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teverton1 Donating Member (23 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-08 03:39 PM
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The Best Schools Produce the Dumbest Individuals...
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amdezurik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-08 03:40 PM
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1. OK, no need to keep spamming this stuff
we get that you don't like school...
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aikoaiko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-08 04:02 PM
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5. interestingly, you and I agree
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YvonneCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-08 05:17 PM
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15. Public school...
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-08 03:43 PM
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2. George W. Bush, Yale '68
Q.E.D.

Signed,
K-A
Y'85, cum laude (which Boosh can't even spell, let alone achieve :dunce: )
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amdezurik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-08 05:35 PM
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16. or pronounce...
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-08 03:45 PM
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3. Yeah, too many schools look down on independent thought.
The act of plagiarism, for example.
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-08 04:02 PM
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6. Compulsory education ends after high school..
The cartoon is about primary and secondary school, not colleges or universities.

And independent thought in primary and secondary school will get you in hot water very quickly.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-08 04:09 PM
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7. Those poor, poor students.
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-08 04:15 PM
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10. I gather then that you think our primary and secondary schools do a good job
Of teaching independent thinking?

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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-08 04:22 PM
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11. I think a lot of people whine about independent thinking...
when really they're just lazy thinkers.
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-08 10:47 PM
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18. The "follow the herd" mentality is rampant among humans..
There is a Japanese aphorism, the nail that sticks up gets hammered down.

Pretty much what a great deal of schooling is all about.

I'm one of those people who has a hard time just memorizing stuff, if I understand something I remember it very well, rote memorization just doesn't work for me.

I doubt I'm alone in this.

Ever read "Lies My Teacher Told Me"?



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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 01:14 PM
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21. There's no such thing as "independent algebra."
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 01:37 PM
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24. Most what I've learned in my life was learned in a library, not a classroom.
I think students should be able to work independently in a library situation the full day, with very little regimented instruction. I think encouraging one's curiosity is the only way to produce the kind of individuals society needs.
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amdezurik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-08 05:39 PM
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17. such as it has always been
and if you think it is any better in private schools, you are sadly mistaken. I just think his target is a bit mushly, he seems to be blaming the teachers instead of the parents and local school boards who deseve it IMHO.
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-08 10:51 PM
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19. Public or private, compulsory education is compulsory education..
Obviously schools and teachers differ and some are far more inclined to teach via rote memorization than others, this is true both in private and public schools.

Where I live we have a great many private schools, the great majority of which are "Christian Academies", very little independent thinking goes on in those places as a general rule.

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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 01:21 PM
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22. it's a broad brush but it does make a point
and of course not all schools, public or private are that way. My son's schools were dinky village Vermont schools and there was a lot of respect for individual expression and opinion. In his HS sophmore history class, "A Peoples' History" was required reading.
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-08 04:01 PM
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4. How many of these are you going to post?
n/t
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ipfilter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-08 04:09 PM
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8. Is this a Chick Tract? nt
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TheFriendlyAnarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-08 04:23 PM
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12. Unlikely. They would probably support the schools.
As much as I agree with the poster that our educational system is a wreck, I think that's enough for today. Next time consolidate the comics so we can have a discussion in one place without spamming up the board.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-08 04:31 PM
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13. You facist!
Why are you opressing independent threads?
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-08 04:10 PM
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9. Spamming is against DU rules
School teaches you to read and follow instructions, you know.
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pleah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-08 05:02 PM
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14. I sent this one to my son.
I thought it was pretty good.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-08 10:53 PM
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20. How does teaching math, chemestry, and physics cause people to uphold the status quo?
:shrug:
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 01:32 PM
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23. Even in IB-X physics (most advanced physics at HS level in Denver), the kids were robots.
Edited on Thu Dec-11-08 01:32 PM by originalpckelly
I was put in there because there were to few AP kids in interested in physics. I've never met more individuals who were totally devoid of original thought in my existence. They were so filled full of information, they could tell you what happened on a particular date in history, but they never were capable of thinking about that date and what it really meant. The whole educational system of this country is based upon knowing facts, not how to independently analyze those facts to determine what information really means. There is very little use in knowing the rules of English grammar perfectly, if what you write is devoid of actual thought.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 02:35 PM
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25. What does that have to do with physics?
:shrug:
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Bill McBlueState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 02:52 PM
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26. think about this, though
You seem to want people to be able to "independently analyze those facts to determine what information really means." Note that if you're going to independently analyze the facts, you first need to acquire an excellent understanding of the facts.

On all sorts of topics, too many people like to jump right into the analysis without first working hard on the understanding.
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