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JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 10:10 AM
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Franken vs. Coleman not Going to Be Decided Soon
Here is a good summation of all the number confusion:

While all but one precinct in Minnesota is done recounting the ballots from the Minnesota Senate race, the final counting is far from finished. Unfortunately the mainstream media has had a difficult time staying on top of this story and reporting it correctly. Some confusion among the general public, who only read the news, is understandable. It is however appalling for the mainstream media, whose job it is to understand and report on the news, to get it so wrong so much of the time.

The Pioneer Press leads with a headline, "Senate recount ends amid many questions". That of course isn't entirely accurate because there are still 1000's of ballots yet to be counted. The Seattle Times puts out the headline, "Hand recount ends; Coleman still leads". Also not entirely accurate because the State Canvassing board will count thousands of ballots by hand in the coming weeks. The Washington Post states, "Recount Ends in Minnesota Senate Race". Bloomberg put out a very misleading article stating that, "Republican Norm Coleman holds a 687- vote lead over Democrat Al Franken in a US Senate race in Minnesota as a month-long recount nears its end." How these media outlets came up the 687 number is discussed in detail below. The New York Times was a little better in running the following headline, "Result Is Still Uncertain After Minnesota Recount" but even they used the incorrect 687 vote lead number.

Here are the facts. All 87 counties in Minnesota have completed work recounting ballots. All but one precinct is reporting on the Minnesota Secretary of State website. That remaining precinct is not reporting any of the just over 2000 ballots because 133 ballots were found to be missing at the end of last week. This was determined by matching the voter rolls on election day with the number of ballots that were recounted. Originally it was thought that the discrepancy was due to some ballots being counted twice on election night. That was quickly debunked by a number of people including Nate Silver of and the election officials a few hours later recanted their original explanation and stated publicly that their records did in fact indicate that 133 ballots had gone missing. This was yet another victory for Minnesota's election system where there are so many different paper trails to create all the checks and balances for verifying the correct number of ballots that were cast on election day...

If we remove the confounding issue of the imbalance of ballot challenges one can state that Norm Coleman's lead is now only 97 votes over Al Franken.

Our projections, which are be described below, show that Norm Coleman has an approximate 76 vote lead on Al Franken with thousands of challenged ballots yet to be counted. Our methodology estimated pure ballot pickups without the confounding issue of ballot challenges and subtracted the total changes from the starting point of a 215 vote advantage for Norm Coleman. The list below shows the following ballot gains for Al Franken (AF) or for Norm Coleman (NC) in the following counties. This analysis was done last week and these numbers are noted. Now that all the counting is done the new column shows the final vote gains by county for Al Franken and Norm Coleman. The majority of the counties, where only a net gain of one or two votes for either candidate, are not shown.

County, Vote gain on 12/02 , Final Vote gain on 12/05
AF = Al Franken
NC = Norm Coleman

Lac Qui Parie, +5 (NC)
Becker +22 (NC)
Filmore +10 (AF)
St. Louis +43 (AF)
Ramsey +48 (AF), +82 (AF)
Anoka +5 (NC)
Carlton +4 (AF)
Pine +7 (AF)
Stearns +4 (AF)
Dakota +10 (NC)
Washington +4 (NC)
Hennepin +31 (AF), +82 (AF)
Blue Earth +2 (NC)
Polk +5 (AF)
Dodge +1 (AF), +3 (AF)
Jackson +13 (NC)
Carver +3 (NC)
Rock NA, +2 (AF)
Winona NA, +4 (NC)
Le Sueur +6 (NC)
Scott NA, +9 (NC)
Wright NA, +20 (NC)

Gains for Al Franken in Hennepin and Ramsey counties in the last few days helped narrow the gap from our previous estimate of 115 vote advantage for Coleman to now a 76 vote advantage for Coleman. This of course does not take into account the outcome of the over 6000 challenged ballots that will be counted by the State Canvassing board and the potential of having incorrectly rejected absentee ballots also counted...

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MarjorieG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 10:21 AM
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1. Are those absentee ballots rejected in error getting counted?
Not any different than voters intent being reversed, or considered the first time, by recount. Easier than a revote.
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qb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 11:31 AM
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2. That hasn't been decided yet. SOS has ordered rejected absentee ballots be sorted according to
reason for rejection.
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hendo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 11:52 AM
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3. They could always settle this Fox Network style
Celebrity boxing. Franken could take him.
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