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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-08 02:59 PM
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Right-wing revisionist history: George Will says the New Deal didn't work.....
from ThinkProgress:



George Will: The First New Deal Didnt Work

Economists on both the left and right broadly agree that the need for stimulative government spending is necessary to prevent a further collapse of the global economic system just as the New Deal and the deficit spending of World War II restored the health of the global economy in the last century.

This morning on ABCs This Week, conservative columnist George Will echoed the false right-wing meme that FDRs New Deal policies made the Depression worse:

Before we go into a new New Deal, can we just acknowledge that the first New Deal didnt work?


Watch it: http://thinkprogress.org/2008/11/23/will-new-deal /


As Nobel-laureate Paul Krugman wrote recently in the New York Times, Theres a whole intellectual industry, mainly operating out of right-wing think tanks, devoted to propagating the idea that F.D.R. actually made the Depression worse. So its important to know that most of what you hear along those lines is based on deliberate misrepresentation of the facts. The New Deal brought real relief to most Americans.

Krugman observed that the true short-comings of the New Deal policies resulted from the fact that they were not bold enough over the short-term:

The truth is that the New Deal wasnt as successful in the short run as it was in the long run. And the reason for F.D.R.s limited short-run success, which almost undid his whole program, was the fact that his economic policies were too cautious. ()

In short, Mr. Obamas chances of leading a new New Deal depend largely on whether his short-run economic plans are sufficiently bold. Progressives can only hope that he has the necessary audacity.


Brad DeLong offers this chart to emphasize the value of the New Deal: http://thinkprogress.org/2008/11/23/will-new-deal /




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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-08 03:02 PM
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1. George Will can go suck a doorknob.
The New Deal worked for many, many people. My own family tree included.

The GOP and far-Right pundits are pumping this anti-FDR / anti-New Deal meme at exactly the time another such program is urgently needed.

Obama has won this argument before it has even begun.
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provis99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-08 03:06 PM
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4. George Will can suck a scuffed, used doorknob.
He's been irrelevant since Bush '41. I can't figure out why he even gets tv airtime. He's William Buckley without any brains or class.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-08 03:09 PM
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9. As to your proposed amendments of "scuffed" and "used,"
I'm very cool with both.

Perhaps it might even be a latrine doorknob, as long as we're offering modifications.
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Ishoutandscream2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-08 03:05 PM
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2. George Will better be glad my grandpa is dead
Grandpa would have kicked his ass. FDR was a God to my grandpa.
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mucifer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-08 03:05 PM
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3. The only thing that is gonna work is giving more money to rich people and screw the poor.
don't you guys know anything? :sarcasm:
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-08 05:08 PM
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20. self-delete
Edited on Sun Nov-23-08 05:09 PM by pnwmom
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democracy1st Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-08 03:06 PM
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5. 2 many dayum conservatives on Sunday morning
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-08 03:07 PM
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6. It's funny when people keep talking after getting completely pwned....
And continuing on hoping that no-one will notice how bad the carnage was.
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ben_meyers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-08 03:07 PM
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7. You may want to read the entire Krugman article
Edited on Sun Nov-23-08 03:12 PM by ben_meyers
And FDR wasn't just reluctant to pursue an all-out fiscal expansion - he was eager to return to conservative budget principles. That eagerness almost destroyed his legacy. After winning a smashing election victory in 1936, the Roosevelt administration cut spending and raised taxes, precipitating an economic relapse that drove the unemployment rate back into double digits and led to a major defeat in the 1938 midterm elections.

What saved the economy, and the New Deal, was the enormous public works project known as World War II, which finally provided a fiscal stimulus adequate to the economy's needs.

This history offers important lessons for the incoming administration.

http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/11/10/news/edkrugman.p...
I happen to agree with Krugman, in fact I agreed with him before he even wrote this.

Hug your draft age children and grandchildren (male and female to age 46) and hang on for a wild ride.

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gollygee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-08 03:08 PM
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8. I'd never heard this before a few weeks ago
and now I keep hearing it. This is being pushed hard. The right REALLY doesn't want any money going to people who aren't already rich, and will rewrite whatever history they think will help their cause.

Thank goodness they didn't win this election.
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kiranon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-08 03:11 PM
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10. George Will & Sarah Palin separated at birth.
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Chulanowa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-08 03:11 PM
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11. Oh, this is hardly new
The New Deal didn't work
Wilson was nothing but a filthy racist
The Nazis were left-wing
Reagan rescued the hostages
Kennedy made up the story of him rescuing a half-drowned crewmate
Bush keeps us safe.


Me am good historian!
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-08 03:15 PM
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12. Not bold enough and FDR almost killed the recovery with premature tax cuts.
Yes, he did great things, but he was far from perfect.

IMO, the worst thing he did was to preserve the very institutions that brought about the downfall in the first place. He, in a "we have to look ahead" moment allowed Congress and the people to completely ignore a failed attempt by the parasites to carry out a military coup. It may well have succeeded except for the actions of one of our nation's greatest heroes, Gen. Smedley Butler. Today, hardly anyone even knows this happened.

His cousin, Teddy, was a better leader and a true class traitor.


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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-08 03:28 PM
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13. Yes, the soup lines worked much better...
with 25% unemployment. The WPA and the CCC would not have been needed if we had only put more water in the soup...
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Dragonfli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-08 03:32 PM
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14. Yeah, If Only Hoover Had More Time - All would have Been Much Better
:eyes:
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suston96 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-08 03:36 PM
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15. Got this from the FDR series on the History Channel.......Recorded this week.
Edited on Sun Nov-23-08 03:37 PM by suston96
When FDR took office in 1933, the unemployment rate was 25%. By 1940 - just before we entered WW II, the unemployment rate was 20%.

You decide whether the New Deal was successful.
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Kaleva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-08 03:37 PM
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16. It was WWII that brought the US...
out of the Great Depression. The unemployment rate in early 1941 was about 20% compared to early 1933 when it was around 25%. The New Deal staved off revolution and anarchy.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-08 03:38 PM
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17. It sure worked better than anything called Reaganomics
Living standards were better and the gap between rich and poor was significantly smaller. Fuck George Will.
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ben_meyers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-08 04:43 PM
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19. Now who is being a revisionist?
Edited on Sun Nov-23-08 04:54 PM by ben_meyers
Global economic depression, the middle class in America all but disappeared, one of the hottest decades in recorded history leading to the drought and dust bowl, winds of war in Europe and the far east and you bring up Reagan? Unfortunately George Will is closer to the truth than you may want to believe.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-08 04:13 PM
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18. FDR saw the Depression, first, as a political crisis. Then as an economic one.
Yeah!

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