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madinmaryland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-08 11:17 PM
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Mark Begich is claiming victory of Ted Stevens!!

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/19/us/politics/19cong.html?_r=1&hp

WASHINGTON — Senator Ted Stevens of Alaska, convicted last month on federal ethics charges, lost his bid for a seventh term as final ballots were counted on Tuesday, giving Democrats at least 58 seats in the Senate for the first years of the Obama administration.

With an estimated 2,500 votes still outstanding and other election certification steps still to take place, Mark Begich, the Democratic mayor of Anchorage, had taken a lead of 3,724 votes out of more than 315,000 cast, and he declared victory.

“I am humbled and honored to serve Alaska in the United States Senate,” Mr. Begich said. “It’s been an incredible journey getting to this point, and I appreciate the support and commitment of the thousands of Alaskans who have brought us to this day. I can’t wait to get to work fighting for Alaskan families.”

Mr. Stevens did not immediately concede the race. He could request a recount, but he would have to pay for it if the current vote margins hold.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-08 11:20 PM
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1. 58 With? or without Senator Bernie Sanders? nt
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-08 11:25 PM
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2. with Saunders and Lieberman IIRC
we need Franken and to win in Georgia for the magic 60
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madinmaryland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-08 11:28 PM
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3. Yes it includes LIEberman. Bernie Saunders is always included!
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lapfog_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-08 11:29 PM
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4. 58 with Bernie and Lieberfck.
59 with Franken. 60 with Martin (Georgia runoff).

I think Georgia is a long shot. BUT, if the Dems can keep Lieberfck from voting against them in a filibuster fight, then they only need ONE Repuke to vote with them to finally make progress on an Obama agenda.

One. There are at least 3 or 4 to pick from... and if one plays ball, we probably won't run a strong campaign against them when they come up for re-election (payback).

Still, I'm pretty sure that was the calculation by Obama and the Dem leadership.

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Juche Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-08 11:30 PM
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5. With
We have 56 dem senators plus Sanders & Lieberman.

Supposedly Franken has a good chance of winning in the recount because even though he is behind by 200 votes, democratic voters are more likely to make mistakes on their ballots that are uncovered in hand recounts. If we get Franken that is 59. Get Specter to vote for cloture and we could get EFCA.

On other legislation (healthcare, veterans benefits, min. wage, renewable energy, etc) it shouldn't be too hard to get several GOP senators to side with the democrats. But on EFCA it'll be hard without 58+ democratic senators. Specter was the only one to vote with the dems in 2007 when it was tried last.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-08 11:42 PM
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8. "Democratic voters are more likely to make mistakes...."
Yeah, that's the ticket.
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Juche Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 11:25 AM
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9. Welcome to reality
Democratic voters tend to be more likely to be first time voters, lower income and younger. As a result they make more mistakes on ballots that are uncovered in hand recounts.

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/11/frankens-odds-of-winning-recount-may-be.html

Until now, however, we have been assuming that ballot tabulation errors are equally likely to favor Franken and Coleman -- but this is probably not the case. Why not? There is substantial evidence that undervotes and overvotes are significantly more common among what we might call vulnerable voters -- in particular, minorities, elderly voters, low-income and low-education voters, and first-time voters. A 2001 study for the House Committee on Government Reform, found that undervoted ballots were more than twice as common in minority-heavy, low-income precincts than in predominately white, upper-income precincts -- even when using the relatively reliable, precinct-based optical scanning system that Minnesota uses. (The discrepancies are significantly higher when using less reliable technologies like punch cards.)

Among other groups of vulnerable voters, however, Franken sigificantly outperformed Coleman. Franken led by 15 points among voters making $50,000 or less, while Coleman led by 3 among voters making between $50,000 and $100,000, and by 16 among voters making $100,000 or more. Coleman won white voters by 3 points, but Franken won among minorities by 40 points. And while there is no direct evidence of this in the exit polls, it is likely that Franken performed significantly better than Coleman among first-time voters.

Assume that minorities are 50% more likely than white voters to have undervoted the ballot; this is arguably a conservative assumption. If this is the case, than about 51.0% of reclassified ballots (excluding those cast for third parties) are likely to be resolved in Franken's favor. Alternatively, suppose that voters making $50,000 or less are 50% more likely than wealthier voters to have undervoted the ballot. In this case, 51.3% of reclassified ballots would go to Franken. This might not seem like a big deal, but as you'll see in a moment, it makes a huge amount of difference.

If, over the long run, we expect Franken to win 51% of corrected ballots, his odds of winning the recount may be quite strong -- in fact, he may be the prohibitive favorite depending on the number of recounted ballots:
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alittlelark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-08 11:31 PM
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6. 58 and COUNTING to 60 !!!
Georgia is the only one I'm concerned about.
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StreetKnowledge Donating Member (921 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-08 11:32 PM
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7. WAHOO!
Welcome to the Senate, Mr. Begich. :fistbump:
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