Prop 8 might be a "good thing" after all...

[nadinbrzezinski]

How could you post this? I am hearing many people screaming right now!!!!

Well folks due to prop 8 people have literally taken off to the streets, and this is not just california. It is nation wide

There is more...

People are now calling on the BS from the usual suspects....

Oh and there is more, every advancement in civil rights in this country has required that pounding of feet on pavement

So yes, I am angry that this turd passed, but hey... on the bright side... people have realized that this will take more than just emailing each other.

The fight will be won in the end... but I am sure the Religious Right Nuttery did not expect THIS result.

Oh and yes, the Mormons should now loose all their IRS exempt status... and that is part of the fight. What is comical is that they will scream religious persecution and even civil rights violations, but they crossed that line into politics, so be it.

[villager]

1. My dad was saying the same thing on the phone this morning -- it's like a "Selma" moment...

...for GBLT rights!

[nadinbrzezinski]

3. It is, your dad is right

[EFerrari]

10. Yep. But I hope someone remembers that our local Catholic Archbishop

invited the Mormons into California and that the Knights of Columbus have worked this and worked it.

[nadinbrzezinski]

11. Well in my view both the Mormons and the Church should

loose their tax exempt status

They crossed that line, didn't they?

Of course I'd gladly drop the Jefferson Bible at his office, and remind him of the fact that THIS is a secular state...

[druidity33]

14. it's lose, not loose... nt

[HysteryDiagnosis]

2. If they called Prop 8 a proposal to legalize polygamy and

pedophilia... well, perhaps they would have a different take on the subject.... twits.

http://www.exmormon.org/mormon/mormon216.htm
Polygamy and Mormonism are inseparably entwined. One of the most offensive aspects of Mormon-based polygamy is the rampant practice of taking underage girls as polygamous wives. This is precisely what Brian David Mitchell did when he abducted Elizabeth Smart. In the western United States, there are at least 30,000 people involved in the practice of Mormon-based polygamy. In these polygamous groups, the compulsion for underage girls to marry polygamists--usually men much older than themselves--is a part of everyday life. In these communities, girls as young as 12 or 13 are often married off to priesthood leaders. The most powerful and influential of these priesthood holders have first pick of the girls. Parents of the young girls submit their daughters willingly into these unions with the hope of being blessed by God in their afterlife.

[nadinbrzezinski]

4. But of course, but what they did with 8 was wake up something

in this country that has been asleep for a while

[Voice for Peace]

5. yup.

:fistbump:

[Zombie2]

6. ditto

:hi:

:kick:

[nadinbrzezinski]

8. Yep it is time to say ENOUGH of this shit

:hi:

[lunatica]

7. It also brought a lot of straight people to fight on the side of the gay community

The world found out we're not a racist country and they're going to find out we're not a homophobic one either. I also see this prop 8 as a blessing in disguise. I have complete confidence that the LGBT will get every right everyone else has and the churches will be sent packing out of government. Both outcomes will be good. And both will make us a better country.

[nadinbrzezinski]

9. Yep, after all when I am told that this marriages are a threat to

ahem the traditional marriage... I usually go

Exactly how?

Shuts them up...

And I have a nice wedding band in my finger...

We joke at home about it... but it is dead serious

[lunatica]

12. The only threat to my marriage was my lousy husband

That 'threat' argument is totally groundless, totally idiotic and totally bizarre. Idiots blathering...

It's time to up the intelligence quotient in this country. It went dangerously low with Bush because he let the church in to run the government. If we kick the church out that'll allow the intelligent thinking back in.

edited to add the last part

[nadinbrzezinski]

13. It is fear based

and sadly it works

[lunatica]

16. Religion is fear based

People do things that are irrational because they fear the punishment they might get from God. The hell fire and brimstone sermons give children terrifying nightmares and the fear stays with them for life. Religions based on that angry white man becoming enraged are a horrid form of abuse.

I've known religious people who have nothing against gays, but they feel they have to reject them because someone told them God says they have to. Or else....

[jhrobbins]

15. Are you sure it wasn't me and my partner?-we can be very intimidating-

NOT. (Do people still say NOT or is that over proving how hopelessly I am out of the contemporary loop)

[sutz12]

17. Well, the backlash has been rather interesting...

Religious overreach.

It's all so mean spirited, too. They don't see it that way, but it is our job to make them see how evil and misdirected their efforts are.

[AntiFascist]

18. I hope Barney Frank gets the message...

he has said that GLBT people should not waste their time yelling at buildings, that it would be better if we have direct dialogs with people. Well, this is our dialog, the message is deafening, and I can gladly tell you that there are a LOT of straight people out there marching with us!

[Bluenorthwest]

19. Barney is rich and powerful

even in the GLBT world, such divides keep folk like Barney from understanding what the real world is like. He lives in Congressland, where all truth is subject to protocol and formality. If he has a greivence, it goes to the top, at once. He picks up the phone. He's got zero in common with me, really.

[mondo joe]

21. I don't think that's it. Barney is just at a different end of the spectrum. But there's

a part for all of us to play, including Barney.

[RoyGBiv]

20. It is said ...

... and there is much evidence in support of it ... that the effort to end slavery did not gather a full head of steam until the passage of the Fugitive Slave Act of 1850 and the Dred Scott decision, both of which ignited massive protests of varying kinds.

It is also said, with much to support it, that the effort to overturn Plessy vs. Furgeson (both de jure and de facto) began with a concerted effort to educate and create teams of lawyers with a singular purpose and who later were leaders in attacking the legal system itself and organizing massive protests that were more than marches in a park.

[madmadmad]

22. though dismayed at the passing of prop 8, i don't know that i disagree with you

i know it got me off my butt, and into taking action! i was very complacent about this issue beofre it passed- i thought that time was on our side and people would eventually see the light. the passage of prop 8 woke me to just how dangerous my apathy was.

this is definitely a watershed moment in gay civil rights history- look how much changed just from dozens of angry queens throwing bottles in the stonewall riots? well, this time it was gay people AND straight people, by the thousands all across the nation. just imagine the imapct- stonewall x 1000!

the situation is brought to light in a new way for the public at large. while some will react negatively, most will not. it;s a bit like the last few elections, most people's minds were made up, so to influence the vote you had to gain the undecideds. well, the people who react negatively already had their minds made up, and so did the people marching- but the people who hadn't given the situation much thought will now stand up and take notice, and i think after seeing the tides of humanity in support of gay rights they will break in our favor. a bit like independents originally leaning towards mccain but who voted for obama- do you want to be on the side of cranky old men? or do you want to be part of something new and different? it's obviously the way the wind is blowing anyway, so why not jump on board?

[kaygore]

23. I thought the same thing when about 100,000 of us took to the streets in San Diego

Prop 8 may finally be the nail that we have needed to close the coffin for good on this bigotry!

[Realityhack]

24. I think you may be on to something... (though I disagree on one point)

I think before Prop 8 many people thought the country would just coast in the direction of legalizing gay marriage. A state here and there... then eventually the fed.
Kill it in CA with that huge population, and couple that with so many other bans... and people stop expecting the coast. Then they take action.

My only point of disagreement is this:
"Oh and yes, the Mormons should now loose all their IRS exempt status... and that is part of the fight. What is comical is that they will scream religious persecution and even civil rights violations, but they crossed that line into politics, so be it."
Nope, not at all.
That would be unfounded under the current IRS rules. They commented on an issue not a candidate or party and are free to do so. There is no outright ban on charitable orgs. addressing political issues.
I do not see any grounds to revoke their tax exempt status. Protest sure. But I don't think there exemption is a legitimate issue here. And I don't think modifying the tax code is necessarily a good idea, it could have serious side effects.

[bigwillq]

25. Yeah, but people will always be closet bigots

and if it goes to a vote in other states, I see the same results happening.

We need federal laws in place to protect ALL people. Equality for all in every state.

[tavalon]

26. I've been thinking that for a few days now

That obscenity of a Prop may have inadvertently ignited the fire for equal rights! It was going to happen anyway but this has turned out to be a great accelerator.