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MissMarple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-08 12:58 PM
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Focus on the Family updates its "War on Christmas" evildoers list.
Edited on Sat Nov-15-08 01:05 PM by MissMarple
This is from an article in our local paper, The Gazette. Focus on the Family's antagonistic stance and clueless arrogance regarding other religions celebrating holy days in December is breathtaking, not to mention those who don't observe these holidays at all. I thought this reply from the Gap/Banana Republic/Old Navy people is so thoughtful.

"One corporation that has two companies labeled "Christmas-offensive" and another designated "Christmas-negligent" received the Focus letter but has no plans to alter its holiday advertising.

"We are a diverse global retailer, aware that our customers come from many faith backgrounds," said Melissa Swanson, spokeswoman for San Francisco-based Gap Inc., which owns Gap, Banana Republic and Old Navy. "We honor that by not advertising toward people of any one faith. We want all of our customers to experience a warm and friendly shopping experience."

To see the Focus shopping guide, go to citizenlink.org.

Here are a couple of helpful links:
http://listen.family.org/daily/A000000807.cfm

http://www.citizenlink.org/pdfs/fosi/Attack_on_Christmas_2007.pdf



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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-08 01:00 PM
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1. Thanks for the list, I'll be shopping at the places they boycott.
:hi:
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davefromqueens Donating Member (277 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-08 02:02 PM
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13. great idea
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-08 07:20 PM
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26. LOL! Too funny! n/t
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-08 07:48 PM
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27. *** For those interested in seeing the list, but don't want to click on FOTF ***
... I posted the list on the Truthiness Encyclopedia (here: http://www.wikiality.com/Focus_On_The_Family#War_On_Christmas)

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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-08 02:52 PM
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38. Thanks CW!
:hi:
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MissMarple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-08 03:07 PM
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44. Thanks CW, but the focus site is ever so much fun!
It is soooo high school. ;)
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AndrewP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-08 07:55 PM
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29. LOL. I think I will as well! :)
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Newsjock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-08 01:04 PM
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2. No blacklists and boycotts!
"People have the right to protest, but when you go over the line deciding to send out blacklists and boycotts because you lost, that is wrong; that is intolerable.''

Oh wait...

"... said Frank Schubert, manager of the pro-Proposition 8 campaign"
http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_10978482

I guess it's OK when they do it.

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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-08 01:09 PM
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5. LOL! Their hypocrisy is shameless.
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MissMarple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-08 06:58 PM
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24. The FOF people have no shame. They really think they have an inside track to the Divine.
And they sell it, big time. Except they are laying people off and contracting out some things they used to do in house. Times may not be as good as they think they deserve.
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Spectral Music Donating Member (349 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-08 01:05 PM
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3. They want a boycott in a bad economic time for retailers?
That's mighty Christian of them.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-08 01:18 PM
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7. Word
And welcome to DU!
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Spectral Music Donating Member (349 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-08 02:00 PM
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12. Thanks.
:)
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MissMarple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-08 01:08 PM
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4. They do say in the article that this isn't a "boycott" per se. Ah huh.
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11 Bravo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-08 01:16 PM
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6. I trust they're going after that damned "secular progressive" Bill O'Reilly.
It was just a few short months ago that he was advertising "Holiday tree ornaments" on his web site. The bastard is clearly waging a "War on Christmas".
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47of74 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-08 01:37 PM
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10. He lost that war in his own building
Bill-O-The-Clown lost that war in his own building.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22425001/vp/27652394#27652394
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11 Bravo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-08 02:20 PM
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19. Bwahahahahaha! Thanks for the link, I missed Countdown that night.
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LisaLynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-08 01:24 PM
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8. The US Economy should be on that list ...
We aren't going to have much of a Christmas at my house thanks to it! x(
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-08 01:29 PM
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9. Here's the list.
"Christmas-friendly" retailers prominent acknowledgment of "Christmas"
Cabela's
Crate&Barrel
Dillard's
Eddie Bauer
JCPenney
Kohl's L.L.Bean
Lands' End
Linens 'n Things
Lowe's
Macy's
Neiman Marcus
Nordstrom
Pier 1 Imports
Sears
The Home Depot
Target
Wal-Mart


"Christmas-negligent" retailers marginalized use of "Christmas"
Barnes & Noble
Bed, Bath & Beyond
Best Buy
Borders
Circuit City
Dick's Sporting Goods
GAP
KB Toys
Kmart
Toys "R" Us



"Christmas-offensive" retailers apparent abandonment of "Christmas"
American Eagle
Banana Republic
Bloomingdale's
Lane Bryant
Old Navy


So what's a Jew to do? Go to an OFFENSIVE RETAILER! Nothing I like better than offending Christians with my straight to hell sinners religion.
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kevinbgoode Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-08 02:08 PM
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15. Apparently FOF contends that retailers must adhere to
"Christian"-ONLY sales - or force shoppers to acknowledge someone else's selected "religious" beliefs in order to trade in the marketplace.

I'm saddened that two of my favorite stores are on their "good" listings. I won't be shopping there any longer.
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HopeFor2006 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-08 02:11 PM
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16. Thank you for the list
Edited on Sat Nov-15-08 02:12 PM by HopeFor2006
I guess I can afford to be a little naughty this Christmas. :)


"Christmas-negligent" retailers marginalized use of "Christmas"
Barnes & Noble
Bed, Bath & Beyond
Best Buy
Borders
Circuit City
Dick's Sporting Goods
GAP
KB Toys
Kmart
Toys "R" Us



"Christmas-offensive" retailers apparent abandonment of "Christmas"
American Eagle
Banana Republic
Bloomingdale's
Lane Bryant
Old Navy
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DangerousRhythm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-08 02:28 PM
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20. Thanks for the list!
Now I know where to do my holiday shopping. :rofl:
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MountainLaurel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-08 02:31 PM
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22. It's kinda funny
That the same folks who scream about taking the religion out of Christmas are having a hissy because retailers aren't using Jesus to sell stuff.

:wtf:
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MissMarple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-08 07:18 PM
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25. THIS IS AN INACCURATE LIST. PLEASE check the link posted below. MM
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-08 08:34 PM
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31. I can't get that link to open, even though I have Adobe.
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MissMarple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 07:13 PM
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39. Erm...it works for me.
:shrug: How about the ones in the original post.
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 07:25 PM
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41. WELL I GOT IT FROM DOBSON"S WEBSITE
and there is no need to shout. I was just trying to help.
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MissMarple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 07:41 PM
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42. Sorry, I didn't mean to shout. They may have different lists.
I think I saw a different one from a another place on their site. They're fundys, they get confused. :)
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-08 07:50 PM
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28. Thank you, I reposted in on Wikiality as well.
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-08 08:39 PM
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34. Here they are. I detect some good old-fashioned market competition here.
The owner of Bath and Body Works is a hard-core repuke and bushco supporter (who happens to be Jewish, too, lol!) outside Columbus, OH. His empire is in direct competition with several of the stores listed as "Ugly" for "censoring" Christmas.

And both Linens N Things and Mrs. Field's cookies have gone out of business, so their "pro-Christmas" stance doesn't seem to have gotten them any helpful divine intervention.

The Good
Mentions "Christmas"

* Amazon.com
* American Eagle Outfitters
* Bath and Body Works
* Bed, Bath and Beyond
* Big Lots
* Dillard's
* Hobby Lobby
* Home Goods
* JC Penny
* JoAnn Fabrics
* KB Toys
* Linen N' Things
* Lord & Taylor
* L.L. Bean
* Macy's
* Micheals
* Mrs. Field's Cookies
* Neiman Marcus
* Sam's Club
* Sears
* Wal-Mart

The Bad
Only token references

* Ace Hardware
* Best Buy
* Bloomingdale's
* Borders
* The Gap
* Kohl's
* Marshalls
* Staples

The Ugly
Censors "Christmas"

* Banana Republic
* Barnes & Noble
* Circuit City
* Dick's Sporting Goods
* Disney Store
* eBay
* Eddie Bauer
* Lane Bryant
* Old Navy
* Petco
* Sports Authority

Mixed Reviews
For varied reasons

* Discovery Channel Store
* Kmart
* Home Depot
* Land's End
* lowe's
* Nordstrom
* Office Max
* PetSmart
* Pier 1
* Target
* Toys-R-Us
* Walgreen's
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lolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-08 09:48 PM
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36. Petco "censors" Christmas?
Why the heck should a pet store mention Christmas?

Are turtles and fish "Christian?"
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bmbmd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 07:21 PM
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40. Lane Bryant?????
Where the heck do they think Mrs. Claus shops?
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-08 08:33 PM
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30. Linens N Things just went out of business - guess their pro-Christmas stance didn't work for them.
This is so ridiculous it really barely bears attention being paid to it. However, I'll try to spend money at the stores that Focus on the Family is targeting just to show solidarity with them. FoF is targeting me, too.
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ladywnch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-08 01:39 PM
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11. well, I think after the Dem convention and the election outcomes
Edited on Sat Nov-15-08 01:40 PM by ladywnch
I think God has pretty well made it clear, he doesn't much care for these folks.

First they asked for torrential downpours for Obama's outdoor stadium acceptance speech. Instead it was a beautiful day.

Then they prayed to have Obama lose......we all know how THAT turned out.

I think God has made his feeling known.......I predict the merchants on the 'Bad' and the 'Ugly' list are going to have great Holiday shopping this year!


PS. had to laugh, Circuit City in on the Good list......yeah, they've filed Chapter 11. I rest my case.
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kevinbgoode Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-08 02:04 PM
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14. Uh...so how come we don't know what FOF's connection is to
"Christianity?"

Seems like no denomination claims them. . .no one elected them....they don't represent any mainstream "church". Sounds like a scam operation to me. Another con-artist con-servative organization which produces nothing of substance but uses fear-and-smear to vacuum coins out of the purses of the ignorant.
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HopeFor2006 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-08 02:14 PM
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17. "vacuum coins out of the purses of the ignorant"
Very well said.
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SalmonChantedEvening Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-08 02:15 PM
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18. It's also OK to wish you a Merry STFU too.
I'll be looking to the retailers in orange and yellow first.

Just because they annoy Dobson and those damnable enough to associate with him.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-08 02:29 PM
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21. I hope I'M on the list!!!!
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-08 02:42 PM
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23. How dare those filthy capitalists ignore the "One True Religion"???
Oh ... wait ... those dollars all have "In God We Trust" on them ... I guess it's OK. The cash register is like a Temple, then.

:eyes:

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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-08 08:38 PM
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32. Not one of those businesses is preventing them from celebrating Xmas
What the heck is their problem?
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lolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-08 09:51 PM
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37. They need to look for Jesus in a store
Because they're too lazy to go to church on Sundays?

Because every good Christian knows that Jesus would feel most at home in a Bed Bath N Beyond store.

:shrug:
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VoodooGuru Donating Member (327 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-08 09:32 PM
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35. Oh, I get to laugh at this all over again.
Here's a gem from the LAST time there was a war on Xmas: http://nofishnonuts.blogspot.com/2005/12/sam-seder-declares-war-on-christmas.html

I think we can say that Sam Seder scored a confirmed kill here.
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blue_onyx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 07:48 PM
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43. Oh no...one of my favorites is on the bad list
lol. I go to Kohls for a lot of my clothing. Might shop there even more now that it will piss FOTF off.
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