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Median Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-08 12:37 PM
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Jonah Goldberg - Denying That George Dubya Bush Was A Conservative
Edited on Tue Nov-11-08 01:06 PM by Median Democrat
It is almost amazing to see the self-delusion going on in conservative circles. For example, conservatives cling to Ronald Reagan is this model, yet they ignore that Reagan (like Bush) caused record deficits due to irresponsible tax cuts that were not off-set by spending. Reagan, like Dubya after him, realized that he could win elective office by talking about tax cuts and spending in the abstract without discussing which federal programs should be cut. Everyone wants to cut federal spending. However, if you cut social security, you are a deadman politically.

The intellectual dishonesty of conservative writers like Jonah Goldberg is appalling, particularly since it is based on the lie that Reagan was fiscally responsible. Does Ross Perot ring a bell? Ross Perot became a viable candidate due to Reagan's deficits.

http://www.latimes.com/news/columnists/la-oe-goldberg11-2008nov11,0,6850395.column

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For liberals, this is a settled question. Bush is not merely a conservative, he is the conservative. He is the ur-right-winger, the Platonic ideal of all that is truly Republican.

For some liberals, this is clearly just a tactical pose. Bush is unpopular, so they hope to discredit conservatism by marrying it to Bush, just as Barack Obama succeeded by painting John McCain as a Bush clone. This is the moment, as Obama might say, to permanently block the right-hand fork in the road so the country can only move leftward.

The view on the right is very different, and the debate about the Bush years will largely determine the future of the Republican Party and the conservative movement.

Bush's brand of conservatism was always a controversial innovation on the right. Recall that in 2000 he promised to be a "different kind of Republican," and he kept his word. His partner in passing the No Child Left Behind Act was liberal Massachusetts Sen. Ted Kennedy. Bush's prescription drug benefit -- the largest expansion of entitlements since the Great Society -- was hugely controversial on the right. He signed the McCain-Feingold bill to the dismay of many Republicans who'd spent years denouncing campaign-finance "reform" as an assault on freedom of speech. The fight over his immigration plan nearly tore the conservative movement apart.

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And Bush admitted as much. In an interview with the Weekly Standard's Fred Barnes, Bush explained that he rejected William F. Buckley's brand of anti-government conservatism. Conservatives had to "lead" and to be "activist," he said. In 2003, Bush proclaimed that when "somebody hurts" government has to "move." This wasn't a philosophy of government as much as gooey marketing posing as principle. Ronald Reagan would have spontaneously burst into flames if he'd uttered such sentiments.

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amdezurik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-08 12:39 PM
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1. yeah, just ignore all the money from the GOP
and flowing back to it's donors. That little man behind the curtain (doing gawd knows what to himself) should be ignored...
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-08 12:40 PM
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2. Keep on huffing that Cheeto dust Jonah.
and you'll keep on losing elections.
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-08 12:43 PM
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3. Conservatives are following the text book definition of insanity right now.
And that is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. When will be able to publicly acknowledge that the policies of Reagan, Bush I, and Bush II have fucked us over? They may have been relevant in 1980 but they sure as hell aren't in 2008.
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OwnedByFerrets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-08 12:43 PM
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4. I've never considered him a conservative......he is a NeoCon....
big difference.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-08 12:45 PM
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5. But it's NOT a "lie that Reagan was fiscally irresponsible."
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Median Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-08 01:06 PM
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9. Fixed
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-08 12:55 PM
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6. Conservativism: The God That Cannot Fail
For if a conservative fails, then he must not have been a conservative! It stands to reason in Jonah Goldberg's world, where women wink at him through the teevee and the sky is the most remarkable shade of marmalade orange. 'Tis a pretty place, but silly in the extreme.
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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-08 12:59 PM
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7. I had some douchebag at work pull this shit yesterday.
"Well you know, Bush isn't really a conservative."

I said, "You bet your ass he is! He is the standard-bearer for conservatism in this country, and has led the Republican Party for 8 years. Just because you let a fucking inbred frat-boy fuck up the country don't try to deny him his conservative bona fides."

Man, I am *LOVING* work lately...I've heard so much repuke crap over the years, it's nice to dish it out a little (not that I was that shy previously, but knowing the majority of Americans feel like me is refreshing and liberating).
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-08 01:00 PM
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8. and doughy pantload continues to have nothing to say.... n/t
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BarbaRosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-08 01:53 PM
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10. It crossed my mind,
while watching Grover Norquist (ooouuuccchhh) on c-spin the other day. I seems like every repug newly elected president is the conservative who will save the world; and every outgoing repug president wasn't really a conservative after all.
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ourbluenation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-08 01:54 PM
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11. JOnah Goldgerb is a magnificent fraud who does not now how to tell the truth.
I told him so once, and he posted it his blog. snaps for moi.
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