Religious Right leaders are already rearing their heads in opposition to Obama.

[madfloridian]

There is going to be a battle, and our Democrats are going to have to be firm in their stances against some of these leaders. Our party has tried to be more inclusive, and that is partly a good thing.

But that is not what some of the more outspoken bigoted leaders of the dominionist strain of the religious right desire. They don't want inclusion, they want power and control. They have already started their attacks on Obama, and they will continue.

From PFAW which watches them for us in case we become complacent.

The Right Wing Resurrection

It has been less than twelve hour since the historic election that saw Barack Obama become President-elect of the United States and the Democratic Party widen its margins in the House and Senate, and while we are still months away from them actually taking office, the Religious Right is already warning that their first order to business will be to persecute Christians.

Here's what Tony Perkins has to say.

Tony Perkins: "We are going to see, I think, unprecedented attacks against our faith through measures like the hate crimes legislation to the Employment Non-Discrimination Act," he says. "We're going to see attacks on innocent human life through the Freedom of Choice Act, trying to erase all the gains that have been made in the pro-life movement. And I think even our freedoms are going to come under attack."

That is not Christian love speaking. That is a voice spreading hate toward our President Elect, Barack Obama. Perkins is fearmongering.

Let's hear from Father Pavone. He is the national director of Priests for Life, who has already spoken at the DNC with the members of Democrats for Life, who got to help present their agenda.

"Americans have made a grave mistake in electing Barack Obama to the presidency," Fr. Pavone wrote. "He said during the campaign that he does not know when a human being starts to have human rights. How can one govern from that starting point of ignorance? Governing is about protecting human rights; to do it successfully, you have to know where they come from, and when they begin. The President-elect has already failed that test miserably."

Fr. Pavone sounds a note of defiant confidence, declaring that the pro-life movement is winning in the culture and that "a new chapter of the pro-life movement has just begun. ...We will keep marching toward that pro-life America we seek, and won't stop until we get there."

And let's hear from Phyllis Schlafly.

As for the "conservative movement" that was so badly damaged by President George Bush, Phyllis Schlafly declares that they are already in the process of rebuilding:

"I think we’re going to be looking for new leaders who express conservatism across the board – whether its sovereignty, limited spending, limited government, cuts in spending, cuts in taxes, the social issues – to simply reject these groups who are trying to muscle into the driver’s seat of the Republican Party, such as the multinationals with their ‘free-trade globalism’ agenda ... We have about 30 very good members of Congress who are destined to become good leaders.”

There is an election night special up at God TV. You need to watch it to see that they are not about to give up.

The video is up at Right Wing Watch with some added context.

Because it is my job to watch these things so that you don’t have to, that is exactly what I did and I can say that I have never seen one program that included so many high-profile Religious Right leaders coupled with such egregious nuttiness.

Traditionally, when you see people like James Dobson and Tony Perkins, people like Pat Robertson and “prophetic intercessors” like Cindy Jacobs are nowhere to be found. But in the case of the God TV Election Special, they have all come together to plead with Christians to pray, fast, and above all, vote

"GOD TV's 2008 US Election Special is a passionate call for GOD TV's viewers in America and around the world to pray for the election and to encourage all American believers to exercise their right to vote. The two-hour program features many high-profile Christian leaders such as: Pat Robertson, Founder of CBN; Jay Sekulow, Chief Counsel for the American Center for Law and Justice; Bishop Wellington Boone, Pastor, Father's House Church; Luis Palau, Evangelist; Tony Perkins, President of the Family Research Council; Rick Joyner, Senior Pastor, Morningstar Fellowship Church; Jill Austin, Founder, Master Potter Ministries; John Hagee, Senior Pastor, Cornerstone Church; Cindy Jacobs, Founder, Generals International; Lou Engle, Co-founder of TheCall; Mike Bickle, Director of the International House of Prayer in Kansas City, (IHOP-KC); Harry Jackson, Founder and Chairman of the High Impact Leadership. Coalition (HILC); and Jim Garlow, Senior Pastor of Skyline Wesleyan Church."

Read the names and watch the about 10 minute video. Here is the direct link to You Tube

Tremble at their words, and make sure we now start standing up for those whose rights this brand of Christian wants to take away.

[guitar man]

1. message from GTRMAN to the Religious Right.

SIT DOWN AND STFU!!!

WE'RE TRYING TO FIX THE MESS YOU PEOPLE HAVE MADE OF THIS COUNTRY!!!!!

:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

[Webster Green]

2. That reminds me.....it's time to start the "War on Christmas"..

We're really gonna let 'em have it this year! }(

[madfloridian]

4. It started last month. Here you go.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/2949

[balance_N_all_things]

47. Hmm...

They used to say the world was flat... and many who disagreed
lost their heads for it... eventually, the  truth was proven
that the world is round... first by practice... actually
exploring the possibilities... and then ultimately by viewing
her from space....by backing up and taking a good look at the
whole picture.  

Maybe you should try that.

[Random_Australian]

67. .... ok, I'm confused. How is that even a response to what they are saying?

[ColbertWatcher]

51. Can we please wait for the War on Thanksgiving to be over first?

I hate when people jump to the next war without finishing the current one.

Come on people, one war at a time.

[NRaleighLiberal]

3. I am a Christian, and I feel persecuted by the religious right!

[amdezurik]

8. then you must not ba a "good" christian!

you have to be a pre-packaged moran to count for those folks...

[woodsprite]

5. Hasn't the Religious Right's main objective always been to persecute Christians?

I mean real, true Christians. (Since they are so unchristian themselves)

[Kitty Herder]

23. It does seem that way.

Of course, it's not limited to the true Christians. They like to persecute everybody else, too.

[Rivethead]

6. Why won't these assholes just LEAVE?

They have NOTHING in common with America, or her ideals. These freaks would be much happier in Iran. All they are, is a hideous, destructive and backwards force in this world. Fuck these people, each and every one.

[SammyWinstonJack]

54. !!!

:applause:

[paparush]

7. We should never refer to them as Christrian.

American Taliban
Falwellians
Hysterical Lunatics

They have nothing in common the teachings of the man we call Christ.

BTW- Religion is for people afraid of going to hell. Spirituality is for people who have already been there.

[EFerrari]

11. Pseudo Christian extremists. We have to get 'way better

at framing these hypocrites. We live in a world where Brian Lamb airs
Ralph Reed multiple times in the same weekend. We cannot keep letting them name their own terms. :grr:

[FKA MNChimpH8R]

15. I like Andrew Sullivan's term: "Christianists"

Not sure why, but it seems vaguely derogatory and belittling.

[EFerrari]

16. Yep. Derivative and derisive. n/t

[RedLetterRev]

12. I'm rather partial to

Talibabdist although I don't mind calling them hysterical lunatics. If the sneaker fits...

Hasn't somebody gotten the net after them YET? I have little patience for fools. The last eight years snapped my last available nerve.

[Kitty Herder]

26. Agreed. I like your term, "Falwellians."

It communicates that they are not followers of Christ, but of selfish, power-hungry mortals like Falwell. Of course, Falwell isn't the only one, but he serves well as a poster-child.

[paparush]

27. Indeed he does.

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[RedEarth]

9. Good grief, those people are awful

[Windy]

10. kick nt

[GreenPartyVoter]

13. I am sick of them trying to push their views on me.

[jayfish]

14. Well Lets Give Them Something To Bitch About Then.

Start by removing their tax exemptions as a penalty for their overt involvement in the political process.

Jay

[BlueMomInSanDiego]

46. No kidding

What does it take to get this done? Even in the most blatent cases, it just seems to get ignored. This needs to get fixed ASAP!

[Faux pas]

63. Amen! That should be one of the first things on the new agenda.

Screw 'em all.

[vkkv]

86. Freedom of Religion - FREEDOM FROM RELIGION

NO XTIAN DICTATORS.

TAX THE IGNORANT BASTARDS

[Faux pas]

91. Long gone are the days when the pope ruled the world.

[Snotcicles]

17. Agent Mike says they are aware of moles in their congregations but can't pin point them. nt

[madfloridian]

19. That Agent Mike

Always on top of things. }( Nothing gets by him.

[codjh9]

18. No time to read all of that right now (and it would probably make me ill), but hey from another PFAW

member!

[surrealAmerican]

20. So, this means their faith is based on hatred and discrimination.

"We are going to see, I think, unprecedented attacks against our faith through measures like the hate crimes legislation to the Employment Non-Discrimination Act,"

[hobbit709]

21. If they want persecution

Let's start by feeding them to the lions.

[SemperEadem]

74. I vote for dipping them in wax and lighting the city at night..

[Cults4Bush]

22. No worries about LGBT Marriage though, I bet.

They only seem to be worried about crimes for using us a punching bag.

[scytherius]

24. I hope they do as it will only marginalize them firther. n/t

n/t

[Norrin Radd]

25. They are anti-American, not supporting our President-Elect in a time of war.

[Swamp Rat]

28. We will defeat the Taliban both abroad and at home.

[girl gone mad]

29. It sounds like their whole religion is just about hating gays. n/t

[LaurenG]

30. They are delusional - who cares what they believe, I won' t be attacking any of their beliefs

and as long as they don't try to force me to believe their version of god we'll be fine. The problem is that like children they use others to scapegoat their own failures, and then play the fear, hate and doom card to try and garner attention. How sad that these are 'grownups.'

[Arugula Latte]

31. Phyllis Schlafly is still alive?

[agentS]

81. Yes, vampires are immortal, it seems

Some one call Blade and tell him he missed one.

[VPStoltz]

32. What a bunch of morons...

Obama, much to my chagrin, supports faith-based federal programs. His only caveat now would be that they can't discriminate based on which religion the employee belongs to. I wonder if any of these idiots has ever read the Bible.

[SoCalDem]

33. remedy? simple

Congress needs to address and FIX the media mess we are in and to make "tv-churches" pay their fair share of taxes too, from all that free money they get..

religious tax exemption has been bastardized beyonjd all recognition. It was instituted because once upon a time small churches had a hard time making it..that's no longer the case.. These vast TV ministries are BUSINESSES...BIG businesses..and they are hiding BILLIONS behind the tax exemption

[sasquatch]

34. Gee, I'm absolutely shocked by this

:sarcasm:

[old mark]

35. Frank Pavone was the priest involved with Terri Schaivo's parents

in the suit against her husband. Pavone vilified the husband, insinuating he was responsible for his wife's comatose condition, and stating that the husband wanted Teri dead so he could be with his girlfriend.
Pavone is a publicity hungry amoral bastard who happens to be a catholic priest.


mark

[loudsue]

36. There needs to be a NEW Televangelical network dedicated to

REAL Christians, and preaching the REAL and LIBERAL message of the Bible. (That's just about the only message there is in the teachings of Jesus, himself...it's a liberal message.)

It's as if Fox news has bought up all the religious channels (which, of course, the bush administration appointed FCC has allowed ONLY the fox news religions to be broadcast), and it's time there was some BALANCE.

The religious right are NOT pro-life. They are HATE LIFE, anti-free choice, pro forced pregnancy. I'm so sick of hearing them call themselves pro life. They are nothing of the kind.

[madfloridian]

37. You are right on all you said..

Real Christians don't act like that. Only the ones who are power hungry act like that.

[rasputin1952]

38. Funny how these people say that God puts people in power

over nations when it's an R, but a D doesn't count in the equation. Fools all.

These people are delusional, and if there is a hell, they will be footstools at the feet of satan...:D

[L0oniX]

39. These fucks need to be shut down. The IRS needs to remove their tax exemption.

These people are the definition of "nut job".

[newtothegame]

40. I hope madfloridian becomes happyfloridian after this election :)

These posts are always so depressing!!

[salguine]

41. I have a suggestion.

I'm not kidding myself that there are a substantial number of people out there who are livid that someone who isn't white is going to be President come january. Because we've already seen how these extremist nutcases already have a lot of unbalanced racist people in their ranks, and because they're now seeing everything they believe in collapsing like a house of cards, and people in that position often get crazy, might I suggest that people consider making a donation to the Southern Poverty Law Center?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Poverty_Law_Center

http://www.splcenter.org/index.jsp

[puebloknot]

42. Yes. They're going to have their work cut out for them ...

... from this day forward.

Law! What a concept!

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[madfloridian]

44. No no no....

I will not be tolerant toward bigots who are already trying to limit the rights of certain groups.

They do not practice tolerance, they practice division and anger.

Watch the video, read what I posted.

Don't BS me. Doesn't work because I am Christian and know a real one when I see one.

[balance_N_all_things]

50. I would be interested....

In YOUR definition of what a "christian" is, as well
as what YOU believe is "biblical".  Not that I'm
agreeing or disagreeing with your opinion of the
aforementioned groups.  I don't side with them either... I am
simply interested in finding out if you and I are on the same
page or not.

[madfloridian]

57. I not only don't side with them, I find them despicable and judgemental

I think a person's relationship with God should be a personal thing. That is what the Southern Baptists believed when I grew up there.

Now they want to ram their beliefs into everyone's personal lives.

What I believe is that the Bible is so not literal...if it were we would all be poking out each other's eyeballs if we were insulted. We would not be eating seafood.

I could go on and on. The Bible is a collection of writings from good men, some more hard-nosed than others.....like the apostle Paul who hated women.

[Cerridwen]

45. I am intolerant of people who attempt to codify their intolerance into

our law.

That would be the difference.

They are trying to re-write, un-write, and re-define our legal system and laws based on their narrow interpretation of a version of a Bible.

BTW, welcome to DU.

[Name removed]

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[donco6]

59. They want to stone me to death.

How am I to be tolerant of that? By standing still so they can hit me easier?

[Random_Australian]

60. Wait, so when I say they should not be allowed to force their views on others,

I don't think I'm being intolerant.

I bear them no ill will, but as far as I am concerned, I have seen no evidence that their civil liberties have been infringed - simply that they love to claim they are persecuted.

I don't feel insulted or hurt by the religious right at all. Nor does my opinion of them change simply because others dislike them. I do, however, think that the beliefs of the religious right (see esp. prop 8) are at times incompatible with the standards we adhere to as a society, and for this reason I oppose their attempts to change the rules of society to fit their standards.

In other words, I have a reasonable case for opposing everything noted as bad in the OP.

Furthermore, I do believe it is reasonable to call "We are going to see, I think, unprecedented attacks against our faith through measures like the hate crimes legislation to the Employment Non-Discrimination Act," 'fucking bullshit' or 'not, in fact an infringement of their civil liberties, and to claim that they are being persecuted in the event they cannot infringe upon the rights of others'

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

49. You will not be persecuted, Christian Right......

.....you will be ignored, as you should be. Your revolution is now over.

[balance_N_all_things]

52. actually...

Christians WILL be persecuted.  And there is no better proof
of the power something has than the degree to which it IS
persecuted.  It's going to get interesting.  See, the thing
about ignoring something powerless, as you seem to be
suggesting... is that there is no reason to pay attention to
it, like ignoring a button that falls on the ground, it will
lay there, be covered up by dirt, rain, and eventually no one
will ever know it was there.  However, when you ignore
something WITH life in it... like, oh, I dunno, how about a
common acorn.... it falls to the ground, no one pays attention
and it gets covered up with dirt and rain and it begins to
grow roots, and spread... and eventually, you have a tree that
yields more and more acorns.  THAT is the reason Christians
are persecuted.  They CANNOT be ignored.  Not people who are
simply religious... you're right... THEY CAN be ignored.  THEY
have no power.  But those who are truly followers of Christ...
many of them have and will give their very lives.  Just wait. 

[Random_Australian]

61. Right, tortuous analagies aside, please give us some examples of ways you think

they will be persecuted. Please note the previous poster implied that their voting bloc no longer carried enough power to influence society, not that they should be deprived of voting rights or anything.

I am quite curious as to how you think christians will be persecuted.

[SemperEadem]

75. How can you be persecuted as a xtian when the nation has been a xtian nation for the past 232 years?

these xtians don't know the meaning of persecution. No one in this country has been burned at the stake for being the wrong flavor of xtian. There are no heresy laws in this country. The church is not one with the state through the constitution. Give me a break!

The first xtians were persecuted--and these present day assholes would never die for their beliefs or faith. They'd rather whine til they make everyone sick of them.

[SemperEadem]

83. scratch that---this nation has been a xtian nation, because it was not founded as one

the Treaty of Tripoli spells that out quite clearly.

What I meant to say was that it has been run by those of the protestant xtian faith since 1776--and they are the ones who dished out the lion's share of persecutions in this country, be it to the first indigenous Americans or the enslaved Africans.

[RainDog]

76. in fact, hysterical religious movements in the U.S. are cyclical

you can stick to your mythologizing (here and in your church) but the truth is that this current movement is like a lot of fear-based religious movements in American history and in other places around the world that also call themselves fundamentalist.

that's the way, the truth and the life of ALL protestant religion, no matter if you think yours is special, in the history of American life.

Some parts of those movements have been good. some have been bad.

1st "awakening" - in response to entrenched political power among "mainline" churches

- allowed people without "proof" of conversion into congregations and increased their numbers.
-brought protestantism to slaves in the south
-strengthened smaller church denoms like baptists and methodists, but had no impact on others.

2nd Great Awakening - A movement against social injustice

-abolition
-women's rights
-temperance (in part b/c of Irish immigrants)

3rd Great Awakening

- an apocalyptic millennial movement for some
-a social justice/progressive politics for others (Tolstoy's Christianity Movement too)
-new christian religious groups like the Christian Scientists.

4th Great Awakening

-Jesus movement as a subset of the hippie movement
-rise of pentacostals
-fall in mainline church support

All in all I'd say that the one constant that is carried over from movement to movement is social justice - and that is a move toward greater social justice, not less.

With this in mind, I'd say the now/next generation of the religious awakening is going to be a green movement. Eco-christianity.

Of course the haters are always around in one form or another, and sometimes in greater numbers. At this moment in history, the numbers of haters will decline and the children of the abortion warriors will instead work to be "stewards" of the earth.

[KamaAina]

53. God TV?

:wtf:

[madfloridian]

78. Yes. It is like You Tube.

You need to watch the video at the link above because 2 hours would be unbearable, while 10 minutes is sort of bearable.

[fascisthunter]

56. Only a Misguided Fanatic Would Claim God was on their Side

I have a bit of knowledge in religion, and know that the Christian Bible states, we are all God's children, therefore, that God doesn't pick sides. To claim so is against His will.

I'm an athiest and I KNOW more than they do about their Bible. For me there is no motivation to twist it for political means nor do I have their deep seated hatred of all others(God's children).

When you judge... you claim to BE GOD!

Oh... and there's the secular, "Separation of Church and State" written within our Constitution.

[Joe Bacon]

58. Tax the churches

Imagine the tax cut we could give to the working poor if these parasites were taken off of welfare!

[Fire Walk With Me]

62. Who would Jesus nuke?

I have no desire to learn who they imagine Jesus would nuke. Anyone who believes the Bible should realize that with those powers, Jesus could have eliminated anyone he disagreed with. And didn't. And then talked about love or something. Bully Christians just can't seem to get this stuff into their heads.

I'm hardly a poster boy for the Golden Rule, but at least I get that much.

[verdalaven]

64. These are the Pharisees

The false prophets that the sheep follow so willingly and they don't even see that they are being lead astray by liars, money changers and idolaters.

Sorry to wax biblical, but jeez, these people (the rw talking heads) are frickin exasperating.


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[Elidor]

65. “I think even our freedoms are going to come under attack.”

Tony Perkins: "We are going to see, I think, unprecedented attacks against our faith through measures like the hate crimes legislation to the Employment Non-Discrimination Act," he says. "We're going to see attacks on innocent human life through the Freedom of Choice Act, trying to erase all the gains that have been made in the pro-life movement. And I think even our freedoms are going to come under attack."

Notice how he co-opts the language of the left here to paint himself as the victim. Worse – he’s the victim of hate crime legislation. His freedoms? Freedom to hang someone up on a fence on a lonely prairie and leave him to die? Freedom to blow up an abortion clinic? This is sick.

Projection and dishonest framing. The two classic behaviors of the republicans – and this applies to voter fraud, election theft, working the media and shutting down dissent – is not only to accuse democrats of doing precisely what they (the republicans) are doing (or would do if only they could get away with it), but also to co-opt progressive language and turn it on its head. Clean Skies, No Child, etcetera. Intelligent Design is a similar effort.

Whew! And I haven't even gotten to the rest of your post yet. That first paragraph really knocked me for a loop. Kick and rec as always.

[muntrv]

66. Father Pavone, start that pro-life march in Iraq.

[KakistocracyHater]

68. never mind all the rights we lost under Bush

the only way to deal with those who never let reality interfere with their decisions is to shut them out, block them out-because their words are HIGHLY dangerous & DO incite violence, backstabbing, rumor-mongoring, & endless mindless hate.

[Irishonly]

69. I Wish Those Idiots Would Go Away

I would settle for life long laryngitis too. Open mouths no words would come out.

[kevinbgoode]

70. The first order of business is to persecute "Christians?"

Oh well, I don't think Perkins has anything to worry about. I hardly doubt - if Americans were given the right to vote on his "Christianity" - that he'd pass muster. There's something about that tendancy to bear false witness with such blatant intent that kind of ruins any claim to being "Christian.

Too bad, wingnut dominionists. . .try pulling your deception on someone else.

[pleah]

71. I wish these people would slither back into

the dark pits they crawled out of.

[jakefrep]

72. If these people had brains....

they would have realized that the last two elections have been a repudiation of their ignorant culture war bullshit.

If they think that America will be so hostile to "Christians" under Obama, maybe they should go live in Iran for a while, and see how that whole Christian thing works out for them there.

[Shallah Kali]

79. It just proves to them their martyr complex is justified, that the devil IS out to get 'em

& is working through willing and unknowing pawns on the left. They ARE this paranoid.

[Shallah Kali]

82. It just proves to them their martyr complex is justified, that the devil IS out to get 'em

& is working through willing and unknowing pawns on the left. They ARE this paranoid.

[AnnieBW]

73. You're All Irrelevant Now

So STFU and go away, or you'll be taxed!

[amb123]

77. My Answer to the Christian Fascist Pigs was, is and will remain:

NO FREEDOM WITHOUT CHURCH/STATE SEPARATION!

[opihimoimoi]

80. They are in a Class of EXPLOITORS.....Thats what they do...exploit

They are Control Freaks....very Negative...stay away

[ravencalling]

84. I am an agnostic who admires the liberal Jesus

Show me where there is justification for a conservative Jesus or how any of his teachings jive with the frenzied hatred of the far right.

What these people have chosen to believe in is so far divorced from the compassion that their own teachings hold sacred.

But then, the teachings of peace have been forgotten over and over again throughout history in order to commit the most atrocious crimes against both humanity and our fellow creatures on this planet and to the planet itself, all in the name of the one who would naturally bring the lamb into the heart of any who dared listen to his message.

Therefore using the logic of faith, if there is such a thing, these people do NOT have Jesus in their hearts. They do not have Jesus in their minds. They are not and never will be Christian.

Their religion, is a religion of hate. Their religion is not Christian. Christianity is crucified again through their use of it's name for their despicable actions and beliefs.

[madfloridian]

85. You make good points.

They have such bigotry...and that is not any part of who Jesus was.

[workinclasszero]

87. Instead of worrying about President Obama the wing-nuts better watch their backs

Because their fellow rethuglicans are desperately trying to rid the party of the know-nothing Palinites!:rofl:

[FKA MNChimpH8R]

88. Christianist lemmings going over the cliff

Go ahead - I dare you - make yourself and your party irrelevant for a generation or two. Demographics and common sense are arrayed against you. Charge!

[VoodooGuru]

89. The worst of them are successful because they operate out of the public eye.

And we can fight it with consciousness-raising and education. Expose them whenever possible, bring out more of their worst statements like happened with John Hagee, and let the people know what nutcases they really are. That's how you take away their power - by taking away the apathy of the average man.

The Christian Right's modus operandi is not to seek a majority, but to aggressively push their people into positions of authority whenever possible, everything from Congress and state legislatures to local school boards. No office is too small for these people. They know that ideologically they will never be a majority. They also know that no matter how small their movement is, if a sleeping public lets them get away with it, they'll succeed.

So root them out, wherever they are.

Last thing. "International House of Prayer"?! Sadly, I know that's not a joke.

[AuntPatsy]

90. Such knowledge encourages myself to begin attending any and all churches

just to find out what messages they are sending out there to the people and find a way to counteract anything that is hateful and or negative and can hurt others...

Honestly, you would hope to believe that if you entered a spiritual place that all you would encounter is a calmness brought about by listening to a message that spoke of peace and love and forgiveness and compassion not, hate your neighbor because he believes different from you...

[madfloridian]

94. Yes, one would expect church to be a peaceful place.

With love and acceptance. It has changed.

[rsweets]

92. Lest we Forget

David Koresh
Jimmy Jones

These are twisted people

[JimboBillyBubbaBob]

93. Defiance

No to Christofascism!!!

[greyseal5]

95. Satanic bastids

We are not beholden to the as$holes. Let's shut them down. Strip them of their tax exempt status and allow them absolutely NO ROLE WHATSOEVER in the political process.

[yellowcanine]

96. I thought only Putin did that head rearing thing.

[yellowcanine]

97. They should be happy because electing a darky should drive up the Rapture Index.

[yellowcanine]

98. Has anyone checked out Falwell's grave for any signs of him rolling over?

It would cause a visible disturbance at the surface with his girth, I would think.