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Fuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-28-08 05:04 PM
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NOW Freepers are worried about voting machines.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2117516/posts



Oh, they decided to look into that NOW. Just came to their attention I guess.

2 posted on Tuesday, October 28, 2008 11:57:32 AM by raptor29



The government of Venezuela owns Smartmatic through some intermediaries.

3 posted on Tuesday, October 28, 2008 11:57:36 AM by marron

>>>The inquiry is focusing on the Venezuelan owners of the software company, the Smartmatic Corporation, and is trying to determine whether the government in Caracas has any control or influence over the firm’s operations,<<<

And the half-life of this investigation after the election of Obama is......

4 posted on Tuesday, October 28, 2008 12:02:48 PM by HardStarboard ("The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule - Mencken knew Obama)



“Oh, they decided to look into that NOW. Just came to their attention I guess.”

We’ll soon get word that they should have the problem solved by the 2012 elections.

5 posted on Tuesday, October 28, 2008 12:05:46 PM by toldyou (Even if the voices aren't real they have some pretty good ideas.)



The whole charade in Florida in 2000 served to convince people that mechanical card readers are flawed, and software voting would be more secure.

Right.

It was a con job.

11 posted on Tuesday, October 28, 2008 12:20:34 PM by marron



It has been known at least, since 2006.

Brand Replies to Smartmatic

Richard Brand sends along the following response in his ongoing debate with Smartmatic:

VENEZUELA INVESTMENT IN VOTING FIRM WAS NO ROUTINE LOAN
In his letter to the editor of The Miami Herald of April 29 <2006>, Jack Blaine, the president of Smartmatic international and Sequoia Voting Systems, asserts that the Venezuelan government held a “28-percent nonpermanent, minority equity position in Bizta via a routine loan” at the time Bizta and Smartmatic were hired to provide electronic voting services for a recall referendum on President Hugo Chavez. To describe the transaction as a “loan” where Venezuela merely held Bizta stock as collateral turns basic principles of corporate finance on their head.

Lenders don’t hold equity positions in debtor companies as collateral to secure their loans, because should the debtor be unable to pay back the loan, then the stock held as collateral is necessarily worthless. Debt gets paid before equity. The only rational reason for the Venezuelan government to hold an equity position in Bizta is to
influence Bizta’s management decisions. This is underscored by the fact that Venezuela chose Omar Montilla, an electronic voting machine expert who worked for Chavez’s 1997 presidential campaign, as its representative on Bizta’s board of directors. Additionally, Bizta’s official Venezuelan corporate registry documents describe the
transaction as an equity sale, and not as a loan.
Bizta’s founders Antonio Mugica and Alfredo Anzola have turned their attention to their other companies, Smartmatic International and its new subsidiary Sequoia Voting Systems. Millions of Americans who use Sequoia voting machines should be deeply concerned about this.

Sincerely,

Richard Brand

12 posted on Tuesday, October 28, 2008 12:22:19 PM by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)

Wrong. If 0bama gets in, any stories of election fraud will be flushed down the memory hole.

Gee, we outsource most of our software development to India. Except for voting machines. THAT goes to the world-renowned tech geniuses of Chavez's Venezuela.

14 posted on Tuesday, October 28, 2008 12:31:32 PM by informavoracious (Oust all incumbents.)



There should be NO foreign interest in anything that has to do the with voting process in the US....EVER. Where it be the voting machines, software, printing of ballots, NOTHING.

17 posted on Tuesday, October 28, 2008 1:11:05 PM by Heff (Half this country is that stupid.)



This might explain the wild-ass, two digit leads the dems felt so confident in crowing about. The sudden, major pullback on those numbers might reflect a DNC/Obama campaign executive decision to use Chavez’s help a little more sparingly and discreetly than they’d intended, now that the NYT has gone and spoiled the surprise.

23 posted on Tuesday, October 28, 2008 5:54:45 PM by Eroteme

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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-28-08 05:06 PM
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1. We are worry-warts, but those guys are paranoid schizophrenics.
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Soup Bean Donating Member (757 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-28-08 05:07 PM
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2. NOW they're worried. Of course they are.
I don't think this election will be close enough to steal, but the dispossessed party always feels cheated. In Oliver Stone's "Nixon", there is a general consensus among Nixon handlers that the election was "stolen fair and square". I think Gore was robbed in 2000, and I think even right wingers almost accept that fact.

Everyone should be afraid of stolen elections.
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Fuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-28-08 05:15 PM
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5. Agreed, but when the 'left' was bringing it up, we were sore losers.
Count all the votes.
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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-28-08 05:08 PM
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3. So they DON'T care that there are actually Diebold machines in at least one state
..that are flipping McCain votes to Obama, but instead want to manufacture some conspiracy about Hugo fucking Chavez??

I don't want to win an election with Diebold any more than I want to lose one that way. Yeah, it would be "poetic justice" and all that, but I'd rather see an overwhelming landslide victory, with every last vote legitimately counted. And I believe we have the numbers to do it.
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-28-08 05:12 PM
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4. This may be the one single issue where we can find common ground.
We know that an accurate count would have just given us 8 years of Democratic leadership. They do not, will not, believe this. FINE. Lets make as sure as humanly possible that all the votes get counted accurately and find out.
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ET Awful Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-28-08 05:15 PM
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6. I love the last one, so apparently he thinks voting machines are responsible for polling
:P
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azurnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-28-08 05:24 PM
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7. This is pure faux manufactured BS
Edited on Tue Oct-28-08 05:24 PM by azurnoir
Just like this weekend there were a rash of McCain sign vandalizing and theft stories in the wake of the B-girl story failure
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