Did you guys know the problem with Bush is that he listened to Reid and Pelosi....

[OneGrassRoot]

too much and caved to their demands?

:eyes:

Wow. Alternate universe time, for sure.

Needless to say, I just got off the phone with a right-wing relative who spouted the typical RW talking points (Powell's endorsement was ALL about race, Obama is the one who made race an issue, his radical liberal beliefs will ruin this country, PALIN is the PERFECT person to lead the country, etc., etc.).

Just wow.

But the kick in the ass was a rather fascinating discussion about politics, religion and theocracy.

Because he is a "true Christian" which, in his literal biblical interpretation view means that he and other "good Christians" must proselytize, he doesn't see how a politician can separate religious views from political actions/governance (he talked about Biden saying he is a good Catholic yet won't impose that on others).

Yet, in the next breath, he says he doesn't want a theocracy.

:shrug:

Whaaaaaaa?

He doesn't believe in separation of church and state and believes The Founders intended this to be a nation governed by Judeo-Christian values.

I think I found my litmus test: if someone believes in a LITERAL interpretation of the bible, that impacts ALL RATIONAL interpretation of anything else, and therefore they want to live in a completely different world than I do. No doubt, all religious types who believe in a LITERAL interpretation of their sacred texts are the same.

No, if they believe in a literal interpretation of texts thousands of years old, interpreted and translated by innumerable humans over the course of time, they need to live somewhere where they can rely on GOD and GOD ONLY to provide them with health and prosperity, without impacting other human beings not of the same belief.

Oh yeah, the real kick in the ass is how these same "fundamental, evangelical Christians" talk about The Word yet refuse to live by it; fuck the poor -- everyone who is in a less-than-wonderful situation is there STRICTLY by choice, including the homeless veterans.

At first he attacked me when I mentioned that one-quarter of the homeless are veterans -- he said I'm listening to John Edwards too much -- but then said, "Even if it were true, they are there by choice and don't have to be there."

Sorry if there are typos and words left out, but these interactions always leave my head spinning and my hands shaking.

Ughhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.....................take me away, Calgon.............

[Tangerine LaBamba]

1. And Reid and Pelosi are simply

Bill Clinton's evil minions.

Your goofball relative clearly never figured out what that pesky Revolutionary War was fought. And clearly, the Constitution isn't anything that enters your relative's consciousness.

This is why we need to improve our educational system.

As for LITERAL, well, I firmly believe in a literal interpretation of MAD magazine, which has as much credibility - maybe more - than the Bible.

Damn Bill Clinton.......................

[OneGrassRoot]

5. Oh, it gets better!!!

Um, let's see....as I take another huge swig of beer to dull my ravaged senses... :hippie:

Here we go:

1. He considers himself a "strict Constitutionalist." Yep, yep.

2. He is a military veteran; I think he's around 60. And, he's a teacher!!! Holy fucking shit.

3. This was the ultimate; he said, "I've never seen anything like how the left hates Bush. I don't remember ANYONE, not one Republican, vilifying Clinton."

That's when I lost it and said, "You have GOT to be fucking kidding me?!"


Yes, I disputed things as much as possible, but after a few of the above type of statements, I realized how very, very, very hopeless it was.

Again, alternate universe.

THANK GOD/GODDESS/MAD Magazine


:evilgrin:

[TygrBright]

7. Yes! The Clenis strikes AGAIN! n/t

[Trajan]

2. Ever since I cast out my own brother and sister from my political universe ...

My head does not spin (much), and my hands do not shake (much) ....

You have to REALLY want to argue with family, if you continue after these episodes ...

I had to say 'no more' .... I don't need that tension for no good reason other than to let them vent on me all the racist right wing rage .... FUCK that ...

I would rather be a hermit than a punching bag, and I have no interest in duking it out with my own family members ...

I had to say 'no more' because they wouldn't stop ...

[OKNancy]

3. John McCain isn't particularly religious is he?

Obama is more "churchy" than McCain IMO.

It's a weird world out there

[bulloney]

11. Obama is very "churchy." He's a radical Christian and a Muslim and Jew doncha know?

[Xipe Totec]

4. How many bills did GWB veto before Pelosi took office?

No vetoes when his party was in power:

Bush makes history - a five-year streak without saying 'no'
By Josh Burek | Staff writer of The Christian Science Monitor

August 16, 2005 WASHINGTON – Like pardons and executive orders, vetoes are among the cherished privileges of the Oval Office. Ike liked them. So did presidents Truman and Cleveland - and both Roosevelts.

But apparently not George W. Bush. In fact, well into the fifth year of his presidency, he has yet to issue a single veto.

http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0816/p01s04-uspo.html

How many after?

110th Congress: 7 vetoes, 1 pocket veto, 8 vetoes total, 4 vetoes overridden.

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0801767.html

Doesn't play well when congress is controlled by the other side.

[OneGrassRoot]

6. Believe me, I know how ridiculous his stance is and how I could have.....

countered every point.

Yet, with these types, it's hopeless. When you see what I added above ("It gets better") you'll see the level of detachment from reality some of us are confronted with.

I share these things for the amusement of those who are blessed to NOT have relatives, neighbors, co-workers, etc., who think like this, and to explain why some of us are indeed losing our MINDS!!!!!!

:crazy:

:silly:

:cry:

:shrug:

:tinfoilhat:

:banghead:

:grr:

:smoke:

:dem:

:bounce:

:woohoo:

:applause:

:toast:

GOBAMA!!!!

[aasleka]

8. if he believes in the bible that literally tell him not to eat shellfish or be stoned to death

[zbdent]

9. you mean all those times he vetoed bills since they became the "majority" leaders?

(and Reid's place is tenuous, at best ... with 49R 49D 1I & 1Asshole ...)

[shadowknows69]

10. Yeah, that's why he vetoed all those Republican bills when they were in power

Oh, wait.