Not yet 8 am ..and joe the plumber has been revealed as

[xiamiam]

a republican who voted in the primary
doesnt pay his taxes
wife beater
has already done more interviews than palin
lived in arizona
first report was not registered to vote
doesnt have a contractors license in ohio
is related to a keating five player
video shows obama clearly explained tax policy to him

cant imagine what will come out by the end of the day

[Caution]

1. Love to see links for each of those allegations. Would make a great email

[skooooo]

2. Is this all being covered on MSM???

...or just on the Internet?

[gratuitous]

3. Say it isn't so, Joe!

A Republican plant? I don't think anyone could have foreseen . . .

Ah fuck it. He's had his 15 minutes, and the Republicans had better gird their loins for another 40 years in the political wilderness.

[Stand and Fight]

4. Yeah, links would be nice... n/t

[Tesla]

6. I would love to have links!!

[Ian David]

5. He can see plumbing from his house! n/t

[Subdivisions]

7. ON MSNBC NOW... n/t

[bluedeminredstate]

20. What were they saying on MSNBC?

This story is too good to be true. I can't believe the treasure chest that is Joe the Plumber's life.

:popcorn:

[OKNancy]

8. I'd like to see some actual proof

I'd love to spread the word, but as of yet I haven't seen any proof
for most of that list.

I saw the video, so that is true. What about the other stuff?

[xiamiam]

10. from du..here is one re living in arizona

http://apps.co.lucas.oh.us/onlinedockets/DocketDR.aspx?STYPE=1&PAR=DR19970476&STARTDATE=01/01/1900&ENDDATE=01/01/2100&PARTY=D,1

[OKNancy]

14. OK... good!

that's two more.
- lived in Arizona and domestic violence

[xiamiam]

16. read kpetes thread..has more links

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x7477735

[OKNancy]

17. I already did

not enough there

[notalemming]

22. I'm a clerk to a district judge. Those funds are disbursed from EVERY court fine

to various agencies and have nothing whatsoever to do with the case in question. A fine for speeding gets distributed in exactly the same way. I'm not trying to defend the guy but wrong information is wrong information.

[nichomachus]

28. But this isn't a speeding ticket

This is the costs related to his divorce. Those funds are not disbursed that way. The battered women's shelter was somehow involved in the divorce.

[notalemming]

31. Not necessarily. At least in my state ALL court cases contribute to those

agencies. Are you familiar with all the evidence in that case? I hope you understand I'm not defending the guy...I just think going off half-cocked and assuming things not IN evidence doesn't help our cause...it's the kind of thing we roundly criticize when republicans do it.

[xiamiam]

32. you're right..nt

[magellan]

33. Thank you

The mandatory contribution to the Battered Women's fund was explained in another thread where this court case was originally brought up. JtP wasn't charged with battering; it's just that part of costs go to the fund.

[nichomachus]

35. In our state, that's not the case

so I'd guess we'd need to know how AZ works

In our state, criminal court fines have zillions of allocations -- which is why people are shocked to find that their $100 traffic fine suddenly becomes $800.

However, in divorce cases, there are merely filing fees, which go directly into the general funds, and court reporter fees for court hearings, which go directly to the court reporter. Other than that, nothing gets allocated to anything, unless there are other fees involved.

[notalemming]

36. Actually I should have said court FEES in addition to fines which aren't levied

in civil cases, obviously...but in our district every tort case generates fees (from both parties) which are distributed in the manner I mentioned.
Here's part of one recent case showing where some of the monies go...this is a DUI case and they go to a little different set of agencies in divorce cases but it's the same principle. The court's server is down right now or I could grab one of those. (I don't even know exactly
what some of those acronyms mean...they were invented before I got here and I never bothered to ask. haha)
Oh, this case has just now been finalized...I left off several pages that are in the file...

08/03/2006 FILE, ENTER & RECORD INFORMATION CITY $164.00
MUNICIPAL FEES $164.00
LAW LIBRARY FEES
SHERIFF'S FEES $5.00
AUTOMATED FINGERPRINTING INFORMATION SYSTEM $5.00
CLEET ASSESSMENT $9.00
STATE TREASURERS FORENSIC FEE $5.00
DPS REVOLVING FUND ASSESSMENT (upon DUI conviction) $155.00
10% of AFS1 $0.50
10% of CLT9 $0.90
10% of FORE $0.50
10% of DPSV (upon DUI conviction) $15.50
Court Information System Fee - Effective 07/01/04 $10.00
Medical Liability Revolving Fund $10.00
10% of MLRF $1.00
DA Revolving Fund $25.00
10% of DACF $2.50
Trauma Care Revolving Fund $100.00
10% of TCRF $10.00
08/03/2006 FILE AND ENTER CITATION $83.00
LAW LIBRARY $6.00
ARREST FEE $5.00
DEPT PUBLIC SAFETY REVOLVING FUND ASSESSMENT $20.00
AUTOMATED FINGERPRINTING INFORMATION SYSTEM $5.00
CLEET ASSESSMENT $9.00
STATE TREASURER FORENSIC FEE $5.00
10% of AFS1 $0.50
10% of CLT9 $0.90
10% of DPSV $2.00
10% of FORE $0.50
Court Information System Fee - Effective 07/01/04 $10.00
Trauma Care Revolving Fund $10.00
10% of TCRF $1.00
DA Revolving Fund $10.00
10% of DACT $1.00
08/03/2006 WARRANT OF ARREST:WRIT- ISSUED SHERIFF IN COUNTY $50.00
Court Information System Fee - Effective 07/01/04 $10.00
08/03/2006 ST/D.PIERCE. PRELIMINARY 8-22-06 @ 10:00, BOND SAME. RA
07/27/2006 APPEARANCE BOND - $2604.70 - C.JONES/WOODS #15271
08/15/2006 WARRANT RETURNED

[dennysp]

9. NO!!!! A McCain insider? Oh! Say it ain't so!!!!

[ShortnFiery]

11. You forgot, isn't even genuine, in that, his first name is "Sam"

Samuel Joseph Wurzelbacher :eyes:

[Richard D]

12. He's going to replace Palin . . .

[Beam Me Up]

30. Might be an improvement?

[WritersBlock]

13. I'll go with most of these, but wife beater? Where's that from? n/t

[OKNancy]

15. I was skeptical too, but check post #10

[WritersBlock]

19. Hmmm... I think someone in another thread said those costs are applied in all divorce cases, though.

Just like normal court fees, some of the cost goes in a fund for battered women. I don't think that was a domestic violence case there.

I just want us to have all our ducks in a row while we expose this jerk for the fraud that he is. ;)

[OKNancy]

27. Ah yes... you are right

I really agree. That's why I'm posting and kicking this thread
because I'd like to get our "ducks in a row" too.

No more Fitzmas bullpucky for me. I want 100% proof.

[OKNancy]

18. Another one

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x7478280

Looks like the only two that need more proof are the Keating connection and the
voter registration

[xiamiam]

21. keating connection here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=7474700&mesg_id=7474700

[OKNancy]

26. read that one last night..... not enough to satisfy me

[raccoon]

23. Off to Greatest with you! nt

[corkhead]

24. "Joe the plumber"TM must have been vetted by McSame's crack vetting team.

[Arugula Latte]

34. So McSame has a team that checks to see if plumbers really do have visible butt cracks?

That doesn't seem like a productive use of campaign resources.

[RobertSeattle]

25. "Joe the Plumber has done more press conferences than Palin"

[earth mom]

29. Yep, Joe is quickly being shown to be a credible & ethical rethug! NOT!

I think I heard he lives with his parents too....in the basement. :rofl: