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CountAllVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 10:46 AM
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Message from Hopi Elders
You have been telling the people that this is the Eleventh Hour, now you must go back and tell the people that this is the Hour. And there are things to be considered: Where are you living? What are you doing? What are your relationships? Are you in right relation? Where is your water? Know your garden. It is time to speak your Truth. Create your community. Be good to each other. And do not look outside yourself for the leader. This could be a good time!

There is a river flowing now very fast. It is so great and swift that there are those who will be afraid. They will try to hold on to the shore. They will feel they are being torn apart and will suffer greatly. Know the river has its destination. The elders say we must let go of the shore, push off into the middle of the river, keep our eyes open, and our heads above the water.

See who is in there with you and celebrate. At this time in history, we are to take nothing personally. Least of all, ourselves. For the moment that we do, our spiritual growth and journey comes to a halt. The time of the lone wolf is over. Gather yourselves! Banish the word struggle from your attitude and your vocabulary. All that we do now must be done in a sacred manner and in celebration. We are the ones we've been waiting for.

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The Hopi have a prophecy (see the Native American group) and it seems that part of it has begun with a great river flowing fast up to the shores (could it be the Mississippi River is my thought).

In any event, this is some thoughtful reading for COLUMBUS DAY I think.

:dem:

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demnan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 10:48 AM
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1. Do you have a link to this?
My peace action group would love to read something like this.
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CountAllVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 10:54 AM
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4. I don't have a link
it came in the email to me yesterday from one of the many Native American lists that I am on.

My mother grew up with the Hopi and I've been studying their prophecy for many years now. Supposedly, the elders have been silent for a long time now as they went to live out the rest of their lives in their caves high up on the cliffs in Arizona in about 1990 as they had warnings that now is the time for their prophecy to begin.

The part about the river did it for me when I thought about the Mississippi overflowing and everyone was trying to shore it up. In fact, I remember posting about it and telling people to forget this plan as it would not work. That was before I even knew of this particular part of the prophecy.

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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 11:05 AM
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9. Here is a link
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CountAllVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 11:10 AM
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11. thanks - from: The Elders Oraibi Arizona Hopi Nation
thank you for the link!

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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 01:56 PM
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21. wisdom, real wisdom. thank you for this wonderful thing.
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 10:49 AM
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2. This has been kicking around the net for years
Edited on Mon Oct-13-08 11:05 AM by SpiralHawk
And I have always wondered where the hell it came from. No Hopi elder is ever identified.

I suppose it's just from a generic Hopi elder? A generic Hope message?

The Hopi actually did deliver a specific message to the people of the world when they finally got into the prophesied House of Mica (UN Headquarters). The message was spoken by specific individuals. Here is a link to a page with the names, photos, and documented messages of the Hopi, and other native prophecy keepers, to the people of the world.

You have to read a bit, or scroll down, to get to the message part: http://www.8thfire.net/Day_15.html

MESSENGER: Grandfather Martin Gashweseoma
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CountAllVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 11:02 AM
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7. great link and I remember the story about New Mexico
Edited on Mon Oct-13-08 11:03 AM by CountAllVotes
and the way the governor of the state more of less blew them off when they went to him to tell him that Now is the Time.

:kick:

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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 10:50 AM
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3. Create our community. Yes. Take the responsibility for
our communities on ourselves. That is how we can change the world.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 10:57 AM
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5. My grandfather was inducted into the Bear Clan by the Hopis in about 1900
He was born on the Hopi reservation to German immigrants in 1895. I have a bunch of interesting old photos and letters from those days.

All their metaphors and imagery are about water.
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CountAllVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 11:00 AM
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6. keep all of that stuff
I have all of my late mother's things. She was adopted by the Cherokee and ended up spending a good part of her life in Arizona as they had moved there from Louisiana in the 1920s.

They are an amazing people and I remember her stories about going to school with them. She said that they "came on horseback to school when they could make it". It was rough times indeed.

:dem:

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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 12:50 PM
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17. Most of the really good photos, artifacts, and letters are already at the Smithsonian
Sitting in a back room. They put them on display once in a while.
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CountAllVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 12:55 PM
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18. that is sadly true
some of the local museums near where I live have sh*tloads of stuff however. One of them in particular comes to mind. They have old baskets stacked on top of the next receiving no particular care.

Sadly, next door to said museum is an area where they once had local Indian people locked up back in the mid-1800s.

I wonder where all the "stuff" came from anyway? :mad:

:kick:

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glinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 10:59 PM
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30. Trade Items Possibly
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 01:50 PM
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20. are the images on the net?
some Smithsonian images are displayed on the net as part of a web gallery
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 02:29 PM
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25. Only catalogues are on the Net as far as I know
Edited on Mon Oct-13-08 02:30 PM by slackmaster
Maybe some day. My great-grandfather was an anthroplogist. Many of his writings can be found easily. But I'm not going to jeopardize my privacy by getting any more specific.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 03:39 PM
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29. sure, I just meant for you to access
maybe you can encourage their display on the net
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 11:03 AM
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8. H2O
When you live in the desert water is king.

No doubt we live in a time where failures of humanity abound. Maybe it 'twas ever thus? Trick is to do what one can to keep a lid on it, eh?
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Loudmxr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 11:08 AM
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10. The "True Americans" have spoken and it is good.
I often think if one of the Palinites were next to one of the Hopi or Zuni, Zia, Laguna,(the local SW tribes) who I have deep affection for, or just someone who looks like Sitting Bull and I asked them.."What country is that person from?"

How long would it take for them to get around to saying "America???!!!" :banghead:
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Richard D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 11:27 AM
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12. This was directly from a good friend of mine
named ChoQosh Auh-Ho-Oh and was given to her by the Iroquois Elder Uncle John

Here's the full and accurate version.

There is a river flowing very fast. It is so swift that there are those who will be afraid. They will try to hold on to the shore.They will feel that they are being torn apart and will suffer greatly. Know that the river has a destination. The Elders say we must let go of the shore, push off into the middle of the river.

Keep our eyes open and our heads above the waters. And I say, see who is in there with you and Celebrate! At this time in history we are to take nothing personally, least of all ourselves. For the moment we do our spiritual growth comes to a halt.

The time of the lone wolf is over. Gather yourselves together. Banish the word Struggle from your attitude and vocabulary. All that we do now must be done in a sacred manner and in Celebration!
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 11:31 AM
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13. 'We are the ones we've been waiting for.'
right on
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conscious evolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 12:08 PM
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14. And the time of waiting is over.
Time to start doing.
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DarleenMB Donating Member (189 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 12:22 PM
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15. This is a lovely allegory
but there is NO real river being spoken of here ...
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Delphinus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 05:43 AM
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32. I look at it in both ways:
it works if there is a river, but, right now, I think it's talking about the times we're going through. The river is a metaphor for the swiftness of life's changes and our cores being shaken by those changes.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 12:32 PM
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16. K & R
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Peacetrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 12:57 PM
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19. K & R
"We are the ones we've been waiting for." Thank you
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 02:13 PM
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22. Obama uses that line, doen't he?
I think I recall hearing him say that, or something similar, on a couple of occcasions.
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Peacetrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 02:31 PM
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26. Yes I think he does..
Its such a wonderful thought.. we are the ones..
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glinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 11:00 PM
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31. Gandi
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Buns_of_Fire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 02:21 PM
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23. Time to watch "Koyaanisqatsi" again... nt
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 02:24 PM
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24. Three sentences in...
and I am crying like a baby.

Thank you for the positive and enlightening OP.
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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 02:45 PM
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27. In traditional lore, "the river" means the Milky Way
The Milky Way is the bridge between worlds, the bridge of souls, the celestial stairway -- but it is also associated with the change from one world-age to another. When the waning of one age wipes out the familiar pathways to a higher realm, new ways must be opened. That is where we stand now.




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Delphinus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 02:49 PM
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28. What an incredible picture!
Thank you!

May we find our way, starroute, may we find our way.
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