"Can I call you Joe?"

[Generic Other]

"Can I call you Joe?" she asked with the innocence of a snakeoil salesman. With her folksy crackerbarrel style, she gushed into the auditorium on a cloud of bouffant hair. With rehearsed lines and stock phrases, she mugged and winked for the camera, turned on her false charm and attempted to seduce the electorate with her beauty pageant strategies, the vacuous answers delivered with a false lipstick smeared smile and the flashing of white teeth, the ever so cute batting of the eyelashes.

Contrast the sober dignity of the man standing beside her whose answers reflected his years of experience in the Senate, a man respected for his leadership. The statesmen versus the high schoolprom queen.

What was clear from watching the debate aside from gaining a new appreciation and respect for a man like Joseph Biden who dedicated his life to public service, who seemed to grasp so easily the gravity of the times and the pressing problems Americans face, one could not help but be struck by the fact that Sarah Palin's demeanor reflected her surprising lack of humility given her inexperience and ignorance displayed for voters continuously during the debate. Simply put, she had no answers to the troubling questions of how to fix the economy, end the war, deal with the energy crisis. She offered nothing but uninformed campaign slogans delivered in a breathy babytalk voice more appropriate to a flirtatious high school girl than a woman who has put any serious consideration into what is being asked of her.

"Oh Joe," she chided "There you go again." She smirked, smiling smugly as she impersonated her hero the master salesman of the old Trickle Down snakeoil brand she was selling. Coming from her, it sounded like the popular girl in school commenting on the fact that the poor girl was wearing the same dress twice in one week.

Her lack of respect toward Senator Biden was an embarrassment considering the circumstances. A woman who had to be taken on a field trip to the UN to meet world leaders, who confessed to being an expert based on five weeks of cramming slogans and cliches into her head, who practiced relentlessly like a cheerleader at a baton twirling competition to string coherent sentences together, this woman had the nerve to stand in front of a man who was smarter, more well informed, with many more years of experience, and most important more aware of the enormity of the problems this country is facing, while this woman chose to respond by giggling in his face like a schoolgirl, and scolding him like a little girl talking to her teddy bear. Although she used her feminine charms, her cute perkiness to try and gain points, she acted as if Sen. Biden was the lightweight. After the debate, the general consensus of many in the media seemed to be that she won over many viewers. It appeared that more men wanted to fuck her than vote for her after watching the debate. One small step backward for women in the long difficult struggle to be treated with dignity and respect.

Sarah, can we call you babe?

[mscuedawg]

1. Can I call you a Condescending Tart? Or Twit...I can't decide...

Edited to say....How many days did we hear that Biden had to be ever so careful not to say something to be condescending, that he had to watch every word and every way he said things...

I guess she, being a woman, had the free-condescending-ticket...nothing sexist about that :sarcasm:

[southerncrone]

2. Wish Joe could have said "Can I call you ho?"

[mscuedawg]

4. LOL....Can I call you a cab back to Alaskuh? eom

[BrklynLiberal]

9. Good one.

[SCRUBDASHRUB]

5. Good one, southerncrone.

You betcha!

[iamahaingttta]

42. You know, it would have been great if Biden had said...

"Actually Governor, I would prefer it if you would call me Senator."

That would have been completely appropriate, and it would have derailed her entire approach. And there would have been nothing anybody could do or say about it.

[southerncrone]

46. I mentioned the same thing on another thread.

Great minds think alike. LOL :hug:

(Please excuse my typo!)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=7312833&mesg_id=7312893

[Warpy]

3. Twit

She's not street smart enough to survive as a tart.

The polls coming out at the beginning of the week will be fascinating to watch. I've seen people who initially were entertained by her performance chewing on it over the last couple of days and finding it increasingly indigestible.

Sarah meets well. She does not wear well.

[mscuedawg]

7. Excellent post....Twit wins...Tart was in response to the winks...hurl eom

[Generic Other]

6. This is not what my suffragist grandmothers and feminist mothers fought for

so that women could pull up their skirts and display their thighs to the menfolk for votes.

[southerncrone]

28. How true. But if you look seriously at the Repukes,

you'll find that most of their behaviors are designed to denigrate women. I think they are at the core, women-haters. They are using P'n to get what they want. She will be kicked under the bus so quickly, her tattooed lipstick will fall off.

Look at their Stepford wives, they consistently vote against legislation that helps women & children, they set women up to take the fall, or face the fire, for their despicable & illegal actions, i.e. Harriet Myers, Monica Goodling, Dana Perino, etc.

[mscuedawg]

30. Along those lines...and I concur w/your post...

but someone FINALLY mentioned on here WHEN did the GOP give up their stance on FAMILY VALUES? Remember that??? B/c the condescending twit is a complete MOCKERY of family values...I guess leave it to the Mav'wreck to bring that on...

[southerncrone]

35. I suspect Ghouliani & their numerous scandels forced them to drop the

"family values" meme. Actions speak louder than words.....just couldn't be justified anymore.
McLame thought P'n would bolster their FV ideal, but looks like that's backfired miserably.

I like your Mav'wreck name,it's perfect. Mind if I use it in the future?

[mscuedawg]

39. Help yourself!

:)

[suston96]

8. Can I call you Joe? So she can later ask: Say it ain't so, Joe.....?

How dumb does she think people are?

Saturday Might Live should be great tonite.......you betcha......wink.....wink....!

[mscuedawg]

11. I thought the SAME THING...she had that "Say it aint so, Joe" tucked away ...

and thanks for the reminder to set the autotune to SNL tonight!! :hi:

[orleans]

33. see this post:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=4168504&mesg_id=4168625

[LiberalHeart]

10. "My friends call me Joe Sixpack."

[mscuedawg]

12. He could have said as long as you DONT call me Joe Sixpack!

[Uncle Joe]

13. That was just a setup so she could come out later with her pre-packaged line of

"say it ain't so Joe"; the equivalent of Bush's "fuzzy math" line, basically just superficial nonsense to be used when they can't debate with any substantive material. If Bush was the "compassionate conservative" Palin is the "flirtatious conservative". I suspect the depth and quality of national leadership will be the same as well.

The only reason they pull this, is because they know, the vast majority of the corporate media will never call them on it.

[bobd0]

16. Bingo!

[TwilightGardener]

14. Can anyone imagine this act coming out of a less-attractive, more-accomplished woman?

Can anyone imagine, if Obama had chosen Kathleen Sebelius, let's say, and McLoser had chosen Romney or Pawlenty, that Sebelius would have stood up there winking and shimmying and grinning like a beauty queen for ninety minutes, complete with an exaggerated accent and a shtick of "Doggone it" and "Hey Joe six pack!" etc.--all while refusing to answer the questions? It's not possible to imagine that, but the GOP apparently just wants a spokesmodel.

[southerncrone]

19. The only reason they can get away with it is because their base is a bunch of ignorant idiots!

That plus MSM will never call them out, even though it's part of their job.

[Richard D]

27. someone else "won the hearts and minds"

with a fake accent too.

[tblue37]

43. Our Gov. Sebelius is actually very attractive, but in a

classy, elegant way, not in that bouffant beauty-pageant way. But of course that trashy behavior would have seemed strikingly incongruous coming from the serious and elegant Gov. Sebelius--or Gov. Granholm, for that matter, who is also attractive, but not in that perky, shallow, winky cheerleader way.

[bobd0]

15. The question was a set up right from the start, IMO.

I already posted this in another thread. Palin knew her microphone was on when she asked the question. It was a set up so she could drop her big, "Say it ain't so, Joe" line later and not be criticized because she already asked permission, on mic, to do so.

[Generic Other]

22. Yes you are right! Her mic was clearer heard over the applause,

and I didn't hear his mic at all. They did that on purpose. It just seemed incredibly creepy to invoke Reagan on her part. He was an old man treating someone like this, not a young woman talking to her elder who was wiser and more well-respected. Like her mother didn't teach her basic manners.

[rubberducky]

17. I find it totally disgusting that this woman is taking us back to the age of Scarlett O`Hara.

When a 44-year-old woman must rely on "cute" to get by, there is something radically wrong with that woman`s thinking.She is a governor for God`s sake, you would think she would have at least a tiny bit of gravitas. Playing the poor little me card, just does not get it.The press would have destroyed Hillary if she had come out with the winking and aren`t I just so cute act. Scarlett needs to go back to Alaska and stay there forever in her little cacoon of ShirleyTemplesque quips. That might play in Alaska, but I don`t think it will play on a world stage

[mscuedawg]

20. Agree...we've come too far to be belittled by having a condescending twit

represent the middle class woman... :mad:

[rubberducky]

26. It makes me feel so bad that with this one stupid woman

we (women) will lose years of struggle. She is the picture we all fought against. Women should NOT have to project "cuteness" to survive. She seems to be totally destroying the women`s movement to independence.

[tblue37]

45. In _Vindication of the Rights of Women (1792) _, Mary Wollstonecraft

says (my paraphrase) that uneducated women who have only their beauty and flirty feminine wiles to fall back on, and whose only goal in life is to win a husband and the approval of men, end up as middle-aged women still competing with their daughters for the attentions of men and becoming increasingly ridiculous in their shallowness and frivolity.

Sarah Palin represents all that this first great feminist railed against in her brilliant, groundbreaking treatise on the importance of women's rights.

[orleans]

18. your quote is wrong...

PALIN: Say it ain't so, Joe, there you go again pointing backwards again.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/02/debate.transcript/index.html

david letterman had a good point--he said he thought she asked biden if she could call him joe just so she could use the phrase "say it ain't so, Joe" which (according to letterman) is a reference to shoeless joe jackson when he was accused of fixing the world series. "Legend has it that leaving the courthouse during the trial, a young boy begged of Jackson, "Say it ain't so, Joe," and that Joe did not respond. "
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shoeless_Joe_Jackson

("He is remembered for his performance on the field and for his association with the Black Sox Scandal, when members of the 1919 Chicago White Sox participated in a conspiracy to fix the World Series. As a result of Jackson's association with the scandal, Kenesaw Mountain Landis, Major League Baseball's first commissioner, banned Jackson from playing after the 1920 season"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shoeless_Joe_Jackson

so...this bitch was possibly equating biden to one of the biggest scandals to hit the favorite american pass-time (by reminding or dredging up for the audience this infamous remark--"say it ain't so, joe")

[Night_Nurse]

24. Interesting...

So she wasn't asking permission to call him Joe out of politeness - she had a sinister motive behind it. Makes complete sense. I'm sure that was KKKarl's idea...

[Generic Other]

25. The "There you go again" thing was from Reagan debate

That's the part I noticed. So are you saying she actually blended two different quotes, or did reagan use both in a former debate?

[orleans]

31. i'm saying it was two different quotes she put together

i noticed the reagan quote too--i don't really know the story about shoeless joe. however, the "say it ain't so, joe" was vaguely familiar. so when letterman said it last night i thought: bingo! and he said she asked if she could call him joe just so she could use that shoeless joe jackson quote on him later.

[Generic Other]

34. I wonder who put that together for her?

So snide and cynically conceived. Smells just like a Rove.

[orleans]

37. there is someone who was a protege of rove who works for mcasshole.

i forget his name.

[Sal Minella]

48. A baby born in 1919 would be 89 years old now, so the voting demographic who would remember the

baseball scandal is exceedingly small. Palin using this "Joe" quote mystifies me as much as the photos of Jane Fonda's VietNam era protests surfacing during the Kerry campaign -- i.e. the "Not Fonda Kerry" bumpersticker -- I just assumed the Rethugs' Propaganda Committee was composed of doddering geezers dredging up memories of Hot Stuff from their political firebrand days.

Mysterious indeed. Would be interesting to know who is originating these crumbling historical references.

[malaise]

21. Superb post

Sarah Palin is Carrie's mother in that Stephen King novel - a vacuous, vicious vindictive fundie viper.

[Night_Nurse]

23. Well said!

You stated everything I've been thinking and feeling since the debate.. thank you!

[Faryn Balyncd]

29. This appears to have been a Rovian gambit to entice Biden to call her "Sarah" during debate........

... but Biden didn't bite, and consistently & respectfully referred to her as "Gov. Palin".

Thus, he insulated himself from accusations of condescension, while at the same time undermining her authenticity as a non-politician "soccer mom" to representing "Joe Sixpack".

This was a gambit straight out of the Rovian playbook, focus-group tested by the usual high priced RNC professional propagandists.

They wanted to draw Biden down.... into a game they could win.

But by not biting, never questioning her (or her handler's) motives), and giving her nothing but respect, while absolutely destroying McCain on SUBSTANCE, Biden let her expose herself for the lightweight she is.





:kick:

[Generic Other]

38. It came across as silly and rehearsed

The focus-group testers messed up. GOP should ask for a refund!

[Tutonic]

32. She sounds like some cheap $2.00 whore! My apologies to real

whores but this lady cheapened the stage that she was standing on. Joe Biden is probably still showering after touching that skank! You don't wink, flirt and blow kisses to a TV audience unless you're auditioning for America's Top Model. The McCain team must consist of lizards and other horny amphibians. This is just so wrong on every level. It is demeaning to women, demeaning to men, demeaning to our system of government. When McCain loses this lady needs to be given a one way Greyhound Bus ticket and a box lunch--so that there is no need for her to get off in any point before she crosses over into Alaska. She is toxic and needs to be ran as far north as she can go--so close that she can see Putin's ugly head. I pray to God that those children of hers somehow get shipped off to a relatives house where they possibly have a chance. Otherwise we can expect to hear in another 10-15 years about some up and coming "maverick" that has tons of political experience by association with this polar sloth.

[Generic Other]

47. I see I'm not the only one who had a bad reaction!

I think we have touched on the real problem with Palin's candidacy, how utterly insulting and offensive it is to women everywhere who have actually worked to advance the cause of women's rights. Her whole performance made me shudder.

[PufPuf23]

36. "Please call me Caribou Barbie" nt

[young_at_heart]

40. Can I call you an embarrassment to our country?

You're not cute. You're not charming. You're not folksy. You're not even an outsider with proven ability to lead. What you are is disgusting to both men and women!!

[PfcHammer]

41. Reminds me of that song You can call me Al

by paul simon. :rofl:

[EFerrari]

44. That's what I thought of, too.

GMTA!