If we keep the majority in the House, Pelosi will have to go

[question everything]

You don't work on a bi-partisan agreement - that most dislike but see as the lesser of two evils - and then interject flaming partisan comments.

There are many opportunities to do that, but not when you are hoping to pass a bill which is on a very shaky grounds.

If we are still the majority, let's elect a new Speaker. Someone who understand that politics is the act of compromise, even when, especially when, you are in the majority.

Yes, I know that the Republicans have latched onto this, but she made it easy for them.

And it is not just about this bill (even though our livelihood may depend on it), it is about leadership that she clearly lacks.

[FLAprogressive]

1. And you don't put impeachment "off the table" either...nt

[amdezurik]

2. duuuuuuuuuuuuude

all Nancy has done is friggin' compromise and give the repukes get everything they want...

[avaistheone1]

41. Pelosi will NEVER, NEVER, NEVER be replaced as long as the Dems remain in power. Why?

It's the money, stupid.

Nancy Pelosi contributes more money to other Democratic congressional candidates' campaigns than any other Democrat. The Dems are not going to bite the hand that feeds them.


Follow the money...


Look at Monday's bailout vote. Those Dems who voted "YES" on the bailout received 54% more campaign dollars from the financial industry than Dems who voted "NO". Just a coincidence,I'm sure.

[ecstatic]

3. We won't know the consequences of her leadership style until the first Wed in Nov

At that time, if it's not President-elect Obama with increased majorities in the Senate and House, then I will sign on to the idea of replacing her.

[Virginia Dare]

4. Great republican talking point. Congrats...n/t

[Festivito]

18. Great republican talking point. Congrats...n/t

[Kolesar]

5. You sound like a Republican

Actually, you sound like two republicans, Steven Latourette and John Boehner, the former of the two said he voted against the bill because of Pelosi's mean remarks.

Do you really want to spread the message of these two douchebags?

[question everything]

8. And you sound like you are talking from inside the sand

where your head is there.

You do not work on a bi-partisan bill and then make it partisan and give the Republicans an excuse.

It you cannot understand this than you may have bigger problems than this one bill.

[Kolesar]

13. Tell it to the banking lobbyists...eom

[Festivito]

21. To me, you sound like a Republican. She still needs to go.

Not for speaking the truth to Republicans after they pulled their stunt. Not because the Republicans came up with crocodile tears.

Because she's in the way of keeping Bush from his acts he can do because of the pardons he can give.

To me, you sound like a Republican.

[Kolesar]

22. she's in the way of keeping Bush from his acts he can do because of the pardons he can give?

[Festivito]

24. Bush is above the law because he can pardon any crime.

Including his own, except under one condition: he is under impeachment. The real reason is still hidden from us in a secret document that is kept by the AG.

They won't reveal it, because if they did it would be reason enough to impeach him on its own.

Pelosi stands in impeachment's way using insidious methods. "It's not on the table." Not a reason, just some stupid empty statement in the best Republican playbook style. She belongs with them, not with US.

[Kolesar]

25. impeach Henry Paulson? ... eom

[Festivito]

27. For what? /nt

[Kolesar]

43. Because Pelosi has to ... "take action" against "somebody" ... eom

:sarcasm:

[daninthemoon]

6. I think the "hurt feelings" of the repugs was just an opportunistic stunt.

I'm glad the bill didn't pass. I agree that Pelosi has been a very weak leader, and should be replaced. In this most recent debacle, my biggest beef isn't that she mentioned the bush responisility in all this, which the repugs then used as an excuse to vote no. My beefis: why the hell was she about to hand over another blank check.

[badgerpup]

20. I've been extremely disappointed in Nancy Pelosi's performance...

:thumbsdown::thumbsdown:
...even without her having hurt the tender feelings of the House Republicans yesterday. :eyes:

Who's running against her? I saw a while back that Shirley Golub and Cindy Sheehan were both interested in the position...

[Vincardog]

7. Right the republican leadership who could not deliver their part of the deal

They couldn't have any responsibility could they?
Do you get these talking points in a memo or do you have to listen to FAUX SnewZ?

[question everything]

9. This is politics. The art of compromise

Insisting on doing thing "my way" does not get you far, unless you have both the White House and Congress and a sniveling minority.

The Republicans were against it to begin with. They are the ones who would love to distance themselves from the Bush White House. Which should be a first indication why we should support the bill in the first place. That people here and across the county are willing to cut their noses to spite their faces is the sorriest outcome of this mess.

And then, of course, when they are out in the street, with no jobs, no health insurance, no prospect for retirement, they they will cry for... the government, of course, to help them.

[Vincardog]

28. Exactly how will the proposed bill help? How much of the toxic paper is there?

How does throwing money at the Wall Street insiders help Main street?

This is a Republican problem.
Their policies created the mess.
They have the responsibility to propose the solution.
I have had my industry wiped out by the free trade mania the corporatists have forced on us.

I have no job, no health insurance, no prospect for retirement: and I want them to fix the problem.

The problem is the repeal of oversight and the gutting of the regulatory agencies.

What some people don't seem to understand is that dumping another Trillion dollars on the market
only serves to weaken to dollar and leads to hyper inflation.

[question everything]

31. It is not about Wall Street. It is about liquidity

If you've never heard of LIBOR, it is the rate that banks charge each other for short term loans, and the type of loans that most small businesses depend upon. Today it shot from 2.5% to 6.9%.

You may not care for small business, and I and everyone in my family has always been a salaried employee. But small businesses are part of the economy, they produce goods, they employ people and they pay taxes. And many of them were interviewed today, helplessly describing how they cannot get those loans for operations.

[dkofos]

10. I for one will be happy to see her gone. Go Cindy

[cali]

12. lol. the hapless Cindy doesn't stand a chance.

if she gets 15% she'll have done well.

[EFerrari]

29. How pathetic of you to criticize someone who puts her money

where her mouth is.

[cali]

11. can't stand her, but it's ridiculous to think there's anything we can do

to oust her. it's up to her peers in the house, and there aren't nearly enough of us to pressure them. either someone makes a credible run against her, or not.

[question everything]

32. Of course it is up to her peers

and one can only hope that they will decide to have someone who can steer Congress to pass laws that benefit the regular citizens.

[Winterblues]

14. IMO She has been very unwise in her position as Speaker from day one.

This last little speech she gave was just plain dumb IMO. Not very wise at all and she is the Democratic Speaker....She started her stint as Speaker by demanding she have the biggest and fanciest office. Boy what a fuss she made about it. I knew right then and there things would not go as well as I would like.

[burythehatchet]

15. question everything, king/queen of the Repuke talking point, blah blah

frickin blah

[question everything]

33. Wow! What an insight, thougtful response, full of informative

data and intelligent conclusion... - NOT!

How pathetic that you have nothing to contribute to a serious discussion but to call names.

No doubt, at the first sign of loss you will be the first to run to the "government" crying for help.

[Truth2Tell]

16. I posted the same sentiment yesterday.

Be prepared to be ruthlessly flamed by the DLC trolls as a "Rupublican" or a "Boner lover."

[question everything]

34. Yeah. I have to wonder why they call themselves Demcorats

when they "do not trust the government." I used to hear this from Republicans, especially when talking about a universal health care.

[Burma Jones]

17. Well then who? Steny Hoyer?

[question everything]

37. Or Keith Ellison (nt)

[Chan790]

42. Really.

I've met Steny Hoyer. I even like Steny, but these people who want to throw Nancy Pelosi overboard will be sorely disappointed when they see who is next in line. They're like the same person.

Who from outside the leadership cadre has the cache to mount a challenge? John Murtha? He did almost knock off Hoyer. He's not going to make these people happy either, he's a conservative in the truest senses of the word. Someone will suggest Dennis Kucinich in this subthread...I love DK but he's got less of a chance of ever being elected speaker than my freshman congressman.

:shrug:

[David__77]

19. If Democrats had passed this without most GOP votes, it would be a political loss.

Pelosi's done fine with the speech. I hope it was on purpose to get the bill tanked. It's failure is a win for Democrats.

[dgibby]

23. My sentiments exactly!

I posted about this yesterday, ie, was it possible that she had 'punked' the republicans into voting against the bill for that reason. There are many other reasons to replace her, but I'm not convinced this is the one. She was weaned on Baltimore cut-throat politics, so I find it difficult that she would make an amateur mistake like this.

[gatorboy]

26. Yeah! I mean what's up with making Republicans cry!!! We're suppose to be bleeding heart!

:rofl:

Psssst! It was a Republican bill in the first place.


NEXT!

[Rowdyboy]

30. How mean of her to be rude to the Republicans! Yes, "let's" elect a new speaker...Just as soon as

I get elected to the House of Representatives I'll go right to work on that.

[question everything]

38. You miss the point (not surprising)

She was behind the bill. She sat on all the deliberations, she never expressed her objections, she promised to deliver the votes and than tanked it.

This is not a game. At least, for millions who will lose their jobs and their health insurance and their retirement it is not a game.

And while too many idiots do not grasp it, just as they are enchanted with Palin, think that Obama is Muslim and are suspicious of universal health care, we should expect our leaders to behave as adults.

[Neecy]

35. Remember this....

Pelosi also has constituents and her remarks reflected what many of us (I moved out of her district a few years ago, but I'm still a San Francisco Democrat) feel - that these Republican messes shouldn't come out of our pockets, that their greed and mismanagement caused this mess. The deal was no more popular on the left than it was on the right, and her remarks in part reflected what many in her district feel. She's a politician too, you know.

[ShortnFiery]

36. Absolutely!

:thumbsup:

[TexasObserver]

39. she has been a massive failure and must go

[BlooInBloo]

40. "If"??? BWAHAHAHAAH!!!!