Anyone watching the debate on the House floor?

[seemslikeadream]

http://www.c-span.org/Watch/C-SPAN_wm.aspx

[ShortnFiery]

1. Barney Frank is seriously pissing me off. This won't work. eom

[hisownpetard]

4. Why? What's he saying?

[ShortnFiery]

30. Well, let me put it this way - simple but conveys my impression -

The road to Hell is paved with good intentions.

I say, "Slow down because the initial 450 billion will initially go to the PRESENT Executive Branch."

I know Barney Frank is highly intelligent but I know the dark recesses of human nature and this is a ROBBERY of the American Middle Class.

Ask yourself, other than Social Security, WHAT ISSUE has Congress told GWB "NO" on?!?

Really, this is a huge mistake and when we drop into a Depression in four to six months, the M$M will cheer lead The American People into blaming a democratic Legislative and Executive Branch.

[shadowknows69]

2. Yeah, not sure how much I can take today

I'm still really torn on how I feel about this. I feel we're being gamed again somehow.

[seemslikeadream]

3. Gaming?

Did it ever really stop?

[shadowknows69]

5. Call me a dreamer

[seemslikeadream]

7. Just like the surge

it won't work, DeFazio

[Not the Only One]

6. We're going into the toilet paper business!

All of the Wall Street paperwork they want to sell to us for a profit is useful for wiping your ass and starting fires. Get the late night TV infomercials going!

[shadowknows69]

8. DeFazio (D) just made a pretty good case against it.

Or at least took the wise route of saying, let's work on this and vote next week.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

103. DeFazio is one of my absolute favorite Congresscritters

speaking as a former resident of Oregon. I used to contribute to attend his $30 pizza-and-beer fundraisers, even though I don't live in his district.

[AllieB]

9. Yes, that hideous creature Darrell Issa is up.

:puke:

[seemslikeadream]

10. ending the Reagan era

if we pass the bill

[Kitty Herder]

11. Watching the Rethugs set a trap and the Dems walk right in.

:puke:

[shadowknows69]

12. Maxine Waters for the bill

[bdamomma]

17. Barbara Lee is against this.

[AllieB]

13. I love that Barney correct that douche from NJ

'DemocRAT' leadership. He corrected him about WHO was in control of congress for 12 years and blocked bills relating to re-regulation.

[TexasObserver]

14. The Bush administration delivers a sucker punch that Democrats lean into.

This is insane. The Democratic party will be seen by a majority of Americans as big spending hacks for Wall Street, saving Bush's bacon. The GOP will vote against this bill, and hang it like an albatross around the necks of our party.

This may be where we lose the election of 2008, and the presidency. This bill has no significant support in the population and it is insane to pass a bill that lacks widespread support. If the party passes this bill without 2/3 of the GOP reps voting for it in both houses, our leadership is out of its god damned mind.

[rockymountaindem]

47. So we should make an even worse bill just so Republicans will vote for it?

I think not.

[TexasObserver]

65. Your conclusions are unsound and unwarranted.

We should do nothing about passing the bill until the population says they want it.

This is a politically stupid move, because it is not what the public wants.

You were right when you said you don't think, however.

[rockymountaindem]

79. The public was wrong about plenty of things

Quite recently too... Saddam's link to Osama bin Laden being the most glaring example. Until recently many people didn't believe in the reality of global climate change, and many still don't. Are you suggesting that we should wait until the entire economy is totally, irrevocably screwed and people finally say "help us!" before we do anything? That's exactly what it sounds like you're saying.

[TexasObserver]

112. You still don't seem to get it. The public votes how THEY want to.

Not how you think they should. That's the oldest losing theme one hears among fellow Democrats. It assumes that YOUR judgment is superior to that of others. Maybe it is, but that is irrelevant to the point of winning elections.

We win elections by representing what people want, not by supporting bailouts they do not want. It's THEIR money, not yours to use as you see fit. Just because you think the bailout makes sense doesn't mean the population agrees with you. And contrary to your supposition, those people DO understand the situation better than you.

[rockymountaindem]

114. Maybe, then, just maybe

our representatives should be willing to put their asses on the line to do what is actually needed, then. Also, if "those people" understood everything so well, they wouldn't have taken out all those mortgages they couldn't afford no matter how hard the "financial wizards" at places like Countrywide begged them to do so. The public, which has run up enormous personal debt, is not squeaky clean in this department either.

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

92. That's exactly what's going to happen...

...and it does, unfortunately, beg the question, all morality and ethics aside (business as usual) how can Dem leadership be so utterly fuckin stupid?

[TexasObserver]

113. Well, they dodged the bullet.

This is a good outcome. No bailout and now the GOP has bought the collapse, if there is one. Even if nothing happens in the markets substantial, the public isn't going to suddenly reward the GOP in a declining economic market.

Best of both worlds, and we lucked into it.

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

115. I'm pleasantly surprised by this outcome, and have been...

...duly chastised by my wife for my cynicism. Let's hope nothing passes until BushCo is gone.

[TexasObserver]

117. I want the GOP to OWN this economy.

And I want the bottom to be this year, not after Obama takes office.

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

118. That would be nice -- let's hope.

[MadrasT]

15. I'm watching but I don't know how long I can take it.

:puke:

[bdamomma]

16. yes, I am.

I don't know but they are rushing this thing, I think more economists need to weigh in on it.

I will call my reps and senators.

[shadowknows69]

18. What happened to no partisan bill Speaker Pelosi?

This vote is going to go right along party lines and the media spin will be that the Democrats just gave the people's tax dollars away.

[bdamomma]

19. good some Dems are against this.

I think this bill is going to fail.

[Junkdrawer]

20. Most Republicans I heard are opposing....

This will be a Bush/Democrat bill.

[shadowknows69]

21. A Dem just came out against

[bdamomma]

22. we need to flood the lines of our Reps.

for some reason I think the Congress should NOT rush into this.

[shadowknows69]

23. Kilpatrick against

[bdamomma]

24. another NO vote from a dem.

Kilpatrick.

[shadowknows69]

25. Now we've got an R for it by the looks of it

[shadowknows69]

26. Seniors wouldn't be able to get their savings?

Why not? As long as it's 100,000 or less its FDIC. Empty fucking threats. I still can't be convinced that out of the blue LENDING INSTITUTIONS are going to stop doing their main revenue making activity.

[Carni]

48. Good God who's claiming that?

I have not had access to the debate...who said seniors won't be able to get their savings? How do they figure that as long as they don't have more than 100 grand in one bank? Are they saying now that the FDIC is also going bust?

I can't even form an opinion on this...one side of me thinks this is typical rip off the middle class BS (like the Iraq WMD issue and everything else has been under bush) and then the other half of me wonders if the admin who has cried wolf for 8 years is actually telling the truth for the first time in history.

WTF!?!?! Who can tell! :(

[bdamomma]

27. Sheila Jackson Lee is up.

Rep. Ryan Repig said yes, he will vote for it.

Sheila Jackson Lee is great she said we need a second opinion.

[shadowknows69]

29. We should be pundits on TV somewhere eh alyce?

You want anchor or "color commentary"?

[bdamomma]

71. yea, at least we tell the truth.

[shadowknows69]

28. Sheila Jackson Lee

"The U.S. Constitution protects Main Street."

Sounds like against the Bill

[ShortnFiery]

35. She's spot on.

Sheila Jackson Lee :loveya:

[Habibi]

31. Has Slaughter spoken yet?

[seemslikeadream]

32. I don't think so

[shadowknows69]

33. I don't know, haven't watched all of it.

[Fleshdancer]

34. was Kucinich right yesterday? Does Congress not have enough votes?

This is the first time I've been able to access the news all day. Has anyone heard whether this thing has a good chance of passing or not?

Thanks in advance. :hi:

[shadowknows69]

37. I think its going to pass

[FLAprogressive]

36. Has Jim McDermott spoken yet? nt

[L. Coyote]

38. To launch stand-alone player, use this link:

http://www.c-span.org/watch/index.asp?Cat=TV&Code=CS

[Habibi]

39. Wow, this vote is going to be a real nail-biter.

When I first started watching, it seemed as though as many Dems as Repubs were against (during the first hour). Then I had to take off for an hour. Now it seems that there are more Repubs rising in opposition.

[shadowknows69]

41. It's going to pass.

[shadowknows69]

40. Another rethug for the bill

[shadowknows69]

42. Another Dem for it.

It's over. Are any amendments allowed in the Senate?

[shadowknows69]

43. Two more against the Bill. Vote coming up soon I think isn't it?

[shadowknows69]

44. Pelosi is speaking now

[shadowknows69]

45. Dennis K!!!

[JimWis]

46. Many from both sides against it. I have been watching all

morning. I sense it will not pass. At best, it will be very close.

[harun]

49. The Republicans are trying to make this the "Dem" bailout plan

The Dem's need to call their bluff and say fine, no bail out. Next topic.

[bdamomma]

51. this a very tricky bill

it is if they don't anything they will be damned

if they do something they will be damned.

[bdamomma]

50. between both Dems and Repigs

are against this proposal.

[bdamomma]

52. can we get some recs on this thread.

[eleny]

55. K&R

:kick:

[bdamomma]

53. Kucinich against this

and Waxman is for it.

[Myrina]

75. I trust DK's judgment

n/t

[bdamomma]

54. they just applauded for Barney Frank

saying not to throw this out,

Boehner is up. Oh crap they are applauding him too, he did not even speak yet. I wonder how many drinks he had already.
Boehner said we are scared, are we scared???? We are angry and enraged.

[Trillo]

56. Barney Frank just spoke well

says he's in congress for the poor. Can't get everything he wants, but there's a lot of good language in the bill, such as keeping renters in their rentals when the owners failed to pay mortgage.

[eleny]

57. Did Boehner have a liquid breakfast and lunch?

Talking about a "mud sandwich".

[thewiseguy]

58. Thank you Boehner.

[mzmolly]

59. Yes, I've been watching ....

It's an important debate.

[bdamomma]

60. oh god, Boehner said vote yes.

[thewiseguy]

61. but he said the passage of this bill is in serious doubt

Boehner has been for this bill but his latest comment could signal some trouble.

[eleny]

62. Vote yes for the "mud sandwich"

He just gave Tweety his talking point for today.

[bdamomma]

63. Steny is up.

so guys what do you think.


I think for some strange reason it will pass, and bush is going to be smirking his head off.

we have to remember who is in the WH? I think they should have a second opinion.

[Solly Mack]

64. Is it poetry day in the House?

[bdamomma]

66. this ought to be very close.

[Solly Mack]

67. We hope (it doesn't go bad for the tax payer)...and we think it may not

[bdamomma]

68. this is a very big risk.

[madmusic]

69. C-Span needs a positive/negative dial

Like CNN used during the debate. We could all vote during these debates.

[bdamomma]

80. they should have us vote for this

[bdamomma]

70. I am very skeptical of this whole thing.

when did this filthy administration ever do anything to help this country or the American people, a BIG NO.

[Myrina]

72. yes wtf: 2 seconds for a voice vote and she declares 'the ayes have it'?

ROLL CALL VOTE, DAMMIT. It's too close for a voice vote.

[bdamomma]

73. they just applauded for Steny.

here we go, recorded vote is requested.

more ayes, than nays.

RECORDED VOTE IS TAKING PLACE.


15 MINUTE VOTE. oh, boy guys this still has to go to the Senate. Call your Senators now.

[Solly Mack]

74. My goodness...that was a contentious moment

[bdamomma]

77. I don't see the no numbers going up.

[Solly Mack]

84. My off-the-wall, based on absolutely nothing guess is

It'll pass by 5-10 votes

Edit: WOW (after vote tally)



I just saw a vote change after the fact (No to yes)...will more?

[Duppers]

76. holding..

15 mins. vote.

Right now - 100 yes's to 66 nays.

Most repubs are voting against it, most dems for.

[bdamomma]

78. what is the simple majority of votes.

[Duppers]

82. still voting

128 to 123!!!

May NOt pass.

[avaistheone1]

83. Ellen Tauscher - with the gavel tried to shut off the vote

She is for the most part a useless conservative Democrat.

Looks like she was unhappy many in the membership wanted a roll call vote.

[bdamomma]

81. .............

122 for

111 against, this is correct.

watching on small screen.

[Duppers]

85. 148 to 143

yays

[bdamomma]

86. what are the numbers now.

oh my goodness.

[Duppers]

87. 162 - 164

nays

[bdamomma]

88. well someone's having a good time, someone was laughing.

is it 2 more minutes to go?

alot of repigs voting against this.

[bdamomma]

89. now if this fails should we feel good about it.

or will the repigs constituents kick up about this.

[bdamomma]

90. is it more nay votes than yes votes.

[Duppers]

91. It's dead

done.

back to drawing board.

[eleny]

93. No simple majoirty with no time remaining 189-210

[bdamomma]

94. I wonder if Bush is going to blow a gasket cause he didn't get what he wanted

if this falls through.

[bdamomma]

95. so McCain said he was up for whatever the House repigs do.

now should this action put McCain in a very bad light, I hope so.

[bdamomma]

96. maybe the repigs wanted this to fail to saddle the next president

with more crap to handle.

[Myrina]

99. They want it to fail so they can (falsely) claim they're with 'the little guy'

... and the Dems are 'with the millionaires'.

Most folks with active brain cells know thats totally twisted but the GOP'll still try to claim it that way and use it for a McLame talking point.

[bdamomma]

97. so what are the numbers.

do the nays have it?

[bdamomma]

98. someone calling for the Madame Speaker

do you guys hear it?

[bdamomma]

100. delete

[Myrina]

101. 228 against, 205 for. The 'ayes have it', my ass, Madame Speaker.

:spank:

[bdamomma]

102. what are the numbers

[bdamomma]

104. I got it

207 to 226 Nays

[Solly Mack]

106. The Nays were 95/133...now 94/132....some Nay votes are changing

[Solly Mack]

108. Now it has switched back....133 R Nays

[seemslikeadream]

105. the wind began to howl

Neil Young
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_tJnj2j5kI


Dave Matthews
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yam6mrCCvD4

Dylan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_ncQgjIlFM

Dave Mason

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nb_O2LfyxAw

Dave Mathews

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zKs6EsVKr4

Jimi

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NT_YrbmMK6Y

There must be some way out of here," said the joker to the thief,
"There's too much confusion, I can't get no relief.
Businessmen, they drink my wine, plowmen dig my earth,
None of them along the line know what any of it is worth."

"No reason to get excited," the thief, he kindly spoke,
"There are many here among us who feel that life is but a joke.
But you and I, we've been through that, and this is not our fate,
So let us not talk falsely now, the hour is getting late."

All along the watchtower, princes kept the view
While all the women came and went, barefoot servants, too.

Outside in the distance a wildcat did growl,
Two riders were approaching, the wind began to howl.

[bdamomma]

107. is anyone still here?

isn't 15 minutes up.

227 nays to 206

[malaise]

109. They're reconsidering

Damn!

[paparush]

111. Motion to reconsider failed and they are moving on.

[bdamomma]

110. callers to C Span are saying the this is the repigs fault.

[seemslikeadream]

116. good