This bailout is a trap for the Democrats!!

[realitythink]

All the Rethugs are going to vote against it. You can see it happening right now on C-Span. If the dems pass it without rethugs on board they are toast!! Is W falling on his sword for his party and McCain?

All callers to C-Span are pissed about this bill. This is bizarre.

[livelongandprosper]

1. Too late. Yesterday the House Repubs said they would vote for it n/t.

[ShortnFiery]

6. They won't. I don't think so. We are f**ked. It's best to do nothing than to act rashly. eom

[livelongandprosper]

11. They will. Stop being so paranoid.

Even if they don't vote for it and even if they are not punished for their flip flop they still cannot use this bill against the Dems as most people blame the Repubs for this crisis.

[screembloodymurder]

15. You are so wrong.

They are committing political suicide. They should vote one for one and only after the Republican vote.

[livelongandprosper]

17. You're so concerned about a big fat nothing n/t

[screembloodymurder]

33. Yep.

That's why I'm responding to you.

[TexasObserver]

40. NO, they won't vote for it. They'll oppose it, and then use it politically.

They'll hang Bush and Wall Street around our party, which has stupidly pushed this bill in spite of widespread opposition from the voting populace. There will not be even half the House GOP reps that vote for this bill.

This may give McCain the one chance he has to win.

[YOY]

2. Sorry but there's only one person/muppet that I trust to let me know of such things...

[ShortnFiery]

3. Dammit! Frank is such a useful IDIOT for the republican agenda.

:grr: :nuke:

[screembloodymurder]

16. Get him off the stage.

Frank STFU!

[girl gone mad]

4. It could happen. We'll see. n/t

[still_one]

5. and who wins if there is a total financial meltdown because it doesn't pass?

If there is a complete loss of liquidity in the system, that is exactly what will happen

[ShortnFiery]

7. Newsflash: There WILL be a financial meltdown with or without this SCAM for the Wealthy. eom

[cali]

13. newsflash: As my ex said yesterday, no one has a clue

but then he's only got advanced degrees in economic and accounting and he's only been chasing down large corporations who cheat the government for 30 years. A genius like you certainly knows better.

[ShortnFiery]

21. No, you can defer to "genius" while I'll BANK on "history." eom

[still_one]

31. The reason the great depression was so bad was because of lack of liquidity

The hitory you are banking on is another deep and long great depression

I would rather not

[rockymountaindem]

44. Exactly

With all the talk about the Depression going on here, you would hope that people might realize that the Depression was as bad as it was because of a *lack* of action.

[RoyGBiv]

39. History isn't on your side here. n/t

[Tallison]

8. I'm ready to give up on driving this home to people

The indignant ignorance is exhausting.

[ShortnFiery]

9. Yeah, enjoy knowing that the wealthy are being served in Paraguay while we live in abject poverty.

:(

[Tallison]

14. If I 'enjoyed' or supported economic inequity, why would I be here, on DEMOCRATIC Underground? nt

[ShortnFiery]

26. I fear you are being sold "a pig in a poke." With respect, this is a bad idea. eom

[Midlodemocrat]

12. I agree with you. It is exhausting.

The chicken littles are making things extremely difficult. Probably not a bad idea to log off for the day.

[Tallison]

18. You're right.

I'm down to the second to last day of my vacation, during which I swore I'd finish the Tibetan Book of Living and Dying.

Signing off! :hi:

[snappyturtle]

20. A little tidbit I heard this morning on MSNBC's Joe (ick) in the Morning;

it was Jim Cramer (another ick)who said that some companies will not partake of this "program" of the bailout because they don't like the lid on the top dogs' salaries at $500,000--if higher than that, the company cannot deduct. He threw his hands in the air. To me, if companies will forego this bailout because of the salary thing, then I doubt we need this plan.

[Tallison]

37. If companies forgo it, they're strong enough to weather the markets

Companies who need it will avail themselves of Federal help whatever the cost.

[snappyturtle]

46. Yes, I understand this however, to listen to the talking heads, be they

governmental or msm pundits, you'd think EVERY financial institution is in dire straights.

[still_one]

32. I agree, I just hope Cogress provides the liquidity or we are screwed /nt

[lib2DaBone]

28. We are being lied to.. there are many alternatives that can be done

.. if they were serious about solving this crisis.. they would simply pass a law that freezes foreclosures and allows the govt to bargain with the mortgage holders.

[dkofos]

30. The same people that caused this in the first place.

But they get the advantage of a soft landing due to their golden parachutes.

[cali]

10. don't know much about how this stuff works, huh?

Pelosi wouldn't be holding the vote if she didn't have assurances that at least half the puke caucus is on board. She made that crystal clear.

[ShortnFiery]

22. Yes, I have the warm fuzzies that Nancy "Impeachment is off of the table" Pelosi in charge.

:eyes:

[cali]

29. lol.

you really don't know jackshit about how these things work. Clue: It's not just Pelosi, dearie. Boehner and Blunt are on board. Adam Putnam that cretin has already voiced support for this mess. It's a done deal.

[screembloodymurder]

19. Anyone who votes yea is on my shit list.

I'm going to vote for Obama but go independent where I can.

[ShortnFiery]

24. I'm with you. I will not forget this deceit. It's not Ds vs. Rs - but Class Warfare. eom

[Supersedeas]

35. like Economic Terrorism -- Fat Cat Bankers holding Democracy and the American People hostage

[lib2DaBone]

23. Also watching C-Span... this is BIZARRE!

Why are the DEMS supporting this Bill? The Repugs are against it... for a cooling off period. Why don't the Dems just cut-their-own-wrists... it would be quicker?

[alcibiades_mystery]

25. Is it a ROOOOOOVVVVVIAN TRAP????

:eyes:

[ShortnFiery]

27. If there is no money in the USA, then Caryle, et. al. Corporate Megaconglomerates = One World Order.

[alcibiades_mystery]

34. Oy gewalt

Get a grip.

[RoyGBiv]

41. Why is it ....

Whenever I hear "Rove" anymore I start seeing Pennywise in my head. And right here I just saw "We all FLOOOOAAT down here..." :-)

He's like the mother of all boogeymen or something.

It's bizarre.

[WVRICK13]

36. Too Many Questions

I am uncomfortable with politicians of either party making these kinds of decisions based on information from political appointees from the very industry that is falling apart. We need to demand the time to get input from the worlds leading economists. We also, need to define the goal of this bill. Are we trying to save some large banks or are we trying to save the economy? The actions required may differ dramatically. We ned answers and a more defined problem with a defined desired outcome. We have a government running around like the building is on fire but no one has addressed the core of the problem.

[iheartmulletz]

38. Man, this totally confuses me...the way some Repubs and 99% of the public is against the bailout

and yet Bush and the Dems (and some Repubs) are for it! The dividing line is like totally blurry.

I always think it's suspect to do something out of a fearful place. Being rash is being foolish, in most instances. I don't see how this situation is going to be improved by throwing more money at it. Unless things change at a fundamental level, it is just a quick fix, IMO.

[OllieLotte]

42. I don't understand this either.

I would expect the Dems to oppose the bill put forth by Bush and the Repubs to support it. Totally the opposite and the Dems have enough votes to pass it (I think) yet it seems to be stuck. Go figure.

[iheartmulletz]

43. It makes me believe in the Illuminati even more...:(

Part of their supposed illusion is to even have 'sides.' There are no sides! Even the most ardent patriots don't really care about this country! How could you encourage jobs to go overseas and yet claim to love America and want it to thrive? They don't want everything to be okay because it's easier to control people when their backs are up against the wall. Think about that report by someone on here that they are preparing for civil unrest!

[earth mom]

45. I agree it's bizarre. I'm listening to cspan-Rethugs are against it, Dems for it.

:wtf:

:crazy: