All of a sudden 50-100 Billion for Universal Healthcare doesn't seem so bad, does it?

[Poll_Blind]

I mean, hell, let's pump 700+ Billion into financial institutions which are are not and have not exercised sound financial practices. That goddamned deal's probably getting worked out in less than 3 weeks.

It's funny though, how when it comes to insuring every American, or every uninsured American, 50-100 Billion annually is just beyond the pale. And months of haggling and deal making probably to get half that.

Fuck that! God, it really is wholesale usurpation from the American taxpaying public.

And another thing- man I just get gladder and gladder that the insane idea of putting our retirement funds in the markets went over like a lead balloon! It's going to get very bad out there but can you imagine how much worse it would be by now if we had?

PB

[billyoc]

1. Class warfare!

:rofl:

[WhollyHeretic]

2. I am a huge proponent of universal healthcare. But it will be a lot more than that a year.

That would be $150-$300 a person. That is not nearly enough. Your looking at more like 1 trillion

[bobbolink]

4. And you get your figures.... where?

[WhollyHeretic]

6. From reality. Do you think that universal health care will cost $150 a person?

That's what the OPs numbers work out to, $150-$300 a person. If we had the French system it would cost us about 700 Billion. I guess it should be under a trillion but still fairly close.

[bobbolink]

8. I repeat.... where are your figures from?

[WhollyHeretic]

10. Do you really think that $150-$300 a person would cut it?

Here is an NPR article from this year. They have the number at $3300 a person which put it at 1 trillion for the US. The last number I had seen was $2300, I'm guessing costs have risen there plus the crappy exchange rate brought it up to $3300 USD. That is still a tremendous savings over what the US currently spends which is ~2 trillion (you can look that number up yourself).

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=92419273

[MidwestTransplant]

3. Look how much Iraq costs.

[Oregone]

5. Here is a cynical thought.......

Very cynical....


What if this is a 'gift' to the democrats, such that they will not need to implement UHC now? They can blame the economy for not implementing any new social policies? Therefore, they can always use such for election time issues?

Just like, what if the 'surge' was a gift for the democrats, who ran on the concept of withdrawing from Iraq, but as soon as they were elected, they shifted to just being able to criticize the surge?

What I am getting at is, what if this is all just a chirade. Each party plays into eachother's hand occasionally, such that, it allows the party a get-out-of-jail-free card when they are in power. Then, every 4 to 8 years, the other party wins on their platfor that they never implement (guns/gays/religion). One election cycle, half the population is happy, the next, the other is. This process keeps everyone passified while the powers that be continue to rape us?

What if UHC is only an election time issue (something that has been part of the Democratic platform since Harry Truman put it there, and still hasn't passed).

What if everyone is getting played, while our dough is getting siphoned up top for another century?

Just a thought. Sometimes it seems like no one is actually on my side.

[galileoreloaded]

7. I wish there was a smilie of someone touching their nose.....n/t

[L. Coyote]

9. They want $7,000 per taxpayer for just this ONE bailout!

Wouldn't paying the taxperyers $7,000 each solve liquidity problems?
Then, the taxpayers would at least be paying interest on something they got!