I tend to lean this way...

[RagAss]

"We live entirely on surfaces, and everything we do is superficial. However deeply we cut into anything, dig into the earth, or however much we break up any material object, we never find anything but surfaces.

From birth to death we never see the inside of anything, for whatever we do, and whichever way we turn, our senses are met by surfaces.

For surfaces are tridimensional, as are our senses and no doubt as a result of our senses. The fourth dimension is within. Inside anything is the fourth dimension. The fourth dimension is ubiquitous, it is omnipresent, immanent, it is not something speculative, an unnecessary conjecture, a dubious theory: every portion of everything that exists, or appears to exist, must have an in-side as well as an out-side, and the fourth dimension is that in-side of everything that we know.

Besides, where does everything 'come from'? Trees do not grow from nowhere. All growth, all development, all coming-into-manifestation is surely from where the subject is but from a dimension that we are not able to perceive sensorially."

Wei Wu Wei
"Fingers Pointing Towards the Moon" - 1958

[El Pinko]

1. That's an awesome passage.

Thanks for posting! :toast:

[skooooo]

4. Bubbles would grok it totally!

Yay Bubbles!

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

2. This is why maya is transient

We are looking only at illusion. Only That (what Wei calls the fourth dimension) exists. That is why many say "There is nothing but That".

[skooooo]

3. interesting thought

Thanks for posting!