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galileoreloaded Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 02:18 PM
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Economic Armageddon, the storm has arrived, and what to do for yourself.
As I post here from the beach in Mexico, incidentally where I have VERY recently begun to emigrate myself and family to, I hope you will listen to an old hat in economics and investment banking.

I am watching the news and want to add a little clarity to the many posts asking what the hell is going on. I will try to put it in a nutshell.

First, the powers that be have no clue what to do, because they allowed the "system" to outpace their ability to understand it's complexity. This is evidenced by the deluge of corporate bail outs and well documented illegal acts by this FED and Treasury to plug the hole(s), and this astonishing admission by our own Harry Reid. When I say illegal, I don't mean constitutional, I mean breaking current Federal reserve act guidelines and established laws.




"Reid Says Congress Won't Act Because `No One Knows What to Do'

By James Rowley

Sept. 17 (Bloomberg) -- Congress is unlikely to pass new legislation to overhaul financial regulations this year ``because no one knows what to do,'' Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid told reporters today.

``We are in new territory, this is a different game,'' Reid said at a briefing in Washington. Neither Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke nor Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson ``know what to do but they are trying to come up with ideas,'' Reid said."


The reality is that our banking and finance system is completely insolvent, and the days you see the market UP, are the generally the day after the FED pumps in more inflated cash, and the money goes to work, suckering in normal folks to only pull that money off the table a day later. This is how they are covering the losses by utilizing the single strongest capital base, the American consumer.

As we evidence the Russian market collapse, and the 30-40% retractions in China and other Asian economies, a disturbing pattern emerges. I wont get into fund flows and "hot money", but be sure that most money that the pro's AREN'T WILLING TO LOSE is off the tables. That leaves the only people in the market to absorb the majority of losses. That's you. And every pension fund, mutual fund, etc. Oh, cant forget the "safe" money market funds. These will be wiped out in very short order, and in fact, money markets are already starting to halt redemptions.


Money market giant freezes redemptions
By Sam Mamudi
Last update: 5:19 p.m. EDT Sept. 16, 2008
Comments: 101
NEW YORK (MarketWatch) -- One of the first and largest money market funds has put a seven-day freeze on redemptions after the net asset value of its shares fell below $1.00,Primary Fund, a $62 billion fund managed by money market fund inventor The Reserve, said Tuesday afternoon that its $785 million holding of Lehman Brothers Holdings debt has been valued at zero. As of 4 p.m., the value of the fund's share is 97 cents. The Reserve said that redemption requests received before 3 p.m. Tuesday will be paid out at $1 a share.


Unfortunately, this will not end well for any of us, and if it was me, a physical cash position would be advisable for the next 2 years or so. Also, if you bought a house in the last 4 years, no one will think differently if you just stop paying. In fact, if you can save the rent or mortgage payment over that period, the recent talk of a renewel of RTC will probably allow you to buy your old house back at 30-40 cents on today's value. Credit cards??? Buy stuff. Stuff with value, not dinner out. Things like water filters, long term food storage, extra set of tires for a cheap paid off vehicle, a scooter that gets 90 MPG, prepay your water bill and electric bill for as long as you can. Subsistence will be the name of the game.

A note on security. Things will probably get very third world around Christmas, and most newly minted "wolves" won't be the poor of today, but the newly poor. Those unwilling to accept the massive decrease in their personal standard of living. These will be people that are used to making a good living and are not afraid of taking risks, especially if local officials can be "coaxed" into compliance by cold hard cash. Times like these give rise to organized crime, smuggling, and petty crime (home invasions, etc.)
Precautions should be taken, and alert observation will be very helpful.

This is where you say, "is this guy a kooky survivalist or something?" No, actually I grew up on a farm in the Midwest, but harsh reality makes one think about ALL preconceptions, and the blunt truth is that when seconds count, the police are minutes or half an hour away.

I will share more later, things are moving so quickly that I have to get back to my real job.

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magellan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 02:36 PM
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1. Wow, very disturbing
...but if it happens it won't be unexpected from where I'm sitting. I know nothing more about the economy than what I've learned here over the last four years, and virtually every big hit that was warned about happened. Mortgage/credit crisis, inflation, unemployment, collapse of financial institutions....

I hope I don't need to add you to the list of prescient souls here.

Thanks (I think) and welcome to DU.
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 02:52 PM
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2. Quote ""Reid Says Congress Won't Act Because `No One Knows What to Do'
Hint: Start impeachment hearings :shrug:
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eowyn_of_rohan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 04:12 PM
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8. Start filing criminal charges
before they flee to Paraguay
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agent46 Donating Member (424 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 02:58 PM
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3. Game over. Game over. Game over.
Is that a sign I see blinking on the arcade screen? Is the free-market pigfest running out of quarters? Tell me it's not so!!!

:sarcasm:
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liberalla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 03:14 PM
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4. I hope you keep posting with more info/suggestions
Doesn't sound kooky to me. I've been reading George Ure's site, UrbanSurvival.com for almost 4 years. It used to spook me, but no more. I've got to run, but I'll be checking back. Welcome to DU!
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dbt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 03:27 PM
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5. Kick and Rec!
I, too, hope you post more like this. "Big darkness soon come."

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IDemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 03:41 PM
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6. While all that may be true, I wouldn't count on the safety of a Mexican beach
Edited on Wed Sep-17-08 03:47 PM by IDemo
Regardless of whether one is a believer in 'Peak Oil' or not, a large percentage of Mexico's revenues come from the state-owned PEMEX oil corporation, which is losing output at a rapid pace due to the collapse (not decline, collapse) of the Cantarell field. I suspect chaos in Mexico will occur within the next 2 - 4 years, all other economic factors aside.

http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article6106.html

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galileoreloaded Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 08:03 PM
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15. While I appreciate your concern, Mexico has a lot to offer.
Lets be honest, I pay 1.50 @ Pemex for 91 oct. gas, and 2.00 for diesel, so it will take a quite a few years for that to equalize to demand. Also, ultra high mileage VW/Audi/Benz diesel tech is here and now, as opacity is hardly regulated vs. the US. I pay NOTHING to drive. Seriously, nothing. $11.00 a week, 400 miles. Passat gets 60 MPG.
Food is 50% cheaper. Same food and produce that is in US supermarkets. Grown in same fields. You get salmonella, we get salmonella, FDA is kinda irrelevant at this point anymore, sadly. Medical/Dental care is MUCH better for everyday stuff (dr visit to a guy trained at UCLA, perscriptions, honest to god CAT scan, all top of the line, $25 bucks tops), and catastrophic transport/hospitalization policy to U of A in Tucson, is $800 a year for a family of four, via air ambulance. My kids are learning to be bilingual. They are learning multicultural skills most Americans NEVER get. 2000 SF house costs $800 a month, oceanfront. Private school in English costs 200 a month, and is taught by expats, and is far superior to ANY US school they have attended. They learn much about affluence and poverty, as Mexico doesn't insulate like the states.
The people are great, and we live very well on $20,000 US. Can be across the border in 1 hour.
I completely understand your sentiment, though, and honestly appreciate your analysis. I am sure it is not for everybody, but I suspect the retired expat from the states will be here more and more as the conditions there deteriorate, and the US becomes less "safe".
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Habibi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 08:36 PM
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18. Wow. Sounds wonderful.
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libertypirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 03:55 PM
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7. It might be time to take a sledge hammer to stale economic sectors
and move their value into growth sectors.

The reason why it is failing is simply a lack of innovation which is primarily the check that balances the tendency towards large stale economic sectors.

Anyone see that NASA is selling intellectual property to the highest bidders. So instead of relying on the innovators who react quickly to new technology they sell the technology to the corporate animals who tend to sit on innovation that cuts into their profits.

We have to have innovation that kills the old economics, there is no other way out of this mess. You can move the value around all you want, it doesn't change that it is base on an old perception that no longer reflects reality. Oh and I have never heard of jobs being created without the driving force being innovation.

2cents
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Winterblues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 04:48 PM
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9. Are you really Bush* telling us to "go shopping"?
I suspect you are fairly close to being on the money.
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galileoreloaded Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 07:32 PM
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10. Ha! Sadly no. Too smart for politics. n/t
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Hugabear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 07:37 PM
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11. Did you have any problems emigrating to Mexico?
The rethugs would have us believe that it's next to impossible for foreigners to immigrate to Mexico, using that as an excuse for their xenophobic policies.
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galileoreloaded Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 08:13 PM
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16. Free zone. No visa required. So easy, it would make you cry.....
Step 1. Get in car.
Step 2. Drive to many "free zone" cities.
Step 3. Pay 10% for your furnishings, keep states car license etc. (you will need Address)
Step 4. Rent house. Move in. Go to beach.

Seriously that easy. Little trickier if you need a job, but if you can telecommute like me, Direct deposit in states, withdraw down here in pesos. (FYI, strengthening against dollar) Pay US taxes. Impossible to get a work visa here, but SIMPLE to start a small business. Like pathetically simple.
IM and I can share more.
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YouandI Donating Member (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 07:39 PM
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12. My friends are losing money on their 401K
I never signed up for the plan, because my income is very limited, but my wealthier friends are complaining that they have lost thousands of dollars in the wake of this stock meltdown.
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akwapez Donating Member (342 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 07:41 PM
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13. bear with me as I am an economically-challenged
But, I am intrigued by your suggestions that we should default on mortgages and run up credit cards. It seems for that no not back-fire we would have to end up in the most dire of dire situations.
It feels almost like canceling life insurance from your deathbed.
Can you elaborate on your thoughts in this respect?
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galileoreloaded Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 08:30 PM
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17. Well, here is the thing. I don't like to be the last guy to ANY party...
and my analysis, like other pretty astute people I collaborate with seem to point to a repudiation of US debt. Wholesale. Probably through rapid inflation or hyperinflation. Fits alot of funny bookkeeping, statistical manipulation, etc. as the only real scenario for a sun setting empire. I have been criticized here for suggesting that 1930's or 1960's ideas won't solve insolvency, but it is true, and TPTB are betting people are too absorbed to read a really dry metric heavy book on "1500's economic theories of the Medici" (FYI, the group credited with the development of credit were the Italian banker family, the Medici. This evolved into the Bank of Italia, and then Bank of America.) That being said, we are witnessing the rapid implosion of every asset class, and currency. It is not GOING to happen, it is here and now. It comes down to this, really. Whats more important, an overpriced house with dissolving equity, when there are MILLIONS, or cash in hand when there is very little. It won't be a matter of IF most people default, just when. And the bankers that are teaching us to do this are the same bankers getting massive bailouts for their defaults. I hate being late to a party.
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sarcasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 09:24 PM
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20. One large Ponzi Scheme that is finally crumbling.
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anarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 07:52 PM
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14. I unfortunately have already been forced into this position by the economy
It's been a couple years...wound up using the credit card for things like utilities, groceries, medical care. At least I'm "strategically positioned" as far as my "financial portfolio". LOL At least I borrowed all that money at a higher value than that at which I'm supposed to pay it back.

But no Mexican beach for me...not yet anyway.
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 09:03 PM
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19. You and me both. I've been unemployed for over two months now
and live off my home equity line. I'm not sure what to do at this point, but at least I'm glad I sold all my stock in January to help pay down my debts!
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-08 12:01 PM
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21. Glad I saw your post....
I agree...shit is going to hit the fan. I am purchasing protection and getting a passport...just in case.

I also want hand-cranked tools....a coffee grinder in particular. I have to have coffee in the morning!

Please write more.

I, too, grew up in the Midwest...on a farm whose family lived in the Great Depression. This will be The GreatER Depression.
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