If the doom and gloom is set to really hit the fan today...

[OneGrassRoot]

does that mean we will be seeing who is complicit in this destruction of government?

It sounds like things are so bad that it is indeed revolution time...from within, from those who are in a position to do the right thing and at least try to stop the demise of this country: politicians and media.

If we don't see a major pushback, "politics as usual" be damned, can we assume we're being played by both sides -- all sides?

It's a legitimate question. We talk issues and have the goal of electing Obama-Biden in order to stave off disaster, but if disaster is here (seems like it got out of control; I'm sure they wanted it to wait until after November 4th), and we don't hear our side -- or the media -- sounding a very, very loud alarm bell to do something NOW, what must we glean from that?

I'm all for external revolution as well, but it will be interesting to see if there is a revolution inside the Beltway.


P.S. Sounds like it may be the PERFECT time for Bill Clinton to step up in a very, very visible way -- alongside Barack - to provide the contrast we find ourselves in now, economically, to when he was President. Show people it CAN get better, but we have to act NOW.

[lapfog_1]

1. I expect that the measures taken yesterday

to trade debt around, buy out Merrill, and create a $50B fund to insulate the banks from the Lehman failure will work for the most part... at least until the election.

Dow down only a couple of hundred... huge selloff in the morning followed by a rally around noon time.

[TheWatcher]

2. Sadly you might be correct.

But what people really need to do is IGNORE the bullshit carnival on Wall Street, and pay attention to Main Street.

The system is already broken, and the carnival barkers that are running the circus seem to have one function left. To convince the herd that everything is fine, will be fine, and that there is nothing to see here.

They have to keep up the ILLUSION that everything is still functioning normally, as it always has.

There is simply no way this isn't going to affect the average person.

What amazes me is the complete mesmerization of the public that just looks on with glazed-over, half-interested stares like it's no big deal.

Sometimes I get the feeling that if an Asteroid hit this country, everyone would still believe everything is fine and attempt to go on like normal.

[OneGrassRoot]

4. If the TV said everything was normal, that's what they'd do, no doubt. n/t

[asteroid2003QQ47]

16. I didn't do it!

Destroy (Re-destroy?) the country after the fact? Why bother,
anyway, the Republicans are a tough act to follow! ;-)

[OneGrassRoot]

17. CALL THE F*CKING CONGRESS RIGHT NOW!!!!!

:rofl:

asteroid2003QQ47 DID IT!!!!


:rofl:

[asteroid2003QQ47]

18. Then forgive me?

. . . >"Pick up the gun." "Mister, I don't want no trouble. I just came downtown here to get some hard rock candy for my kids, some gingham for my wife. I don't even know what gingham is, but she goes through about ten rolls a week of that stuff. I ain't looking for no trouble, Mister." <. . .

--the late, great Bill Hicks.

"Do it to Julia! Do it to Julia! Not me! Julia!
--Winston Smith

You are hard, timeforarevolution.
---------------------------------------------
Lady in news conference: I work three jobs.
George W. Bush: You work three jobs? Uniquely American, isn't it,
I mean that is fantastic.

[napi21]

3. I think Barack should talk about the COLLAPSE of our financial

markets BECAUSE Shrub & the Pubs have "given they the total freedom they wanted" without regulation! What I would say is "The Pubs asked you to give them total control of what was our Democracy, and they would show you just HOW THINGS SHOULD BE DONE. Remove all those controls on the markets, and let Capitalism work! Well, we all see just how well THAT WORKED, haven't we!" Dump this mess right in McNuts lap!

[OneGrassRoot]

5. I agree....SHOUT IT OUT

I know it isn't politically expedient to say "So, how do you think Reaganomics is working now? Has anything trickled down to YOU?" but they really need to say things very, very clearly, and very, VERY LOUDLY, and call the media out for the same complicitness in the corporatocracy.

Seriously, if collapse is here, political strategy be damned! I mean, shit, if Alan Greenspan said the economy is the worst he's seen in his entire career, doesn't that leave the door open for SHOUTING SOME TRUTHS, even to the point of calling a press conference to call out the media for their complicitness, with a call to arms for those who are true patriots to come forward and work together to shift this crisis?

[BR_Parkway]

6. Totally agree - but have to think some campaign staffer is telling

him to speak carefully - so as not to induce a panic or something.

Absolutely we need reform, but at the same time I want a leader who can act with the appropriate seriousness at the right time. Whether its being a reassuring voice after a catastrophe or a very firm voice across a negotiating table when we're talking about nukes or treaties - I certainly don't want any more of this half-baked cowboy crap.

[OneGrassRoot]

7. Yes, I know. Even if Obama isn't the one SHOUTING, someone in a very...

visible position in the campaign needs to start calling out some REAL truths about what has been done to this country.

20% of the people will never believe it anyway (the extent of the corruption and manipulation to intentionally destroy the citizenry), but others who can think will see it as truth and be grateful for the dose of realism in a surreal media-manipulated world.

[napi21]

8. Maybe the better idea is that Obama promote his plan for a fix, and

Biden call them out for this REPUBLICAN MESS! #1, Biden is much better at that kind of thing than Barack is. I can honestly close my eyes and hear Joe saying "Hey, how's that unrestrained market capitalism working for ya now folks? Well, thank Ronald Reagan, GH Bush & Shrub!"

[OneGrassRoot]

12. But as was noted below, how have his votes contributed? Regardless...

it's even time to be honest about that, as NOTHING the dems have done is as damaging as the last eight years of Bushco.

No one is without sin, but their sins weren't with the intent to destroy this country, as is the case with Bushco, IMHO.

[northernlights]

9. actually now is not a good time for Bill to step up

I always thought he'd vetoed the repeal of Glass-Steagall. Now I read he championed it. The financial meltdown is payment in part for the boom of the 90s.

Go check out the financial forum. In many cases the new dems have been complicit in the deregulation that has wrought this mess.

I do agree that the next few weeks are the moment for Obama to step up and start talking about the need for those evil regulations. Although it seems rather like rebuilding a barn door long after the herd of horses has made their run for it.

[OneGrassRoot]

11. Thanks for that. I think we all now see there is plenty of fault...

on both sides of the aisle. I do need to read about Glass-Steagall.

Regardless of how they contributed to this, Democrats need to show they are true patriots now and do the right thing.

Thanks again. :)

[Vinca]

10. Now is the time to talk about the amazing lack of knowledge

of the problems of this economy on the Republican side. It would not be a bad time for Obama to announce an "economy czar." Actually, he could pull a fast one and announce an "economy team" with members from both parties. What would happen if Mittens signed on? :rofl:

[OneGrassRoot]

13. Ooooooh...... maybe even Greenspan can have a mea culpa moment ...

and sign on.

How about an entire SAVE AMERICA FROM BUSHCO DESTRUCTION TEAM. :) Even those involved in poor decisions which led to where we are can redeem themselves (are at least start to) by truly putting COUNTRY FIRST and owning up to the criminal truths of this administration, to be continued by McPalin.

[elizfeelinggreat]

14. did you see this?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x4003127

[OneGrassRoot]

15. I've read several of his statements this morning, since posting this...

and it's a GREAT START!!!

(emoticons aren't inserting...imagine me clapping here...lol)

Thanks!