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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 03:26 PM
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If you have eyeballs, you MUST READ THIS!!! "The Crash Course"
Edited on Sun Aug-24-08 03:37 PM by Texas Explorer
http://www.chrismartenson.com/three_beliefs">The Crash Course (Video)

I don't know what to say at the moment. Watch and discuss.

Jee-eeez-us!
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panader0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 03:35 PM
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1. Man, I waited five minutes for that to load of my dial-up
only to find that it's a VIDEO, that would take me a half hour to download.
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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 03:40 PM
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3. My apologies. I've noted that it's a video in my OP. This is important
information that everyone needs to hear no matter what. You can see a text version here: http://www.chrismartenson.com/EssentialArticles

If you disagree with what Chris Martensen has to say, I'd be interested in hearing about it.
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 03:38 PM
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2. Go to the website, read carefully.
Dude's an insurance salesman. Slick, though.
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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 03:42 PM
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4. He could be a plumber (no offense to plumbers)...
Is the information he's conveying accurate or not?

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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 03:45 PM
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5. I have no idea.
My point is, he's selling something. When people are selling something you should always maintain a healthy level of skepticism. His information might be entirely accurate, OR it could be simply a hook to get you to buy something.
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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 03:50 PM
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7. You do have a point. I am interested in the presentation and whether
or not DUers who watch see it as an accurate assessment of the topics he addresses and what it means for the future.

On a side note, information provided to back the sale of a product doesn't always default to being suspect. In fact, information provided to back the sale of pharmaceutical drugs saves lives daily. Just sayin'.
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movonne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 04:58 PM
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10. Well I got up to chapter 13 and will finish later...but it sure sounds
like what is happening to me...he maybe a salesman but every sale does not have to be bogus..as far as I got it sure looks like what has been going on..
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skids Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 05:19 PM
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11. It's partially accurate...

So far I've watched half of it.

The inaccuracies so far:

1) An exponential graph is not a "hockey stick." The term hockey stick, used correctly, is a graph where there's a change in the function being graphed. Just a plain exponential graph looks like this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Exp.svg

There is no "vertical section" of the graph. If you zoomed out on the graph, the numbers on the sides would change, but a pure exponential function would stay in the same place no matter how much you zoomed in or out.

2) He neglects to mention that banks can be repayed in assets other than money, for example, when a bank buys a building, or pays its own employees for their labor. This is one mechanism that money can be repayed without more money being created by the FED.

3) He neglects to mention that when the FED loans money, what is supposed to happen is that the money is repayed with interest, and that interest disappears so overall money gets destroyed by that process, which is why it is called a repo (reposession.)

However

1) It may not be a hockey stick but he's right about exponential functions and humans not being able to cope with them. Heck, we can't even cope with polynomials. Try setting a powerful magnet down on your refrigerator without letting it snap. It takes practice because our muscles/brains are mostly evolved to deal with proportional responses, not square law, and especially not exponential.

2) He's dead on about war causing inflation. Mostly because of all the stuff it destroys. The reason why the current wars are cheaper per-capita than previous ones is merely because the weapons have a better bang for the buck. However, they are just as inflationary because they are causing a lot more destruction. The most direct connection to the destruction "over there" to the inflation over here is the removal of Iraq's oil from the marketplace, which is arguably intentional on Cheney's part. It's this destruction which prevents enough wealth from being created to repay the banks without the need for cash.

3) The FED can keep making more loans than the interest on it's previous loans collects, so more and more repos in circulation can increase the money supply over the short term. And they can take riskier assets as collateral. They've been doing both.

That said, there are opinions to the contrary that the current collapse will paradoxically result in deflation. That's what happens when defaults pile up and the FED is eventually repaid over time -- money evaporates because that chain of loans starts to unwind. However for the former to happen we'd have to create wealth (non-consumable product or a sustainable supply of consumable product) to cover the defaults, and for the latter to happen the FED would have to start behaving itself and raise rates.

So the best advice is always to diversify your investments so when one section collapses you can sell from a well performing part of your portfolio to cover the loss by buying in again at a lower price after the crash. Don't invest all of it in gold or precious metals. In addition, do keep in mind that you cannot eat gold. It has always held value but it's an entirely cultural phenomena that it is considered valuable and not just a shiny rock. That could change rapidly if society finds itself under so much stress. Other solid property can be more stably valuable, it is just harder to store is all. I recommend canned food, vitamins, certain medical supplies, and tools. Things that keep for a long time and which you will eventually use or can sell to someone that has a use for them, but things from industries unlike computers where moores law isn't making them obsolete every several years.


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Frosty1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 06:23 PM
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12. What is he selling?
He appears to be giving it away.

: Dr. Chris Martenson... ... is the creator of The End of Money economic seminar series, has extensive experience analyzing and communicating financial information, and publishes a weekly newsletter on the economy and finance (located at http://theendofmoney.com). Dr. Martenson combines a scientist's attention to fact and analysis (PhD, Duke University, Pathology and Toxicology) with a solid understanding of finance and economics (MBA, Cornell, Finance) with strategic thinking (4 years as a management consultant).

He believes that corporate media has done a singularly poor job at providing the context necessary for us to have an informed discussion about economic issues. He believes that DC politicians cannot distinguish between what is urgent and what is merely expedient. He believes that We The People must educate ourselves and start a grassroots campaign, which will be as important as any ever waged, to chart a course back to fiscal and monetary prudence.

He believes that our current economic system has a gigantic and possibly fatal math problem – how can a monetary/economic system that must grow forever exist in a finite world? His past work has involved the development and oversight of $100M+ budgets, using portfolio decision tools to enhance governance & prioritization efforts, and investigating how neurons work.

He has been published in the scientific journal Nature, consulted to fortune 50 companies, and lectured extensively on economic and financial topics. He is currently devoted to researching, writing and presenting economic and financial analyses and is currently working on a related book & movie. Some would even say he is obsessed, possibly compulsive, but he prefers to think of himself as passionate. Of all the possible subjects out there, mismanagement of our economic future by our fiscal and monetary authorities has the greatest probability of making our futures quite divergent from our hopes and dreams. It will impact us all.


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grannie4peace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 03:49 PM
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6. iv'e been hearing this for months
Edited on Sun Aug-24-08 03:50 PM by grannie4peace
and i know there are groups of people who are converting their assets to silver and other valuable things. i was researching jobs in idaho when i came across the sunshine mint. they make all the silver money for the u s government. they also hold silver for people who have purchased it. last year (?) they were raided by the fbi. if anyone is interested i can find the news article.
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Terry in Austin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 04:02 PM
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8. Spot on
His chapter on peak oil is factual and lucid. ("That dreaded slurping sound!")

Highly recommended as an intro to the subject.

Cuts through a lot of the crapola that people attribute to "the peak oil theory."

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endthewar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 04:12 PM
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9. The amount of change that takes place is never as much as people expect
Bush has effectively set us back big time. It'll take time just to dig out of this hole.
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