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go west young man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 01:51 AM
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Obama's foreign policy adviser mentioned in Der Spiegel article
titled: Vladimir Putin Takes on a Powerless West

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,572811,00.html

American Caucasus strategist Zbigniew Brzezinski has drawn parallels to Stalin and Hitler, equating the Russian invasion of a neighboring country with the Soviet winter war of 1940, when Moscow sought to undermine the sovereignty of small, sovereign Finland.




I guess we can expect the neocon agenda to carry on under an Obama administration as well. After all Brzezinski has a stake in the Azerbaijan oil deal as well. Lucky us.

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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 02:10 AM
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1. He's not Obama's FP Adviser! Did you say that, or did the article?
Why do people insist on perpetrating that?
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go west young man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 09:19 AM
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2. I would refer you to the Foreign Policy In Focus website.
http://www.fpif.org/fpiftxt/4940

From February 2008: Senator Barack Obama’s foreign policy advisers, who on average tend to be younger than those of the former first lady, include mainstream strategic analysts who have worked with previous Democratic administrations, such as former national security advisors Zbigniew Brzezinski and Anthony Lake, former assistant secretary of state Susan Rice, and former navy secretary Richard Danzig. They have also included some of the more enlightened and creative members of the Democratic Party establishment, such as Joseph Cirincione and Lawrence Korb of the Center for American Progress, and former counterterrorism czar Richard Clarke. His team also includes the noted human rights scholar and international law advocate Samantha Power - author of a recent New Yorker article on U.S. manipulation of the UN in post-invasion Iraq - and other liberal academics. Some of his advisors, however, have particularly poor records on human rights and international law, such as retired General Merrill McPeak, a backer of Indonesia’s occupation of East Timor, and Dennis Ross, a supporter of Israel’s occupation of the West Bank.

If anything has changed recently it may be only for political reasons.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 09:54 AM
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3. Obama's Foreign Advisory team consists of :
Gregory Craig, Scott Gration, Ben Rhodes, Senator Obama, Richard Danzig, Denis McDonough, and Susan Rice.

Brzezinski is not an official advisor. Obama may get is input, as well as others', but they way people keep referring to Brzezinski as "Obama's Security Advisor" makes it sound like he's The Man. That's misleading.

http://www.nysun.com/national/obamas-brain-trust-taking-shape/71580/

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go west young man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 10:12 AM
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4. A paragraph from the article you listed.
And the campaign's wider circle includes two people, a former national security adviser to President Carter, Zbigniew Brzezinski, and a former President Clinton aide, Robert Malley, who have come under wider scrutiny. The campaign says the candidate has not spoken in the past four months with Mr. Brzezinski, who led a delegation in the Middle East that met with President Assad of Syria. As for Mr. Malley, the campaign says he is not a formal adviser, but has provided advice.


Personally I would think that it would be doubtful that he wasn't getting advise on all issues from him. I stated that politically Obama is probably trying to change that tune as it makes him look like Neo Con lite. But after Obama's remarks about Russia yesterday I would have to think that Brzezinksi's influence is all over his foreign policy.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 10:21 AM
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5. He's not a "formal adviser" - I heard him say that -- really make the point, on
TV. So referring to him that way makes it sound as though, like I said, he's The Man.

That being said, I'm sure he does get input from him.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't his statement reflective of US policy in such a situation? That we, being the leader in democracy :eyes: give support to other democracies around the world? I'm not saying this doesn't open the door for distasteful ramifications, but isn't that pretty much the U.S. line? And, he may have been sounding harsh to reassure the Reps that he can be tough.

Anyway, it's a mess. And we've brought much of it on ourselves. We never learn.





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go west young man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 02:58 PM
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6. The problem is that Zbrezinski's policy's are quite similar to the
Neocons. He has the same stance on Russia and he also sits on the BOD for the Azerbaijan Chamber of Commerce. http://www.usacc.org/contents.php?cid=2

Check out who he's hanging with at that link. He's heavily involved in the Cehyan pipeline running through Georgia. He is neocon lite and Obama's speech yesterday is probably a reflection of that. They want a new cold war. Democracy is fine. The way we are attempting to spread it is the problem. Especially when that "democracy" seems to benefit rich oil executives and a greedy psychotic few instead of the people of the so called democratic countries. Our foreign policy is the problem. Hence the reason South America has gone left. A greedy few stole their resources. The way Obama spoke about Russia yesterday was a terrible foreign policy blunder. The Neocons probably loved it though.
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