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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 11:38 PM
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New York Times: 52 Arrests, A $2 Million Payout, And Many Questions
Edited on Tue Aug-19-08 11:41 PM by Hissyspit
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/20/nyregion/20about.html?ref=nyregion

ABOUT NEW YORK
52 Arrests, a $2 Million Payout, and Many Questions

By JIM DWYER
Published: August 19, 2008

The city has agreed to pay $2,007,000 to end a lawsuit brought by 52 people who were swept up in a mass arrest along a Midtown sidewalk during a protest against the invasion of Iraq.

They were charged with blocking pedestrians, but videotapes show that at their most annoying, they might have slowed a few people carrying coffee into work. Public order did not seem to be in unusual danger that morning — certainly nothing that called for rounding up 52 people, or spending millions of dollars.

Only two people were tried; they were acquitted, and charges against the other 50 were dismissed.

The arrests were made on April 7, 2003, during the opening days of the invasion of Iraq and right after the city persuaded the Republican Party to hold its 2004 convention in New York. The people arrested said their rights to free speech had been abused, and sued the city and the police.

Now, five years later, the $2 million settlement is only part of the bonfire of legal expenses. And only some of the costs from this episode involve money.

Of the $2 million paid to the people who were arrested, $1,057,000 is for legal fees and expenses owed to their lawyers. The Law Department could not provide an estimate on Tuesday of how much it spent on the defense, said Laura Postiglione, a spokesman for Michael A. Cardozo, the city’s chief lawyer.

Just about every Tuesday and Thursday for over a year, witnesses were deposed under oath, part of the pretrial process in civil cases, according to Sarah Netburn, a lawyer with the firm Emery Celli Brinkerhoff Abady, which, along with the Center for Constitutional Rights, represented many of the people arrested that morning. The deposition transcripts cost over $100,000, said Matthew Brinkerhoff, another lawyer for the plaintiffs.

Among those deposed were 55 police officers and their supervisors. Between preparation and testimony, many would have lost two days of regular police work.

- snip -

But why were the arrests made in the first place?

That morning, two groups gathered on West 56th Street, outside the offices of an affiliate of the Carlyle Group, a private equity firm that has holdings in defense industries and employs many world figures, including the first President Bush.

One group of about 10 people planned to commit civil disobedience by sitting in front of the building, on the south side of 56th Street. The other group, of about 100 people, stood on the north side of the street, chanting.

Sarah Kunstler, 31, a lawyer and a filmmaker, said she had gone to see if there were possibilities of making a film about war protests. “I found out I could get arrested for absolutely no reason,” Ms. Kunstler said.

A film editor, Ahmad Shirazi, 70, said he was in the group on the north side of the street and had just finished speaking with reporters for the BBC when he saw officers beginning to mass.

“All of a sudden, from the Fifth Avenue side, a huge number of police officers entered 56th Street,” Mr. Shirazi said. “The protest was on the south side of the street. We were standing on the north side of the street. They came directly to us, they were in riot gear, and they surrounded us. They made a semicircle around us, shoulder to shoulder, with their batons.”

“Then they started arresting us, one by one. At that point, I got emotional — I could not believe in my country, in my city, I could get arrested for doing absolutely nothing and standing on the sidewalk,” Mr. Shirazi added. “My wife basically had to console me, say, ‘It’s O.K.’ ”

- snip -

Mr. Shirazi said that as he was being handcuffed for the first time in his life, he told the officer that the plastic cuffs were squeezing him. “He said, ‘You should have thought about that before you came out this morning.’ It was like a dagger in my heart, that a police officer of my city would come up with anything like that.”

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Drum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 11:49 PM
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1. K&R...pass it on!
:thumbsup:
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 11:51 PM
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2. Good news, this will make the police in Denver and St. Paul think
twice.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 12:28 AM
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3. The 'legacy' of Giuliani?
Fascist creeps.
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Jim Lane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 02:52 AM
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22. Giuliani had been out of office more than two years when this happened
He probably deserves some of the blame, but it's basically Bloomberg's fault.
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 12:43 AM
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4. Fascism. n/t
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 07:25 AM
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6. Well,,
Attempted fascism at best. If it were actual fascism, the city wouldn't be making financial restitution and the protesters would still be in jail.
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Wednesdays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 07:29 AM
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8. Whatever you want to call it,
it ain't American.
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 07:39 AM
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9. Well,
Actually, it is American. Variations of this have happened before, and likely will happen again.

Freedom ain't free ya know. :sarcasm:
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 10:36 AM
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16. Democracy is messy.
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Wednesdays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 07:27 AM
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7. Amen.
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Liberal_in_LA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 01:43 AM
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5. 5 years...that's a long time to wait for justice.
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KG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 07:40 AM
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10. but, y'know, we don't live in a police state...
:eyes:
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 07:48 AM
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12. I don't think police states pay out when their police fuck up. n/t
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Usrename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 10:25 AM
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14. Some people are easily confused by shiny objects.
The gullible will never believe it's really fascism if a large settlement is awarded. That's idiotic.
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 10:31 AM
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15. It was a stupid fucking move by the police.
Are any of the people they arrested in jail? No. Have any of the people they arrested been harassed for suing the government? No. Did they win their case? Yes. Police misconduct doesn't equal fascism.
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Usrename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 04:16 PM
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17. Maybe fascism is just plain stupidity.
Yeah, that's the ticket!
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The Wizard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 06:44 AM
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24. No one said
you had to be smart to carry a gun.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 10:48 AM
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28. A simple line you have there . . . but perhaps the greatest of truths in it --- !!!
It's kinda like what the lady from Bikini Island said after we dropped atomic
weapons on her island . . .

"Americans are really smart about really stupid things--"
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 05:46 PM
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20. Not so stupid if your goal was to intimidate future protesters from appearing in public.
Plus, I'd say that being arrested and taken to jail for doing nothing illegal IS A GROSS VIOLATION OF AMERICANS' BASIC RIGHTS.

If you've ever been involved in a suit you know that there is a lot of time required in preparation, depositions, hearings, etc. Do you not consider this a major disruption of one's life? As well as a financial drain on most working class Americans?

Did they win their case? Yes. Did the City of New York suffer for this? Probably not. After all it's just the taxpayers money.

Further, POLICE MISCONDUCT FOR STIFLING POLITICAL DISSENT DOES EQUAL FASCISM.

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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 04:17 AM
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23. Well...
Plus, I'd say that being arrested and taken to jail for doing nothing illegal IS A GROSS VIOLATION OF AMERICANS' BASIC RIGHTS.


Dude, that's why they got taken to court... AND LOST. The court agrees with both of us on this.


If you've ever been involved in a suit you know that there is a lot of time required in preparation, depositions, hearings, etc. Do you not consider this a major disruption of one's life? As well as a financial drain on most working class Americans?


Yes, but it's hard to see what other remedy one would use in a case like this.


Further, POLICE MISCONDUCT FOR STIFLING POLITICAL DISSENT DOES EQUAL FASCISM.


No it doesn't. By your standard every country in the world is fascist, because every country in the world experiences police misconduct.
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 09:17 PM
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31. yibbehobba, on your first point: the police are supposed to know what BREAKING A LAW IS versus
NOT BREAKING A LAW. That's SUPPOSED to mean that they do not arrest people and take them to jail when they are doing nothing that is illegal.

Their losing in court doesn't mean they are going to do the right thing next time.

Point two: It's not about whether there are other remedies. It's about the fact that the police arbitrarily selected these folks because of something other than a violation of the law, so the citizens had to endure all of the bullshit that accompanies legal proceedings, especially against bureaucracies with huge budgets. The average citizen cannot afford monetarily or for fear of losing his/her employment to be involved in something so risky as to cause undue hardship in his/her life. Whether they were compensated fairly for their stress, monetary losses, or whatever else is always going to be up to the whim of the judicial system. It's a huge gamble that I'm guessing most Americans are not going to be willing to take.

I assume there is no other remedy available to the average citizen, but I may be wrong.

Point three:"Police misconduct FOR STIFLING POLITICAL DISSENT". Not ordinary garden variety police misconduct like Tasering the life out of a "suspect". Here we're talking about using the police force as an arm of the government to discourage or stop expressions of dissent by citizens who are abiding by the law. A non-fascist use of the police in a situation like this would be to have them stand by as a neutral party that would only intervene in case there was lawbreaking that warranted arrests.

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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 08:35 AM
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25. Maybe it'll ultimately be paid for from oil profits who would have benefited from it..
I doubt they'll consider it money poorly spent.
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 07:45 AM
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11. under republico-fascist rule, our country has suffered
and is now almost unrecognizable.

:cry:
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 08:02 AM
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13. Denver is going to make NYC look like Disney World. Video clip
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 04:50 PM
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18. “I found out I could get arrested for absolutely no reason,” Ms. Kunstler said.
Jeebus, has this woman been living under a rock her entire life?

Hundreds of people get arrest for "absolutely no reason" every day in the US, anyone who does not know this is either a fool or naive almost beyond belief.

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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 05:04 PM
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19. And anyone who isn't upset by it should leave the country
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 08:38 PM
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21. .
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 09:09 AM
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26. America; the great fascist experiment.
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HuffleClaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 09:40 AM
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27. 2 million is not nearly enough
especially considering HALF is legal fees. i'm guessing each person will end up with about 20k, a paltry sum.
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 01:02 PM
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29. I HATE JOURNALISM LIKE THIS - within the article is this - "But why were the arrests made in
the first place?"

The &*&*^%&%*& WRITER and the NYY NEVER NEVER NEVER answered the question.

Hey! writer and Times - WHY DON"T YOU DO YOUR JOB AND ANSWER YOUR OWN QUESTION?

STUPIDITY AND EVASION - BIG TIME! What a farce of an article.

It was only story telling with two quotes from people who were not offered the chance to answer the question - OBVIOUSLY.
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 01:05 PM
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30. Perhaps Carlyle called the Police Comm and the Mayor. Probably HW or James B themselves.
How much more of this is in our future if Cheney and Cheneyites and stay in power and Carlyle retains their power.
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Piewhacket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 11:22 PM
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32. I hate this crap.
Who ordered officers to make arrests knowing these were without probable cause?
Find him. Fire him. Arrest him. Try him. Imprison him. Fine him. Revoke his pension.

Who aided, abetted, solicited, or conspired to have such arrests made in order to
interfere with a lawful assembly? Find them. Try them. Imprison them.

Who paid? The NY AG should recover the money from those responsible, including
all costs by the city and state.

Oh, yeah. free all political prisoners, rescind all Bush executive
orders, rescind all "regulations" implimented by federal agencies in the last 8 years,
end the war, impeach Scalia and Thomas, convene the war crimes tribunal, repeal the
Patriot Act and FISA, ... sigh.

While we are at it... hey, Mukasey can shove this up his Mukasey,
-----------
"Whoever, under color of any law, statute, ordinance, regulation, or custom, willfully
subjects any person in any State, Territory, Commonwealth, Possession, or District to
the deprivation of any rights, privileges, or immunities secured or protected by the
Constitution or laws of the United States, ... shall be fined under this title or
imprisoned not more than one year, or both; and if bodily injury results from the acts
committed in violation of this section or if such acts include the use, attempted use,
or threatened use of a dangerous weapon, explosives, or fire, shall be fined under
this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and if death results from
the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include kidnaping or an
attempt to kidnap, aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to commit aggravated sexual
abuse, or an attempt to kill, shall be fined under this title, or imprisoned for any
term of years or for life, or both, or may be sentenced to death." (18 USC 242)
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