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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 10:22 AM
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CSM: Cone of silence or no cone of silence?
Thar’s a conspiracy a bubblin’ out in the land-of-the-tubes…

Well, there’s two. But one has to do with the alleged finding of Bigfoot. One conspiracy at a time…

Seems that when John McCain was supposed to be in a soundproof vault Saturday night or as Saddleback church pastor Rick Warren put it, a “cone of silence,” he was actually in his motorcade.

The deal going in to the high-profile first meeting of the two candidates was that while Barack Obama was being questioned by the best-selling author, John McCain would be in a disclosed - but soundproof - location in the building unable to hear the exchange between the two.

Not so. Yesterday on CNN, Warren confirmed that McCain was not in the building when the forum began. So how do we know if McCain listened or watched any of the discussion beforehand?

Warren told CNN Sunday evening, “we flat out asked him” if he heard any of the questions. The McCain campaign “confirmed that McCain did not hear or see any of the broadcast” in the motorcade or after he arrived.

There had been speculation before the CNN interview that John McCain perhaps might have heard something. NBC’s Andrea Mitchel brought it up on Meet the Press.

“The Obama people must feel that he didn’t do quite as well as they might have wanted to in that context, because that — what they’re putting out privately is that McCain may not have been in the cone of silence and may have had some ability to overhear what the questions were to Obama.

This exchange got the McCain folks pretty upset. So upset, campaign manager Rick Davis requested a meeting with the president of NBC news stating that it is “abandoning non-partisan coverage of the presidential race.” Politico has the full letter here.

The New York Times’s Elizabeth Bumiller got a hold of McCain spokeswoman Nicolle Wallace who took umbrage at the charge.

“The insinuation from the Obama campaign that John McCain, a former prisoner of war, cheated is outrageous,” Ms. Wallace said.

Regardless, bloggers - like folks over at the DailyKos - don’t buy it.

CNN says they talked to McCain’s camp and they said no one in his camp was listening. The honor system, are you kidding me? I think it is pretty clear at this point McCain did indeed know the questions in advance.

Preparing its readers for Warren’s appearance on Larry King Live tonight, FiveThirtyEight.com lays the foundation for what they say is factual.

If McCain was in the motorcade, then there would be absolutely nothing, other than his honor, that would prevent him from hearing Obama’s questions. However, it is probably impossible to verify whether McCain had in fact heard any of the questions. The only people who could say for sure were the people in the motorcade with John McCain.

What we can possibly verify is whether the McCain people had violated an implied or expressed promise to have arrived at the venue by the time that Barack Obama’s interview began. Warren implied to a national audience that McCain was in a quarantined area at the time Obama’s interview began, but in fact McCain was not.

So, big deal or not? Larry King should get a big audience tonight.

http://features.csmonitor.com/politics/2008/08/18/mccain-cone-of-silence-or-no-cone-of-silence/
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Bake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 10:26 AM
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Honor system? A REPUBLICAN????
They LIVE to cheat. Or cheat to live. Or both.

Bake
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bluedeminredstate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 10:26 AM
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1. Oh Please...
The New York Times’s Elizabeth Bumiller got a hold of McCain spokeswoman Nicolle Wallace who took umbrage at the charge.

“The insinuation from the Obama campaign that John McCain, a former prisoner of war, cheated is outrageous,” Ms. Wallace said.


Enough! Enough! I can't take it anymore!


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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 10:30 AM
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2. Good if it's on Larry tonight a lot of people will see it
this won't get buried and it will leave the impression McGrumpy cheated no matter what he says he can not guarantee (prove) he did not hear the questions
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Fuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 10:35 AM
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3. One thing for certain is, he wasn't where he was promised to be
and he, as well as his campaign staff, was in a position to overhear and prepare for questions that were supposed to be unprepared for. There is also suspicion and evidence that he had some knowledge of the questions ahead of time.

Is this a huge scandal? Probably not in the grand scheme of things. It does make the viewer think that they were duped given the ground rules. It does show that the candidate has questionable moral fortitude. And to use the excuse immediately that he is a POW and would never cheat is a strange place to go right after you are questioned on the circumstances.

The right wing would hit, and hit HARD on this issue. Obama shouldn't, but others should on his behalf.
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liberalmuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 10:35 AM
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4. The Obama camp has not implied anything whatsoever.
Edited on Mon Aug-18-08 10:40 AM by liberalmuse
Why is the McCain camp lying? Obama has made no such claim. It is those of us who watched the forum who believe that McCain cheated, or at the very least, was given all questions in advance. I know that Obama and McCain were given the first two questions, but notice how McCain lied when he mentioned how hard the 1st question was and hoped the next question wouldn't be any harder. He knew what those two questions were, yet he played dumb. This man has no honor, and he lies every chance he gets. While McCain was answering the 3rd question, I knew he had heard Obama's segment. His answer was too close to Obama's. As a matter of fact, there were at least 3 answers that were similar to Obama's answers. I've seen McCain try to answer questions on the fly. If McCain hadn't consistently performed so miserably when answering spontaneously, this would not even be an issue.

That being said, this in no way reflects Obama's performance, which was above par. However, you knew Obama was answering off the cuff, because he did not appear to know what the questions were going to be, with the exception of the first two.

Also, I've nothing personally against Warren, but why did he lie so gratuitously for McCain? That alone makes me suspect that his 'unbiased' forum was indeed biased towards McCain from the very start.
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