The Georgian war is over now, correct?

[seemslikeadream]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/georgia/2558812/Russia-destroying-military-bases-in-Georgia.html


Russia destroying military bases in Georgia
Russian forces have been accused of rampaging through Georgia and destroying its military infrastructure.

By Adrian Blomfield near Gori
Last Updated: 7:30PM BST 14 Aug 2008


Russian troops take position at the entrance of the flashpoint city of Gori Photo: GETTY
American and Georgian officials said that Russian soldiers were sabotaging airfields and tearing up army facilities.

Russia is defying an appeal by Condoleezza Rice, the US Secretary of State, for it to obey the terms of a peace deal with Georgia. In Moscow its foreign minister Sergei Lavrov announced that the world can "forget about" Georgia's territorial integrity.

A Georgian spokesman said: "The Russian troops are destroying the city of Gori. They are mining the city. They are destroying everything in Poti port. They are destroying the newly built roads in western Georgia."

Moscow appeared to renege on a pledge to end its occupation of Gori, where several explosions were heard today. Russian soldiers and Georgian troops were involved in a tense stand-off at the strategic town.

Russian troops were also alleged to have re-entered the port of Poti, on the Black Sea, further testing an already shaky ceasefire brokered by President Nicolas Sarkozy of France.

Under intense pressure from the United States, which has ordered a military-led humanitarian mission to Georgia, hopes of a peaceful resolution to the crisis were raised after Russia said it would hand over Gori to the Georgian police this morning.


http://www.pr-inside.com/georgia-says-russian-tanks-moving-deeper-r756652.htm
Georgia says Russian tanks moving deeper in

TBILISI, Georgia (AP) - Georgia's president says a column of more than 100 Russian tanks and other vehicles is moving from western Georgia toward the country's second-largest city.
Mikhail Saakashvili says the convoy is about halfway between the cities of Senaki and Kutaisi. He was speaking to foreign reporters Thursday in an appeal for international help.
Kutaisi is toward central Georgia, not near the two separatist provinces that have seen fighting in recent days, Abkhazia and South Ossetia.

High hopes plummeted into fearful confusion in key Georgian cities Thursday as Russian troops appeared ready to pull out, then returned.

[LSK]

1. Yes

This was reported yesterday, the Russians are reducing Georgia's military so they dont have to do this again for a while.

There is probably minor skirmishes going on, but the war for the most part is over.

[seemslikeadream]

3. Georgia is just an occupied country right now then?

[LSK]

6. part of it is, the Russians will be gone by the next week

I would be shocked if they were not.

[AllentownJake]

11. I was shocked when I woke up this morning and we were still in Iraq

Wait no I wasn't.

[Junkdrawer]

2. The US Navy is sailing through the Black Sea and are due in Georgia soon....

And if anything happens, it will be a bolt from the blue, completely unexpected and entirely Russia's fault.

Right?

[Truth2Tell]

4. By "the Georgian war"

do you mean the American imperial/neocon/neolib encirclement and harassment of Russia?

Sorry, still ongoing and headed for disaster.

I think that Zbigniew Brzezinski and his pals in the current admin have forgotten that the Russians invented chess.

[sourmilk]

18. Actually, the Persians invented Chess.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shatranj

Other than that, you are pretty spot-on. Although the Russians did not INVENT detente, they currently play the game better than any other nation in the world.

[Schema Thing]

5. I get the feeling that Putin has a strategy of staying in Georgia

at least three extra days for every loud public pronouncement coming from the mouth of a western leader that "Russian troops must return to their pre-war positions".

[Truth2Tell]

7. He will only stay in Georgia proper

for as long as it takes to dismantle the military infrastructure. But the Russians will not be leaving Abkhazia and South Ossetia in our lifetimes.

[Schema Thing]

9. I think he will have his troops leave Georgia very leisurely.

I think this will be for the purposes of taunting. I think the west probably deserves it, for the most part. The neo-cons certainly deserve it.

[sattahipdeep]

8. Little boots is a whippe pup

Can't play with the big dogs....:grr:

[sattahipdeep]

10. Arizona senator is expected to meet with Kagan?

Some conservatives feel the administration has not been tough enough with Russia. Frederick W. Kagan, a neoconservative scholar who has advised the Bush administration, praised Cheney's comment and faulted Bush for failing to outline to the Russians what would be the consequence of pressing their assault.

http://www.boston.com/news/world/europe/articles/2008/08/14/washington_policy_on_russia_wobbling/

:crazy:

[bemildred]

12. Now there is a clueless idiot. Long range mouth fighter.

Isn't "scholar who advised the Bush administration" an oxymoron anyway?

[seemslikeadream]

14. Robert Kagan The War in the Caucasus: An Initial Assessment

Robert Kagan


American Enterprise Institute Panel on Russia & Georgia Military Conflict (August 13, 2008)


WATCH THIS YOU'VE GO TO HEAR KAGAN

http://www.c-span.org /


http://www.aei.org/events/eventID.1769,filter.all/event_detail.asp

The War in the Caucasus: An Initial Assessment


Start: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 9:00 AM

End: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 10:30 AM

Location: Wohlstetter Conference Center, Twelfth Floor, AEI
1150 Seventeenth Street, N.W., Washington, D.C. 20036
Directions to AEI

On Friday, August 8, the longstanding tensions between Georgia and Russia over the separatist region of South Ossetia escalated dramatically. Reports indicate that late last week, Georgia’s staunchly pro-Western government launched an offensive to reclaim the territory, shelling secessionist militias and sending forces into the city of Tskhinvali. Russia, which maintains a peacekeeping detachment in South Ossetia, responded in short order with what President Bush has called “disproportionate” force, striking civilian and military targets deep within Georgia and deploying a naval flotilla off the country’s Black Sea coast. Following three days of intense hostilities and repeated appeals for Western intervention, Georgia took steps to deescalate the conflict, calling for a cease-fire and withdrawing its troops from South Ossetia. Although Russia declared an end to its military operations on August 12, Russian troops remain deployed on Georgia territory and a resolution has yet to be achieved.

Praised by American policymakers as a bastion of democracy, Georgia has proven to be an enthusiastic ally of the United States in recent years, deploying a brigade to Diyala province in Iraq, lobbying for NATO membership, and seeking increased European integration. How, then, will the United States and its European allies respond to the current conflict? What are the implications of the war for other aspiring pro-Western governments? What does Russia’s conduct in the conflict tell us about Moscow’s longer-term domestic and foreign policy objectives? At an AEI event on Wednesday, August 13, AEI resident scholars Leon Aron and Frederick W. Kagan will provide an initial analysis of the conflict, with commentary from retired Army Lt. Col. Ralph Peters and from Lt. Col. Bob Hamilton, an Army foreign area officer and fellow at the Center for Strategic and International Studies who recently returned from a two-year tour as chief of the Office of Defense Cooperation in Tbilisi, Georgia. AEI’s Thomas Donnelly will moderate the discussion.


8:45 a.m. Registration

9:00 Panelists: Leon Aron, AEI
Frederick W. Kagan, AEI
Lt. Col. Bob Hamilton, U.S. Army
Lt. Col. Ralph Peters, U.S. Army (Retired)

Moderator: Thomas Donnelly, AEI

10:30 Adjournment

[bemildred]

17. Now there is a bunch of clueless, bought and paid for, idiots. nt

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

13. Oh, there's be dust ups here and there.

But I expect Putin has the good sense to withdraw before the IEDs start popping off.

[seemslikeadream]

15. and not a moment before he shows the world his soul

[Joanne98]

16. No.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3805145

[seemslikeadream]

19. Thanks Joanne98

I didn't think so :hi:

[Wiley50]

20. if the US stocks the Port of Poti with relief supplies, they will only be single ply

standard halliburton issue

Hi SLAD! How's it shakin'?

[KharmaTrain]

21. They Want Regime Change...

At least that's what the Russian military was saying a couple days ago...deliver a "message" to NATO that they won't tolerate any of the former Soviet Republics from joining.

What they've done is cut the country in two...and are "pacifying" these regions, inside Georgia...destroying the country's military infrastructure (and millions of American goodies) in hopes of both humiliating Shikavilli and isolate his government...landlocking it and forcing the U.S. and other "allies" to airlift supplies to keep the country afloat.

From what it appears, the heavy fighting is over as Georgia has no tanks or planes...but the remaining fighters can easily slip into the mountains, as they have in the past, and try a guerilla insurgency.

[sattahipdeep]

22. The U.S. government says

Russia is obligated by the cease-fire agreement it signed with Georgia to remove any military equipment it brought into the country, including the disputed South Ossetia region.


....
Pentagon Spokesman Bryan Whitman would not comment directly on reports that Russian troops may have begun installing short-range missile launchers in South Ossetia, but he says, if they did, the missiles must be removed.


http://www.voanews.com/english/2008-08-18-voa57.cfm

[spanone]

23. no, wait til the election, please

[sattahipdeep]

24. Black Sea port....Blackwater?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uA_sU4DnA6U

Russian soldiers took about 20 Georgians in military uniform prisoner at a key Black Sea port in western Georgia on Tuesday. (Aug. 19)