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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-08 11:31 PM
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An Idiot for More Blunt and Sex, Less Violence and Greed
I am amazed, just amazed at the number of people who are personally offended that John Edwards cheated on them. Who knew he was a Mormon, and that he was supporting so many wives? We all know that what happens within a marriage affects only two people---the husband and wife---and maybe their children if they are not discreet. So, all of these whining self professed Democrats must be Edwards women tearing out their hair over Johns infidelity.

If only they could work up as much passion for this:

http://www.dso.uncc.edu/women/TBN_Web/stats.html

Between 1/3 and 1/2 of all adult women are beaten by their husbands or lovers at some time in their lives. 14% of American women acknowledge having been violently abused by a husband or boyfriend.

92% of women who were physically abused by their partners did not discuss these incidents with their physicians; 57% did not discuss the incidents with anyone.

In the U.S., every 9 seconds a woman is physically abused by her husband.


Consensual sex or spouse abuse? I know which one I consider a problem.

How about Barrack Obama? When he was a kid, he did the kinds of things that kids do---and that some adults like to do, too, if they are born with a silver coke spoon up their nose like our current president. While few would fault a teenager for experimenting with weed and cocaine, some might question the judgment of a professional man (an attorney) who chose to write about the experiences in his autobiography. It sure got him a lot of attention that he might have wanted to avoid.

http://mediamatters.org/items/200712170004

Matthews accused Clinton's campaign of engaging in "dirty politics," he began the December 14 edition of Hardball by asking, "Is the Clinton campaign pushing the drug story? When it comes to stopping Obama, do things go better with coke?" Matthews and his guests then proceeded to say "cocaine" a total of 10 times during the December 14 show.


I can say it more times than that. So what? Its a medication that is also used for recreational purposes. Big deal. What people choose to smoke, snort, inject and imbibe for their own amusement pales in comparison to this :

http://www.pnhp.org/news/2004/september/number_of_unins...

18,000 Americans die every year because of lack of health care, and one million middle class families go bankrupt for medical bills. Death and bankruptcy that is real terror for any family!


Wasn't there something about the other candidate that was supposed to make me feel more offended than the Bush-Cheney lies about WMDs that have killed 4000 U.S. troops, wounded 100,000 more and killed over half a million Iraqis? I remember KO and a bunch of DUers going on about it. What was it....?

That's right! I was supposed to feel personally slighted, because Hillary Clinton said that she landed under sniper fire, but the TV cameras do not show sniper fire. She was talking to me. She was stealing my thunder, in advance, from the time when I am going to run through sniper fire, making it seem like just anyone can do it. What is it that they called it? Valor theft? Thats right. From the day which will surely come when I will be asked to fly into a war zone to lift the morale of troops. Damn! Now Im going to have to run through sniper fire and when I get home, people will say So what! Hillary already did it! That witch! She stole all the glory!

I might get around to worrying about that one, if I can find time when I am not thinking about this:

http://www.teachkidspeace.org/doc300.php

It is estimated that 43 percent (157 of 366) of all armed organizations in the world use child soldiers, 90 percent of whom see battle. In the last decade, more than 2 million children have been killed in combat, a rate of some 500 per day.


Here is a map of countries where children are forced to fight. Note that these are not George W. Bushs so called Axis of Evil, these are just plain countries.

http://hrw.org/children/child_soldiers_map.html

I expect that those Democrats who were planning to vote for John Edwards to be president of Good and Faithful Husband for Elizabeth are a mite displeased, just as those who were planning to vote for Hillary Clinton to be president of Runs Through Sniper Fire probably had their hopes dashed.

On the other hand, Democrats who view elections as a chance to elect leaders who will tackle the many problems which confront our country and the globe know that any one of these three candidates is up to the challenge.

If we lived in France, we would not even be having this discussion. Vive la France.
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JeffR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-08 11:34 PM
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1. First rec.
There'll be plenty more.

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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-08 11:36 PM
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2. McCamy ...
:applause: :applause: :applause:

"Who knew he was a Mormon, and that he was supporting so many wives?"

Excellent!
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Joe Fields Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 07:12 PM
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43. blinders
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-08 11:40 PM
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3. it isnt about the sex. it is about him losing whitehouse if he won primary
it has been said over and over and over. you guys continually take it to the sex. the sex is no ones business, but if he won primary and this came out, he would have lost the race.

but just keep making it about the sex so you can have a fake high road to stand on and continue to argue
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Cheap_Trick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-08 11:58 PM
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6. Of course it's about the sex
He DIDN'T win the primary, so he ISN'T going to lose the White House because of it.

Why get all bunged up over something that didn't happen?
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 12:01 AM
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7. i am not burned up about it cause he didnt win the primary so we dont have to be concerned
Edited on Mon Aug-11-08 12:26 AM by seabeyond
but a lot of people worked for him, gave him money and he presented himself as a viable candidate and he wasnt, and he knew it. and he COULD have won

it was a bad move on his part

he can fuck whomever he wants. not my business. but he was willing to put the whitehouse up for grabs and that isnt ok.
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cherokeeprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 12:04 AM
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8. "Why get all bunged up over something that didn't happen?"
So lemme get this straight... You're driving down the local Main Street when a totally hammered on whiskey driver runs a red light across your front bumper and you slam on your brakes, skidding 100 feet to a stop in the middle of the intersection. The drunk drives happily away. So do you.

mmmmkay.
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 07:27 AM
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19. Huh??!!
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physioex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 12:04 AM
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10. Dems must be getting desperate.....
To think that an affair would end the presidential bid of a candidate. The last president I can think of that probably didn't cheat on his wife was Jimmy Carter.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 12:13 AM
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14. my fuckin god. and you believe that. kerry was a war hero, had all the shit to prove it
and they made him the coward and bush the war hero, who skipped his time with the fuckin national guard his father got him into with the help of media and you think thewy wouldnt go after edwards for fuckin around on his sick wife in the mess of holier than thou we are in today.

gore was branded the liar. they counted gores lies and bush's. gore had 1 exaggeration and bush 11 lies..... yet with media help they fried and labeled gore a liar

clinton was fuckin impeached for getting a blow job

you are right

we have nothing to worry about in this climate
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physioex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 12:46 AM
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15. I know the situation we are in.....
Edwards isn't going to be the last politician on our side or either side for that matter. We need some sort of mechanism set up to deal with the right wing attacks. This is where we have miserably failed...
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 06:44 AM
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18. We're not electing a Pope.
We're electing a human being. And we're better off for it. A human being doesn't have to convince people he's infallible.

John Edwards getting laid has about as much interest to me as the story that followed it on some tabloid show the other night. Did Jennifer Anniston get her upper lip botoxed?

I'd still vote for Edwards. To me, he was the most human and caring of all the candidates. Maybe this reinforces it. I don't know. I look at someone's policies before I vote. I don't inspect the stains on their underwear.

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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 08:46 AM
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23. Same here!
I'd still vote for Edwards. To me, he was the most human and caring of all the candidates. :applause:
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 09:23 AM
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24. repeating. electability, not sex. in the perfect pretty world, no one would
care about him fucking around. that is not the world we live in and this election needs a dem to win. edward knew if it came out he would lose and he was sure he could hide it. he couldnt and it was stupid to think he could

not about the sex

i dont care about the sex

time and again this is said, and defenders of edwards takes it to the sex

but a real funny in your post is how fucking adn hurting his wife and children is proof to you what a caring man he is.... wow
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 02:28 PM
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33. Damn. Popes have cooler clothes and secret hand signals and stuff.
Edited on Mon Aug-11-08 02:28 PM by sfexpat2000
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 12:33 PM
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30. seabeyond, you're right that they branded Kerry but it only stuck because his campaign let it.
I was so freaked out that Kerry didn't immediately and forcefully call out the Swiftboat liars. That was when Kerry's fortunes took the downward turn. Still, he won the election, but that's another story.

I just don't understand what it is the Dems have against EXPOSING THE OTHER PARTY'S CANDIDATES' IMMORALITY. Just frickin' mind-boggling.


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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 08:27 AM
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21. When are you people going to stop fantasizing about the Democratic candidate,
Edited on Mon Aug-11-08 08:28 AM by KCabotDullesMarxIII
ANY Democrat candidate, for the White House being beaten by ANY Republican candidate.

You all know, every one of you, that the only way a Republican could take back the White House is the way it took it the time before and the time before - namely, BY MASSIVE FRAUD.

So, you are either a double-dyed knave - in which case, what are you doing on a Democratic board? Or your words are simply extremely foolish. In which case, what are you doing on any political board? This is not supposed to be a mothers' meeting for exchange of endless gossip. Your case is wholly bereft of any merit whatsoever. Go and tell your friends.
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1monster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 10:59 AM
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26. Did it occur to no one but me that maybe the reason he quit the primaries was not
Edited on Mon Aug-11-08 11:01 AM by 1monster
that he hadn't done better, but because of this issue? He had just pledged to stay in the primaries and then, with no warning, tersely quit. A lot of people thought he looked angry when he did.

There was speculation, right here on DU, that he had some how been coerced to abandon his campaign.

And, of course it is about the sex. If he hadn't had sex with Hunter, the whole issue NEVER comes up.

As McCamy stated in her OP: If this were France, we wouldn't even be talking about it. Viva la France....
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 11:14 AM
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28. right. because then he is a viable candidate again. you could say it is about media making a to do
as much as you can say it is about sex. you could say it is the way media latches on to a dem projected "weakness' to influence election as much as you could say it was about sex

the anger from dems is viable candidate.

and no, i hadnt thought of it. but if that is the case, good that whatever put the pressure on him did it prior to him winning. i could have done edwards (pun noticed but not intended) more than obama and hillary. if that were the case, once caught and in his confession, he could say why i stepped down. i think that would be more respected but still, you have those that gave money and hard work(not me, but i understand that anger) to a candidate that wasnt viable and giving money to the women he was cheating with. in essence paying her.

interesting thought though. thanks
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mojowork_n Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 04:59 PM
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40. Great question, a lot of us were taken by surprise when he quit
Which reaaalllly makes it sad to think that the U.S. isn't France, Italy, New Zealand, Argentina, Botswana, Brazil, Sweden, Burkina Faso or Benin... The list of countries you could come up with is probably comparable to the list of countries that are in favor of the Kyoto Protocol, against land mines, and in favor of an International War Crimes Tribunal that won't automatically exclude the U.S. from prosecution.
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-08 11:47 PM
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4. Thank you for
all your work to put things into perspective, as difficult and treacherous as that can be in a "gotcha" environment.

I'm glad DU is so much bigger than "gotcha", and the analysis flows this freely.

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DaLittle Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 12:11 AM
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13. Edwards Should DEPOSE HUNTER and Get Her Under Oath!11!!!!
Put her under da GUN!
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Oldtimeralso Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-08 11:52 PM
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5. K & R
What about the presidential candidate that left a crippled and injured wife that stood by him while he was out of circulation for about four years for a rich young trophy wife. To me much moe morally wrong, but that was 30 years ago not 2.
Now for a question.
Is the term "gold-digger" specific to the feminine gender?
From the state of Goldwater comes "gold-digger"!
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DaLittle Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 12:04 AM
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9. Edwards Had A Brief Moment of Personal Indescretion... Just What Corporate America Wanted!
Too bad Edwards was not more "experienced" with women the likes of Ms Hunter! :think:
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 01:11 AM
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17. Pathetic.
just pathetic. You really feel it's neccessary to call her a "cunt"?

Ugh.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 01:00 AM
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16. K&R. Excellent.
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liberalpress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 08:27 AM
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20. What dissapoints me most
is the lying and cover-up. Call me naive, but I think America could get behind a candidate who said, "Yeah, I've made mistakes, I'm human. I cheated onmy wife one, I'm sorry and she forgave me. I tried some drugs in college, but decided I'd rather not continue using them. I'll happily answer any questions you have about these things, and then we'll get on talking about the real issues of the day."

Damn, I'd vote for that guy even he wasn't a Democrat.
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 08:41 AM
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22. "Damn, I'd vote for that guy even he wasn't a Democrat. " That says it all.
Any person with a genuine sense of shame and remorse - other than a fundamentalist preacher caught with a prostitute - would feel extremely reluctant to divulge to the whole nation a serious sin they had committed (which is none of business of a single member of the population outside Edwards' family) just because adulterous, crooked, mealy-mouthed Republicans, and Democrats barely worthy of the name, think he should and publicly beat his breast for their Pharisaic satisfaction. Get lost. Vote Republican!
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liberalpress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 10:19 AM
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25. Not what I'm saying at all
Edited on Mon Aug-11-08 10:20 AM by liberalpress
WhatI'm saying is if you done things we have all done, decide to lead a public life and know the other side is going to dig it out and find it, just be honest, lay it all out on the table, and say you're sorry. It's honest and doesn't make you look like a weasel when it leaks out.
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 03:47 PM
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37. But it's not your business, it's not my business, and it's not anybody else's. And to claim that
deferring to the criminality of the MSM is simply being realistic is a cop-out. No-one in public life owes a debt of honesty concerning their private life to the public.

The public are a rag-bag of good bad and indifferent people who, overall deserve nothing more and nothing less from politicians than good policies and good government. Only the worst and/or most limited people look for titillation in such stories about the behaviour of politicians and other celebrities in their private lives in such rags as The Enquirer. Although it can be fun reading about them, just the same, if you don't like them even on the basis of the scant knowledge we usually have of them. But that's to our shame.

But to expect politicians to be exemplars is just foolishness. In this world, "respectability" means status and power. It does not reflect piety. Since when have high office and fame been breeding grounds of unexceptionable behaviour?

Moreover, bear in mind that the lure of sexual transgressions constitutes only one of many clamorous siren voices politicians, particularly the younger ones, face on a daily basis, although their effects are much more deleterious and far-reaching than a liberal would acknowledge or indeed understand.

Inordinate ambition matched by a poverty of ideals, as well as avarice and other expessions of selfishness, seem to be the main besetting sins of high-profile/powerful politicians and the worldly-wise, generally.
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liberalpress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 05:43 PM
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44. You're right of course.
Edited on Tue Aug-12-08 05:44 PM by liberalpress
It is nobody's business but theirs.But I still stay there are are only three things you can count on in the world (to paraphrase) death, taxes, and your transgressions on national TV. And being in the broadcast biz, I can tell you that stuff gets HUGE (or is it HUGH) numbers.

To paraphrase again, better to come clean and be thought a fool, than to cover-up and be thought a liar. People can sympathize with fools.
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 11:07 AM
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27. In the U.S., every 9 seconds a woman is physically abused by her husband...
jesus h christ- why doesn't that poor woman grab her things and go to a shelter?
and why hasn't the husband been arrested?
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 11:24 AM
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29. I think the ones complaining the most are Trojan Horses. nt
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Lilith Velkor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 02:22 PM
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31. Or in this case, Trojan Donkeys. n/t
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Overseas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 02:28 PM
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32. I've been mad at those professing sympathy for Elizabeth
yet refusing to do what she wants them to do-- let this matter drop back into a private issue between husband and wife.

She saw her dumb husband get flattered into an affair with a skinny blonde dingbat. He had his fling but wanted to stay married.

She accepted that. IF it is okay for her and you say you support her, support her desire for privacy.

I am so tired of this Wahabi Christianity we have these days.
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 03:54 PM
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38. Here's your Whahbi 'Christian'
John 'your place or mine' Edwards on why he refuses to support equality in marriage for all Americans:
"Because Im 53 years old, and I grew up in a small town in the rural South," replied Edwards. "I was raised in a the Southern Baptist church, and so I have a belief system that arises from that. Its part of who I am. I cant make it disappear."


Is that the sort of thing you mean? Because that pisses me off too! Had he kept his dogma as a private practice, he'd have me on his side now...as it is...
He said that kind of shit before, during and after his affair and string of lies to all who knew the truth. A belief system for others to follow, while the rich Johnny does as he may will.
Fuck that. It is not a private matter. When asked about my house, Johnny did not say 'that is not our business, it is a private matter' no, he stood in judgment and declared my house outside of his moral code.
Defend that if you wish. I will not.
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NoSheep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 02:59 PM
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34. Bravo. One of the best posts I've read in a very long time.
:kick:
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 03:41 PM
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35. Let me know...
When John Edwards apologizes for standing on a high horse of false righteousness and speaking against equality for GLBT Americans due to his 'Southern Baptist belief system'. He said it was a part of him, he can not make it disappear, so the gays should deal with it. This was, McCamy dear, before during and after his string of lies and adultery. In fact, if his wife had not assisted his lies, he could not have gotten by with smugly casting himself as the Christian ideal contrasted with the sinnful 'homosexuals' his 'faith' hates so much.
And hey, check out the bigoted history of Johnny's Southern Baptists. It is part of him. It is his belief system. Unless he wants to fuck someone of course. But hey....
If this was Frace, McCamy, my partner would share my health insurance, and yes, idiot religionists like John would not matter. Vive la France ideed.
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AuntPatsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 03:42 PM
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36. The only edwards issue thread I will aid in kicking....
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OnionPatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 04:45 PM
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39. None of us care who he bangs, and you know it.
If the fate of the country depended on me keeping my pants on, you can damn well bet they would stay on regardless of the personal freedom/privacy issues involved. The media should stay out of people's sex lives, there are more important things to report on, I'm with you on that, but that's not the reality we live in, not even close, and to pretend otherwise is just naive. I supported him and sent him money and I'm PISSED. You can pretend we give a shit about his personal sex life, but you know better.
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wvbygod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 05:17 PM
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41. No fucking shit
>>In the U.S., every 9 seconds a woman is physically abused by her husband.

And when one of those ex-husband SOBs tries to kill her, her kids and her mother and father
and fails because her dad held him off with a shotgun and he leaves to kill her future
husband who has allready called 911 an hour before and he shows up at the his door firing lead
through the door and then gets two in the chest and dies in the snow and they haul off the
future husband to jail for a week until the local DA and dishonest cops are busted by a real
lawyer the shit stinks even more.

Fuck the so-called 911 and their expected response, fuck the biased legal system and finally
fuck any man, woman or child that tries to kill another out of hate.

I hate fucking guns and those that would use them to harm others out of hate but I will always
own one and remain alive to fight this malaise.
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planetc Donating Member (247 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 07:06 PM
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42. I met an abusive husband, about 20 years ago now ...
I was working as the rental agent/assistant manager for an apartment project, and I was showing this man an apartment. I showed apartments every day, to all sorts of people, and I always tried to establish rapport with them, to make them feel welcome, to explain the advantages of the property, and not to cover up the flaws. (If they rented the apartment, I would have to field their complaints for at least a year--if I had misled them on any important point, I would pay for it. Honest really is the best policy.)

Anyhow, the man was a local attorney, early thirties, and I was being my usual friendly self, and he just pasted me to the sidewalk with his tone of voice. He didn't say anything insulting, but the way he said what he said made it clear he saw me as an air headed cunt. So I rented him an apartment--he was a good credit risk, and he was getting a divorce, he told me, and needed some new housing. He brought his two-year-old son to stay with him on a few weekends, and I saw the baby playing on the swings behind the office building.

The next news was that he had been shot to death by his wife when he entered her home. He had doubtless threatened her, and she took his threat seriously, and was prepared. I don't know whether she had a protection order, but I have heard enough to know that protection orders really aren't worth much. They don't prevent stalking, and they don't protect you from an armed man, or even an unarmed man who's twice as strong as you. Not unless the police are parked around the corner from your house.

Usually when I hear men talk about this, they always point out that some women abuse men too. That's true. But I've never heard a discussion of why the male abusers outnumber the female ones so badly.

This is one of the many social problems we need to come to grips with--and John Edwards cannot save us from ourselves, nor Barack Obama, not Hillary Clinton. We can always save ourselves, but waiting for a politician to make our souls whole is gonna be a very long wait.
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