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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 08:06 AM
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ICE Chief Calls for Congress to Discipline Dem Lawmaker for ‘Gestapo’ Remark
ICE Chief Calls for Congress to Discipline Lawmaker for ‘Gestapo’ Remark
By John Bicknell, CQ Staff


The head of U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement will ask Congress to consider taking disciplinary action against one of its members for a statement he made equating ICE agents with the Gestapo, a senior agency official said Wednesday.

Luis V. Gutierrez , vice chairman of the House Judiciary subcommittee that handles immigration, has called for a moratorium on ICE enforcement actions until Congress passes a comprehensive overhaul, something it has failed to do in each of the past two years.

In a column written for Politico, Gutierrez, D-Ill., commenting on recent ICE arrests of illegal immigrants in Iowa, said: “You know who is in charge now? The Gestapo agents at Homeland Security. They are in charge.”

A senior ICE official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said Julie L. Myers, the assistant secretary of Homeland Security for Immigration and Customs Enforcement, was “absolutely appalled and deeply angered” by the statement. The official said Myers would send a letter to senior members of Congress asking that disciplinary action be taken against Gutierrez’ for his remarks.

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http://www.cqpolitics.com/wmspage.cfm?parm1=3&docID=news-000002935682
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 08:08 AM
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1. Tell ICE: If the goose stepping jackboot fits, wear it!!
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 08:09 AM
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2. I second that! n/t
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 08:10 AM
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3. But if an ICE employee shows up at the next office Halloween party
wearing a Gestapo agent costume, Ms. Myers will be happy to award a prize.
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ellenfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 08:12 AM
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4. i was just reading about the
american citizens picked up and held for long periods without outside communication . . . in total violation of law. gestapo might be too nice.

ellen fl
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 08:56 AM
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9. I think 'gestapo' is too nice also; I'm glad this man made ICE's
activities an issue. I just hope censure isn't considered.
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BR_Parkway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 08:12 AM
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5. Walks like a duck, quacks like a duck...... just saying n/t
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 08:15 AM
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6. Luis Doesn't Take Crap From Anyone
I've watched this man's career for over 20 years...and he doesn't mince words. While he's Puerto Rican, he's become a big champion for all Hispanics and I'm hoping he's part of a President Obama administration.
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TechBear_Seattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 08:19 AM
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7. Truth hurts n/t
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 08:20 AM
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8. Fuck'em.
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rurallib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 09:03 AM
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10. Is Myers the daughter of the former chair of the JCS?
I know this is barely relevant, but I believe she is. Just amazes me how the reich wing progresses incompetent offspring.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 09:10 AM
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11. Yes, I think she is. nt
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Donald Ian Rankin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 09:14 AM
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12. I'm sorry, but Gutierrez was well over the line, and should be rebuked.

If you don't approve of America's immigration laws, the people to blame are those who make them, not those who uphold them.

To compare an organisation that rounded up people based on race or political affiliation and sent them to extermination camps with one that rounds up people who are breaking the law and sends them back to their home countries is not justifiable.

For a member of the government to compare the ICE to Nazis for upholding the laws they are employed to uphold is massively out of line, and he ought to apologise.

It's especially hypocritical coming from a member of the body that passes the laws the ICE are enforcing.
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Sal Minella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 09:53 AM
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13. The people arrested were chained (shackled) together and batched through the
Edited on Fri Aug-08-08 10:18 AM by Idealist Hippie
quickie "court" process ten at a time -- is this the way our laws are written?

Anybody who bothered to read any of the news accounts would not believe this dog-and-pony show was following the laws we have on the books.

quote:
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This unprecedented criminalization of undocumented workers gave ICE totalitarian control over both administrative detention and criminal prosecution. .....Thus, attorneys specializing in immigration law were denied access to these criminal proceedings, while an immigration detainer denied workers the right to bail, which criminal defendants enjoy. Co-opted by ICE, a busy federal court stopped prosecuting meth traffickers to run arraignments 8 a.m. to 10 p.m., stretch habeas corpus and put meatpackers* in jail.
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from: http://www.desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080805/OPINION01/808050365/1036/OPINION

Anyone who thinks U.S. law was followed in this case really should read this piece. The news stories support every statement the translator makes. (The shackles chained each prisoner's wrists to his/her waist, so weeping people could not even wipe their noses.)

* "Meatpackers" refers to the illegally-hired employees -- the owners of the plant have not yet been charged, as far as I know.

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for further reading on the Grotesque Theatrics at Postville
http://happening-here.blogspot.com/2008/07/what-happened-at-postville.html
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The Stranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 09:55 AM
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14. Bullshit. He has a right to speak freely.
If the Gestapo over at Homeland Security doesn't like it, then that is just too bad.
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Donald Ian Rankin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 10:42 AM
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17. Think about that for a second.
"He has a right to speak freely". It sounds so reasonable, but what you're actually saying is "no member of Congress should ever be censored for anything they say".

He should, indeed, be permitted to say what he wants, but equally Congress should be permitted to rebuke him for doing so.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 03:32 PM
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19. You mistake ICE for an agency that is upholding the law.
They way they round up people BASED ON RACE and herd them shackled and cuffed IN GROUPS for ILLEGAL HEARINGS without benefit of counsel sure sounds like Gestapo tactics to me.

1. The German internal security police as organized under the Nazi regime, known for its terrorist methods directed against those suspected of treason or questionable loyalty.
2. gestapo pl. ge�sta�pos A police organization that employs terroristic methods to control a populace.
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CitizenPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 09:58 AM
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15. so it's OK to ACT like the Gestapo
but if someone says the word Gestapo, then THEN we punish them?

If they take action against him or this, but leave Bush et al free to golf and kill, it will be the height of hypocrisy.

I it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, it is a fuc*ing duck. Sorry.
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devilgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 10:02 AM
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16. LOL! It's like kids in at a playground anymore.... BTW, ICE behaves like the Gestapo.
:hi:
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bdf Donating Member (430 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 03:13 PM
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18. Comparing ICE to the Gestapo is a vile calumny
The Gestapo were good at their job.
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