Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Ivins: Trial by Headlines...

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010) Donate to DU
 
Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 03:39 PM
Original message
Ivins: Trial by Headlines...
Edited on Tue Aug-05-08 03:46 PM by Junkdrawer
Imagine that you get your news from the mainstream media, you don't read Salon or DU, and all you have time for is headlines.

OK. Here's all the CNN Ivins headlines for the past 5 days:


Anthrax suspect obsessed with sorority, officials say updated 1 day ago
His decades-long obsession with a college sorority may link a former Army biowarfare scientist to four anthrax-laced letters dropped off at a New Jersey mailbox in 2001, authorities said Monday in the latest twist of one of the most bizarre unsolved crimes in FBI history.

Intended anthrax target has doubts about probe updated 1 day ago
An intended recipient of one of the anthrax-laced letters sent in 2001's anthrax scare said Monday he was "very skeptical" of the government's investigation.

Source: DNA links man to anthrax mailings updated 1 day ago
DNA evidence from the deadly 2001 anthrax mailings led authorities to a suspect who officials say killed himself, according to a source familiar with the investigation.

Therapist: Ivins described plot to kill colleagues updated 2 days ago
An anthrax researcher who committed suicide Tuesday had threatened his therapist and recently outlined a plan to kill his co-workers, according to audiotape of court testimony.

Was anthrax suspect model citizen or menace? updated Sat, August 2, 2008
Bruce E. Ivins was a juggler, a gardener, a church musician, a Red Cross volunteer -- and a suspected multiple murderer, according to federal authorities.

Two sides of scientist emerge after suicide updated Fri, August 1, 2008
Friends say a scientist who killed himself amid an anthrax investigation fit many stereotypes, but biological terrorist was not one of them.

The basics of anthrax updated Fri, August 1, 2008
The apparent suicide of former government researcher Bruce Ivins is the latest development in the mystery of the anthrax attacks of 2001. Letters laced with the bacteria brought the disease into the forefront, sparking fear across America.

Anthrax suspect, scientist, kills self as FBI closes in updated Fri, August 1, 2008
Prosecutors likely would have sought the death penalty against a researcher who killed himself after learning he was going to be charged in the 2001 anthrax killings, two sources told CNN on Friday.

Report: Anthrax suspect kills self before filing of criminal charges updated Fri, August 1, 2008
A top U.S. biodefense researcher apparently committed suicide just as the Justice Department was about to file criminal charges against him in the anthrax mailings that traumatized the nation in the weeks following the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, according to a published report.

http://search.cnn.com/search?query=ivins&type=news&sortBy=date&intl=false


Normally, this wouldn't matter. Normally these things get decided in a Court of Law where all sides are presented. But Ivins is conveniently dead. The Court is now the Court of Public Opinion.

So here's the question: What percentage of the public think Ivins is guilty as hell?

My guess is 50% have heard about the case and that 70+% think he's guilty.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 03:41 PM
Response to Original message
1. There's a new one
He was upset that his anthrax vaccine used in the Gulf War failed so he was trying to make them pay attention.

And no I don't believe in Santa Claus.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 03:44 PM
Response to Reply #1
2. Yeah, and I heard he sold the words to "Louie, Louie" to the Soviets...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 03:48 PM
Response to Original message
3. if they can take down a war hero, imagine what they can do to a civilian
it's called swiftboating nowadays
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 03:50 PM
Response to Original message
4. maybe it is Mukasey's version of Neo-Justice
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 03:54 PM
Response to Original message
5. Well done, Junkdrawer.
:yourock:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 04:04 PM
Response to Original message
6. "News Consumer Obsessed with Fraternity: Did the FBI mail
Weapons of Mass Deception to the AP?"

"Intended PR Campaign Target has Doubts about Proof"

"Source: CYA links FBI to Anthrax Failings"

"Theripist: FBI described plot to kill with heavy breathings"

"Was anthrax suspect model citizen or menace to FBI smear attempt?"

"Two slurs of scientist emerge after suicide"

"Anthrax suspect, scientist, kills self as FBI closes in. FBI: "Whew!"

"Report: Anthrax suspect kills self before filing of criminal charges, before Rapture and before American energy independence."







Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 04:10 PM
Response to Reply #6
9. If only WE could write the headlines...
:rofl:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 04:13 PM
Response to Reply #9
10. I'm being silly because what happened to this man is so overwhelming.
I hope everyone keeps up the pressure to get to the facts of this case. :hi:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 04:25 PM
Response to Reply #10
11. Very, very few people could survive an all-out government persecution.
It's entirely too possible for THIS government to choose some scapegoat for such persecution for politically expedient motives. Only the wealthiest and most connected 1% would have the resources and connections to survive it like their previous scapegoat did.

In a very depressing sense, it shows how appallingly disconnected from our own self-governance we've become and how we've lost our sense of a human community. We're in full Tonya Harding mode ... saving ourselves from the bear by knee-capping the closest companion. Escaping military service by letting those with no other reasonable choice do the dirty work. Rather than stand up in SOLIDARITY against injustice, we hide and say "Whew! Glad it wasn't me!" and then salve our consciences by joining the 101st Keyboard Brigade and patting ourselves on the back for filling out a ballot at an election we have little confidence is tallied accurately.

God help us.

(As a corporate whistle-blower, I know how fast "co-workers" abandon folks who stand up against injustice. Believe me.)


Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 04:30 PM
Response to Reply #11
12. It makes you realize what a fight Hatfil had to just survive this machine.
It's frightening. How many of us have that kind of stamina?

We're in deep, deep trouble -- especially when being individuals is so much more valued than standing together. I couldn't agree more. We've been taught to be the herd that runs away from and stigmatizes the maverick.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 06:33 PM
Response to Reply #11
13. Well, at least *some* of Ivins' co-workers are coming to his defense...
As for the media, Jeffrey Dahmer got better treatment...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Truth2Tell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 04:05 PM
Response to Original message
7. I've been asking almost everyone I talk to
what they think. Most of the people I ask get their news from the MSM. And amazingly, nearly every single one thinks the case stinks. Nobody trusts these clowns anymore. Not even conservatives. I think the game is up.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 04:09 PM
Response to Reply #7
8. I hope you're right. The people I work with agree, but that's a better educated crowd.
I grabbed that 70% number from the number of people who thought Saddam was involved in 9/11 at the time of the 2003 invasion.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
suffragette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 06:57 PM
Response to Original message
14. On point as always, Junkdrawer
Very good post
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Wed Apr 10th 2024, 01:29 AM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC