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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 12:00 PM
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"You and I are not in the Big Club" . . . by George Carlin . . .
This excerpt from George Carlin's lastest HBO special, "Life is worth Losing," was transcribed and posted by Mark Faulk on his investing website . . . highlighting is mine . . .

http://www.faulkingtruth.com/Articles/Investing101/1070...

There's a reason that education sucks, and its the same reason it will never ever ever be fixed. Its never going to get any better, dont look for it. Be happy with what youve got. Because the owners of this country dont want that. Im talking about the real owners now, the big, wealthy, business interests that control all things and make the big decisions.

Forget the politicians, theyre irrelevant.

Politicians are put there to give you that idea that you have freedom of choice. You dont. You have no choice. You have owners. They own you. They own everything. They own all the important land, they own and control the corporations, and theyve long since bought and paid for the Senate, the Congress, the State Houses, and the City Halls. Theyve got the judges in their back pockets. And they own all the big media companies so they control just about all the news and information you get to hear.


Theyve got you by the balls.

They spend billions of dollars every year lobbying to get what they want. Well, we know what they want; they want more for themselves and less for everybody else. But Ill tell you what they dont wantthey dont want a population of citizens capable of critical thinking. They dont want well informed, well educated people capable of critical thinking. Theyre not interested in that. That doesnt help them. Thats against their interest. You know something, they dont want people that are smart enough to sit around their kitchen table and figure out how badly theyre getting fucked by a system that threw them overboard 30 fucking years ago.

They dont want that, you know what they want?

They want obedient workers, obedient workers. People who are just smart enough to run the machines and do the paperwork and just dumb enough to passively accept all these increasingly shittier jobs with the lower pay, the longer hours, the reduced benefits, the end of overtime and the vanishing pension that disappears the minute you go to collect it.

And now theyre coming for your social security money.

They want your fucking retirement money; they want it back so they can give it to their criminal friends on Wall Street. And you know something? Theyll get it. Theyll get it all from you sooner or later because they own this fucking place. Its a big club and you aint in it! You and I are not in the Big Club. By the way, its the same big club they use to beat you in the head with all day long when they tell you what to believe. All day long beating you over the head with their media telling you what to believe, what to believe, what to think and what to buy.

The table is tilted folks, the game is rigged.

Nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care. Good honest hard working people, white collar, blue collar, it doesnt matter what color shirt you have on. Good honest hard working people continue, these are people of modest means, continue to elect these rich cocksuckers who dont give a fuck about them. They dont give a fuck about you. They dont give a fuck aboutgive a fuck about you! They dont care about you at all, at all, at all.


And nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care.

Thats what the owners count on, the fact that Americans are and will probably remain willfully ignorant of the big red, white, and blue dick thats being jammed up their assholes everyday. Because the owners of this country know the truth, its called the American Dream, because you have to be asleep to believe it.

you can watch Carlin deliver this himself at this link . . .

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.indiv...
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 12:02 PM
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1. I *hate* that rant.
Thank goodness the people who fought, suffered and died for labor rights didn't listen to crap like that.

Thank goodness those who worked in the underground railroad and for the end of slavery didn't listen to crap like that.

Thank goodness the suffragettes didn't listen to crap like that.

I hope to God nobody here reads this crap and gets the idea that there's no point in fighting. Cause there so is.
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bleedingheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 12:07 PM
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2. I completely agree with you!
My grandfather had no formal education and yet he was a labor organizer and a smart man who knew that what was being done to him and the rest of his fellow miners was wrong. They fought and died to give people today the right to be paid in money and not script, saftey laws and the 40 hour work week among many things...and back then...the "Big Club" existed too....but he didn't fall for the same crap that Carlin is trying to push which is to just take it and do nothing.

I like Carlin but this is one part of his act that I can't stand...


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leeroysphitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 12:09 PM
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3. I think all the people you mentioned knew what Carlin says here
Edited on Thu Jan-25-07 12:09 PM by leeroysphits
to be the absolute truth. Why else would they have fought so hard to change it.
I don't think Carlin's intention was to sound defeatist but to rile and wake people up.
That's a worthy goal. I hope people to wake up and get riled about what's being
done to them in their own names.

Just my opinion.
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bleedingheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 12:11 PM
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4. I thought that too...but it depends on his delivery and i have heard
him deliver it where it was a bit hard to know which way he was leaning...

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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 12:14 PM
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8. I disagree completely. And here's why:
Edited on Thu Jan-25-07 12:15 PM by redqueen
"...its the same reason it will never ever ever be fixed. Its never going to get any better, dont look for it. Be happy with what youve got.

Forget the politicians, theyre irrelevant.

Politicians are put there to give you that idea that you have freedom of choice. You dont.

(snip)

They want your fucking retirement money; they want it back so they can give it to their criminal friends on Wall Street. And you know something? Theyll get it. Theyll get it all from you sooner or later because they own this fucking place. Its a big club and you aint in it! You and I are not in the Big Club. By the way, its the same big club they use to beat you in the head with all day long when they tell you what to believe. All day long beating you over the head with their media telling you what to believe, what to believe, what to think and what to buy.

The table is tilted folks, the game is rigged.
"

(snip)

The ONLY hopeful part is this:

"Thats what the owners count on, the fact that Americans are and will probably remain willfully ignorant of ..."


I don't see how anyone could reasonably see that as in any way motivating or encouraging.

That, to me, seems absolutely and utterly defeatist.
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leeroysphitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 12:17 PM
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11. Ok. But I don't hear resignation in that language I hear a challenge.
But hey that's just me.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 12:21 PM
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12. Hey, I hope you're right!
Edited on Thu Jan-25-07 12:21 PM by redqueen
I hope you're right and this year when I go block walking, people don't give me that tired old "it's all rigged, maaaan!" crap.

:hi:
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Sal Minella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 12:25 PM
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15. Me too. It's a Carlin-style call to action, I think.
Edited on Thu Jan-25-07 12:29 PM by Idealist Hippie
I've seen Carlin live, and he reminds me of the old epigram, "The fastest way to find an idealist is to scratch a cynic."

Sort of like the fond uncle saying to the kid, "I don't think you can get an A on that math test."
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The Count Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 01:19 PM
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43. he also brags he doesn't vote. Nope. Not on my side. I'm with democracy.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 03:35 PM
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51. No way! SEE?!
I should trust my instincts.

If what you say was true, I was SO frickin right.
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Hoping4Change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 12:54 PM
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33. I totally agree with you that he is challenging people not asking them
to resign. I think it is a phenomenal rant. Its a real wakeup call. I love the line about the American Dream.
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Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 06:01 PM
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63. DLC will fix all of it, on that you can bet the farm...
:shrug: It is good to be optimistic but stay in the real world okay?
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 06:38 PM
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67. Who says what defines "the real world"?
The DLC?

If we let them, sure.

And with people like Carlin ensuring that everyone knows how hopeless it is, fewer people will dare to hope or much less work for change.
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 07:14 PM
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76. Thinking a bit literally? Carlin is always sarcastic!
Do you need a :sarcasm: in audio or something? Are you truly this much of a literalist? Obviously the part about "it's never gonna change" is a sarcastic challenging type of statement. Coupled with the bit about the "Big Club" NOT wanting educated masses capable of critical thinking, it is an excellent way to point out the truth of the oligarchs.

I believe great labor people and those who work/have worked hard for that and other such causes would APPLAUD Carlin's message: Get off your ass, take a look around and take to the streets! Don't put up with it!

Sheesh.

Julie
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democrat in Tallahassee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 12:12 PM
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6. I thinkyou misunderstood him; he's on our side and he is
absolutely correct. Look at what the bushes have done. Do they REALLY care about education? No, they care about making money for their pals; they care about selling brother Neil's educational software. When Jeb was governor all he could talk about was closing libraries. Carlin is right; they do not have our interests at heart; it's all for their petty causes and they package it as being for the people.
imho
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 12:16 PM
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10. I'm not saying he doesn't make good points.
I'm saying that he's saying this in a way that will encourage people NOT to try... cause why bother? It's all rigged.

I've talked to WAY too many young people who have completely given up, and why? Cause "both parties are corrupt, man! It's all rigged! Just be happy with what you've got, while you can... why stress out if they own everything?"

:banghead:
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 12:28 PM
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17. That's Carlin's MO ===> to stress out on everything
Edited on Thu Jan-25-07 12:34 PM by ShortnFiery
That's what makes him so damn funny. Step back from the "bloody obvious" and smell the entertainment value of such rants. Carlin's IMO a classy rant to the beloved and belated Sam Kinison. And face it, Denis Leary's rants can "bottom feed" even more than Carlin's stuff.

I love the guy! He's been in rehab and I guess like Robin Williams these brilliant comedians KNOW what those in power are doing and are saddened by it. I've been depressed or on lows ever since Paul Wellstone was killed. :cry: ON EDIT please note - I'm far from brilliant but have a fun sense of humor.

But this type of humor is to be taken in the spirit it was given:

Rant On Dear George Carlin!

One of my favorites was when Carlin ranted about Mickey Mouses' Birthday being celebrated like he was really a person and the rest of the world should give a sh*t. He ended this rant with words to the effect that "I hope Mickey Dies in some inner city slum with his hand down Goofy's pants." :P

He's a genius right along with the current top performers Jon Stewart and Steven Cobert. I'd bet money Carlin's one of their favorite mentors. ;)
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 12:37 PM
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23. I'm not saying he's not funny... or that he hasn't inspired other comedians...
I'm only concerned that he's feeding the apathy trend that's so in vogue with young people today.
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The2ndWheel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 12:41 PM
Response to Reply #23
25. The only way to change anything
Is to stop giving a damn about the current setup. But you have to let go first.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 12:43 PM
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26. Excuse this bluntness, but Carlin is NOT a Social Worker,
he's a COMEDIAN! You're welcome to love him or hate him but it's not his responsibility to come across as "motivational" or "socially appropriate."

Again, no disrespect because you come across as very well informed, but please consider "lightening up" because Carlin is A COMEDIAN, not a potential role model for our children. :shrug:
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 01:10 PM
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39. Even if he does narrate Thomas the Tank Engine
;)

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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 02:20 PM
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49. Excellent retort! But that career didn't really take off now, did it?
Edited on Thu Jan-25-07 02:20 PM by ShortnFiery
Mister Conductor is a potty mouth! :rofl:

No more roles on kiddy shows for you George Carlin. :(


Oh he's polluting the minds of our children with excellent parenting advice:

"You love your kids!?! That don't tell me much. Everyone loves their kids. John Wane Gacey has his burried all around the house. Saying that you love your kids means nothing. But if you love your kids, don't treat them like little cult objects. Leave them the hell alone at least until they know which side of the play pen smells the worst." :P
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NobleCynic Donating Member (991 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 09:38 PM
Response to Reply #39
78. ::Blinks in disbelief::
Wow.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 03:45 PM
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56. No, he brags about not voting.
He has a platform to do good, and he does that instead.

I never said he should be a social worker. :wtf:
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Hoping4Change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 01:00 PM
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37. I think Carlin is trying to rouse people who are caught in a dream.
What better way to do that than to call them suckers. Telling people they've been suckered and that there is nothing that they can do to change it can be an effective way to rouse people from passivity and put them in a fighting mood.
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 03:17 PM
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50. and this is incorrect, how?
Both parties are thoroughly corrupt, "we" were in control of both houses several times over the last 50 years or so and what did "we" do? "We" spent most of our time protecting egos and turf, making sure that our campaign contributers made lots of $$ at public expense, creating high-paying, safe, jobs for our cronies, sabotaging every single proposition that may have actually helped, and on and on and on. "We" were more concerned about the score and the game, than "we" were about what it did to our country.

The reich-wing didn't win, have never won, on the merits of their ideas, no, they won because people just got fed up with our bullshit and decided to give the other guys a try because, as reprehensible as they are, at least we know where we stand and what they'll do.

One last thing, as for George Carlin himself, he has nothing to gain by trying to wake our dumb asses up other than the slimmest possibility that this nation could get better. He has been very successful for over 40 years and has more money, prestige, and power than he can use, so other than the shot to his ego from playing these venues, what has he got to gain?
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 03:39 PM
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52. ...
"it will never ever ever be fixed. Its never going to get any better, dont look for it. Be happy with what youve got."

:puke:
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 12:35 PM
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20. It's motivational by means of incitation
That's the beauty of it.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 12:36 PM
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22. I hope you're right...
I've met too many defeatists to take that kinda stuff as the jokes it's meant to be I guess.

Or maybe I'm just too dumb to 'get it'.
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 12:43 PM
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27. As long as it disgusts me (the hackles are raised in my throat)
I am undefeated. The same can be said of yourself.
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ThomCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 12:51 PM
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31. The way I hear that
he's trying to get people angry, and at the same time convince them that game can't be fixed, so we have to do something big. It's a call for revolution instead of trusting evolution.

You're right that people who aren't willing to fight might get discouraged by hearing this. But people who are willing to throw everything down might get motivated.
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 12:54 PM
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34. I Know Longer Consider Him Relevant
His world view is a little too black and white these days. I no longer care to hear what he has to say.
The Professor
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spoony Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 01:13 PM
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40. Agreed
To me he stinks of either nihilism or hopelessness, and neither of those are going to do us any good.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 03:41 PM
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53. He brags that he doesn't vote.
What a champion. :eyes:
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adigal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 12:55 PM
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35. I think he is right, so I like the rant
but I don't like his conclusion that we can't change this.

If we would all wake up to this fact, and start to elect people who are not owned by corporations (Bushes, Clintons) we could defeat them, beat them at their own game.

But we have to wake people up.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 03:42 PM
Response to Reply #35
54. He works against us by bragging about not voting...
and saying up front: give up, the game is rigged.

I don't buy this 'challenge' nonsense. He brags about not voting. What more does anyone need to know?
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The Count Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 01:18 PM
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42. I'm with you! Self ennamored apathy never helped anyone.
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Little Wing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 01:19 PM
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44. That entire show was miserable
I think he's been hit really hard by his wife's death, and misery loves company
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 01:31 PM
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45. he's a COMEDIAN! . . . like all good comedians, he takes a kernal of truth . . .
and carries it to it's most absurd extreme as a way of drawing attention to it . . . if you take the rant literally, you're missing the point . . .
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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 05:46 PM
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60. went right over your head then. nt.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 06:29 PM
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64. just like his being proud of not voting? is that over my head too? n/t
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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 06:31 PM
Response to Reply #64
65. different topic.
The rant above is not a rant for apathy it is a rant against sleepwalking through life. I don't agree with Carlin on voting, although I understand his point, but he simply is not advocating apathy here in the statement quoted by the OP.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 06:36 PM
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66. 
Be happy with what youve got."

if that ain't a statement advocating apathy, i don't know what is.
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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 06:42 PM
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69. As I said you completely missed the point.
Pair up the opening paragraph with the closing paragraph. Carlin is saying that it is never going to get better because we are sleepwalking through life. He is telling us to wake up.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 06:44 PM
Response to Reply #69
70. There's only *one* line that's encouraging.
Sorry, that doesn't cut it for me.

Still hate it.
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dolo amber Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 07:14 PM
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75. To be fair...
He does specify "You know something, they dont want people that are smart enough to sit around their kitchen table and figure out how badly theyre getting fucked by a system that threw them overboard 30 fucking years ago."

I totally get what you're saying, but I think he's focusing more on the post-Reagan era. And in that context I unfortunately have to agree with him 100%. Because unfortunately, it's true. :(

(I still think :yourock: regardless. :D :hi:)
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-26-07 10:15 AM
Response to Reply #75
83. You rock!
You know why? Cause you said all that with out any snide "sheeshes" or shit. Pff... this place.

:loveya:
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 12:11 PM
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5. Love Carlin's delivery and so true!
We know who we're working for --> The Corporate Power Elites are heavily factored into *all* American Government Policy.



Bow before your Corporate MASTERs and believe all that the American M$M tells you, lest you WILL BE destroyed by The Big Club and stashed down the memory hole. :scared:

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Auggie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 12:13 PM
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7. Carlin is saying that it's important to be and stay informed
Edited on Thu Jan-25-07 12:14 PM by Winebrat
and to make educated decisions regarding who you vote for.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 12:15 PM
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9. BEST CARLIN RANT EVER!!!
I agree with him 100%!
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CrazyOrangeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 12:28 PM
Response to Reply #9
16. Yeah, I've loved him since . . .
. . . about 1973 when my best friend got the "7 Words" LP.

Carlin had the nads to go to SALINA FUCKING KANSAS, last autumn. Did a great show, and he brought down the house.

Most people misunderstand the guy. Yeah, he's bitter. So what? He's informed, brilliant, and he's honest enough to come out and say that 90 percent of this population are a bunch of dumbfuck sheep.

He cares. And he's trying to wake people up . . . in a very different voice than most people are used to hearing.

Like a SwampRodent I know!

:hi:
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 12:33 PM
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19. Way'at CrazyOrangeCat!
We swamp rats are often misunderstood.

:hi:


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CrazyOrangeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 12:38 PM
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24. HA!!!
:spray:
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CrazyOrangeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 12:47 PM
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28. One of the funniest lines of the show . . .
. . . was something to the effect of,

"I'm sick and tired of the media telling me what is news."

"Ya' know what ISN'T news that they keep yakking about anyway?"

"Lance Armstrong. Always talkin' about Lance Armstrong."

"Fuck him!!!"

"And fuck his balls! I do NOT want to hear about his balls."
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 12:51 PM
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30. HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 12:54 PM
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32. Excuse me, Mr. Carlin?!? Lance Armstrong ...
Edited on Thu Jan-25-07 12:55 PM by ShortnFiery
only has ONE, so it's singular, ball, not balls. :blush:

What can I say other than, "Sometimes you feel like a nut, sometimes you don't." :wow: :yoiks:
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CrazyOrangeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 01:04 PM
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38. !!!
:spray:
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 12:22 PM
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13. Excellent rant!
Emailed to friends.. :)
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 12:23 PM
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14. I got to watch him give that rant live
In West (freaking) Texas. The crowd went wild.

If it pisses you off, then he did his job.
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CrazyOrangeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 12:30 PM
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18. exactly.
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smirkymonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 02:05 PM
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47. I agree - my interpretation of the rant?
"WAKE UP PEOPLE!"

The power elite and the government don't give a shit about you or your problems, so if you want something to change - GET INVOLVED!

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camero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 12:35 PM
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21. Good rant
One of my favorite lines from him is in one of his books (forgot the name, a co-worker took the book on loan and never gave it back). It went, " They say if we don't give the rich more money, they'll stop working but if we give the poor more money, they'll stop working. Where's the logic in that?"

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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 12:50 PM
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29. Don't sweat the thundershowers.
Excellent rant, but the obedient workers they want are in Asia now. They've already gotten all they wanted from us, we're not even their target consumers anymore.
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 12:57 PM
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36. Government exists to serve corporations; people exist to serve government.
I don't know who originally said that, but it's sure in line with Carlin's rant.

No, I don't get a sense of defeatism from Carlin at all. I feel like he's trying to slap people upside the head and say, "WTF is wrong with you that you would let yourself be pushed around like this. Get up and do something about it!"

As long as we read and post on DU, as long as we write letters to the editor and talk to people, trying to inform them, keep in action, we'll never be defeated. We're only defeated when we give up, lie down, and roll over.
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The Count Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 01:16 PM
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41. Get lost, George! Carlin doesn't vote. He's trying to spread the apathy.
He may be sheltered as a rich celebrity, we, the actual little people have to deal with the results and get involved to change them. Glorifying being a moron -
he could be so much more than that!
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 03:43 PM
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55. Yes he could!
It's pathetic that he stands up there on that stage he has and actually proudly encourages people to give up... and is proud of the fact that he doesn't vote.

Since I learned that, not only do I hate that rant... I have no respect for him at all.
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-26-07 01:21 AM
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81. Carlin is not encouraging apathy . . . he's MOCKING it! . . .
as he explained in an earlier concert, ANYTHING is fair game for a joke as long as the exaggeration is big enough . . . sheesh . . .
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meldroc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 01:51 PM
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46. Awesome rant!
Hopefully more people are taking it as I am - as a call to action, not a call to apathy.
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 02:16 PM
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48. I see and hear a lot of different folks yelling "Wake up, people!" in this world.
Carlin is one man who knows how to set off the alarm on that cold, rainy Monday morning when you just want to stay in bed for ten more
minutes.

But there ain't no snooze alarm!
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 04:03 PM
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57. Carlin serves the Big Club by preaching that life is useless on a cosmic level
Edited on Thu Jan-25-07 04:05 PM by Armstead
The message I've always gotten from his is basically "Life sucks and then you die. Deal with it."

Although it can be cathartic and funny, personally I find that offensive and destructive ultimately. It leads to dead-end cynicism, which is what the members of the Big Club are counting on.

So in his own way, he is doing the bidding of the Big Club by preaching apathy and defeatism.

Yes, he's a comedian, and not an evangelist or political organizer. But I think he has a moral responsibility to at least leave people with some hope that things can get better -- instead of the feeling that there's no use trying.

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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 04:30 PM
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59. "But I think he has a moral responsibility ..."
Edited on Thu Jan-25-07 04:31 PM by ShortnFiery
Again, George Carlin is a COMEDIAN.

To many Americans who loathe elitism and well meaning busy bodies forcing their good habits on us, Carlin's a comedic genus who doesn't owe society any damn thing. Hell, if Carlin gave a rat's a** about what many American "morality filter patrols" thought, I wouldn't like him. ;)

BTW did I mention, Carlin's a Comedian? :eyes:
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 06:46 PM
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71. I agree it's not a "responsibility" per se.
But he is wasting an opportunity.

Rock bands were very influential in the 60's, no one can deny that.

It's sad to see someone who so obviously sees what is going on, but does SO little about it.
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 07:13 PM
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74. You think he's wasting an opportunity...
I don't. I think he's doing quite the opposite, this man is very intelligent and he knows what he's doing.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 10:00 PM
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79. You don't know George Carlin ...
Edited on Thu Jan-25-07 10:03 PM by ShortnFiery
With sincere respect, those of us who admire "the punk" in our comedians love the fact that he doesn't give a damn. After all, it's really up to us, you and me, to change this Country.

My husband is like you in a "humor sense." He's turned off by the anarchist type comedians like Carlin, Leary, Mencia and the late Sam Kinison. I guess it takes a certain type of personality to find them TOTALLY HILARIOUS. But I fully understand that many people are "put off" by his style.

For some reason, I admire Carlin for not giving a damn about social responsibility and continuously rants about the absurdities of life with a vivid and often obnoxious bent.

Yes redqueen, you have more than enough ammunition to not appreciate his manner.

To each his/her own. :hi:

IMO Carlin ROCKS! :evilgrin:
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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 05:50 PM
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61. he is ranting against sleepwalking though life!
You: "So in his own way, he is doing the bidding of the Big Club by preaching apathy and defeatism."

Carlin: "Thats what the owners count on, the fact that Americans are and will probably remain willfully ignorant of the big red, white, and blue dick thats being jammed up their assholes everyday."

How you and others here have turned his rage against apathy into it's opposite is an exercise in seeing what you want to see.
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-26-07 10:10 AM
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82. He coiuld change it very easily.
"Thats what the owners count on, the fact that Americans are willfully ignorant of the big red, white, and blue dick thats being jammed up their assholes everyday....You don't like it? Then get up and do something about it. "
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 06:40 PM
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68. He's the opposite of the bands in the 60's
who encouraged people to at least try.
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DaveJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 07:01 PM
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72. I think he's trying to incite a revolution, but hey...
Personally I think he's raising awareness. I would think that in the 60's people pointed to the problems that existed with similar styles of rhetoric.

But maybe there are some people who do not take it that way and will resign themselves to failure. Not sure about that.
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 07:06 PM
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73. Well, it's working.
Edited on Thu Jan-25-07 07:10 PM by originalpckelly
:P There's a mighty wind a blowin'. This nation has eaten the beans of liberty the last few years and the one that's about to rip lose will shoot that red, white and blue dick right out of our collective asses.
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MindPilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 04:03 PM
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58. He's right: "the system that threw them overboard 30 fucking years ago"
Defeatist or realist? I say realist. Carlin bases his non-voting position on the idea that he is an observer not a participant. I vacillate between seeing that as a cop-out and a courageous stance.
Personally I harbor no illusions that my vote is counted or my voice heard, but I keep shouting and voting. Am I pissing into the wind? Probably, but I feel like I'm doing something.
Will things change? Maybe but I doubt I'll live long enough to see it.
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MrSlayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 05:54 PM
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62. He's 100% right.
I've been saying the same thing for a while now. The two party system is in place to distract us from who really runs everything, the corporate masters and world banks. It can be changed but it will take an enormous effort. It starts by not electing people beholden to the corporate interests that fund their ridiculously overpriced campaigns. I doubt it will happen.
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0rganism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 07:33 PM
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77. heavy words from a man who rakes in millions by publishing his sense of humor
I'm of two minds about it. First, he's right on a lot of this stuff, painfully correct and well-stated to boot. But it would come across as more genuine if delivered by someone who wasn't a famous professional comedian. If I heard Joe Sixpack ranting like this in a bar, I'd think, "yeah right on, fight the power." But coming from Carlin... well, let's just say when a person reaches a certain level of fame and fortune, I expect him to take the contents of a rant like that and fucking do something about it.

George Carlin could get elected if he wanted to. He could be a councilman, a mayor, a state rep, hell, the sky's the limit for someone as wealthy, connected, charismatic and sharp as he is. Those big media companies he curses, they'd love to see a guy like him running for office, they're not averse to someone rocking the boat as long as the rocker brings in the ratings. He could be one of the "irrelevant" people who constitute the government, yes, I do believe he could, he'd be powerful and popular and he'd probably find a way to enjoy doing it.

Or, George Carlin could also buy plenty of stock in one of those companies whose antics he decries, and play the game that way. He could unlock the doors to the "big club" from the inside, and show people how to do things right. He could lead by example, make himself fabulously wealthy, and do something to reform the system. As a big, wealthy, businessman, with a large side-order of fame, who could gainsay him? No one's keeping him out of the club but him.

Then again, maybe he could just keep doing what he's doing, but take it to the streets. Stop charging for shows, and stand on the corner with a megaphone instead. He's got the clout, the leverage, he could make his points from a different angle, and empower the people who run the machines and file the papers. Hey, I'm not saying he'd be an instant success, but he'd have at least as much chance to make a meaningful difference as Cesar Chavez.

What pisses me off the most is that of all the people who benefit from the current situation, as a man who makes a fine living by pissing on the outrageous inequalities of society, he's right in there with 'em all. The assumed ignorance of the common man isn't just a boon to the corporate fatcat, it's fodder for his act. But I think he underestimates us.

Critical thinking isn't something we've lost along the road to industrialization; certainly as a skill it can be improved, refined, developed through education and practice, but most people inherently posess some capacity for it, just as they can appreciate some forms of music or enjoy a sunset or laugh at Carlin's jokes. There's an automatic response, an aesthetic of sorts, an appreciation of the well-expressed opinion that appeals to people. It's not a lack of critical thinking skills that gets us in trouble, rather it's a lack of information to evaluate a situation critically that bogs us down. People can instinctively feel there's something wrong with a piece of propaganda, and if they only had the necessary data in front of them, a lot of folks who uneasily accept the status quo would instantly know it for what it is and, moreover, be able to refute the propaganda -- at least for themselves, if not for others. The intermediate goal of exploiters is not to dull the proletariate down, but rather to distract and alienate its members from one-another so they don't have time or energy for the hard facts.

George Carlin is in an excellent position to bring us closer, if he chooses to do so. Unite the clans!
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AnnInLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 10:00 PM
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80. Carlin Special on HBO right now
9:00 Central, 10:00 pm Eastern
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