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deminks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 04:55 AM
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Anthrax suspect would have gotten vaccine royalties
http://www.montereyherald.com/ci_10077381?source=rss

Bruce E. Ivins, the government biodefense scientist linked to the deadly anthrax mailings of 2001, stood to gain financially from massive federal spending in the fear-filled aftermath of those killings, the Los Angeles Times has learned.

Ivins is listed as a co-inventor on two patents for a genetically engineered anthrax vaccine, federal records show. Separately, Ivins also is listed as a co-inventor on an application to patent an additive for various biodefense vaccines.

Ivins, 62, died Tuesday in an apparent suicide. Federal authorities had informed his lawyer that criminal charges related to the mailings would be filed.

As a co-inventor of a new anthrax vaccine, Ivins was among those in line to collect patent royalties if the product had come to market, according to an executive familiar with the matter. The product had languished on laboratory shelves until the Sept. 11 attacks and the anthrax mailings, after which federal officials raced to stockpile vaccines and antidotes against potential biological terrorism.

(snip)

From 2000 to early 2002, Ivins and two colleagues from USAMRIID helped BioPort resolve problems related to the potency of the vaccine. Because of those and other manufacturing difficulties, production had been suspended. The efforts of Ivins and his colleagues helped BioPort win Food and Drug Administration approval to resume production.

(end snip)



The whole anthrax vaccine program is full of intrigue. BioPort, despite massive failures, has managed to always win approval and contracts. Who owns BioPort?

An article about BioPort by none other that Judy Miller:

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9B02E1DC133BF936A3575BC0A9649C8B63&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=all

A better summary of BioPort here:

http://www.spinwatch.org/content/view/2226/9/

Many questions remain. Who put this guy up to working with vaccines? Was anyone pushing him for data to fit the FDA approval? Is this further evidence that he wanted to send out the anthrax to show the need to buy more vaccine? Was this another way for Bushco to push the connection of anthrax to the Iraq war and hurry up with production? Bushco profiteering? How much money did this guy stand to gain? Who were his co workers that were working on BioPort with him?



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deminks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 11:37 AM
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1. kick for the afternoon in case anyone hasn't seen
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 11:54 AM
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2. WOW... That company name rings bells, doesn't it?
I don't remember which scandal, there are so many-
I will go and search it to see what I can find.
Seems to me it was very early in the Iraq invasion.

Weren't the Fort Bragg murders thought to be
connected to that vaccine?

BHN
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checks-n-balances Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 05:59 PM
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21. Anyone remember the name 'Cipro' ?
Seems that Bayer (its manufacturer) could've made out like bandits during that time period. In fact, this article notes that "a general downturn in the international pharmaceutical business forced Bayer into a major downsizing in 2000-2001"." What with the government pushing this drug at that time as an anthrax preventative, at least one major corporation stood to benefit from that whole thing.

Perhaps this situation could be seen as an example of how more "Shock Doctrine" helped send this country further along its planned path of Corporatism.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 11:58 AM
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3. Why were Leahy, Daschle and certain reporters targeted?
Why did this happen right after 9/11?

Why is this investigation being blocked?

Why aren't Dem senators looking after their own?

Why does the media ignore this story?
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 01:14 PM
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16. Here's a read that asks the same- and more.
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bahrbearian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 03:45 PM
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18. Thanks for the link
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 12:00 PM
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4. My memory serves me- Here is an article that mentions the Fort Bragg study
http://home.att.net/~vet_updates/nass.htm

Apparently, the author, an MD, also testified
about it before congress- also mentions
Ivens and the suspected GWS associated
with his vaccines in the first Gulf war...

Interesting; methinks there is much more
to the story around this man's "suicide."

I smell the BFEE.

BHN


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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 12:08 PM
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5. Here is a great link with history/etc... on Bioport and the vaccine investigations
http://www.worldincrisis.org/Vaccine/chapter4.htm

I repeat, I smell a rat around this "suicide."

A big fat BFEE rat.

BHN
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 04:49 PM
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 06:47 PM
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25. WOW Starroute! AMAZING post!
You are correct, it is hard to tell what is tin foil sinister CT and what is
just plain EVIL greed.
What is not questionable is that where ever the BFEE has
it's tentacles, bad things tend to happen to innocent people.

BHN
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 09:02 PM
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27. Interesting press report from Emergent Biosolutions on JULY 31st...
Hmmm.

"Emergent BioSolutions Submits Proposal in Response to HHS RFP for Development and Procurement of a Recombinant Protective Antigen Anthrax Vaccine
Thursday July 31, 6:15 pm ET
The company's submission provides the U.S. Government with the critical option to select a domestic source to meet planned procurement of 25 million doses of rPA vaccine

ROCKVILLE, Md.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Emergent BioSolutions Inc. (NYSE:EBS - News) announced today that it has submitted a proposal in response to a request for proposal (RFP) issued by the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) for a recombinant protective antigen anthrax vaccine (rPA). Emergents rPA vaccine candidate is a reformulated and more stable form of the rPA 102 vaccine originally developed at the U.S. Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases (USAMRIID) and is well-positioned to be a leading candidate for an award under this RFP. One Phase II clinical trial of rPA 102 has been completed."
http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/080731/20080731006601.html?.v=1

Is it me? Or does this strike you as interesting timing in relation
to Ivin's death?

I think there is a great deal more to be investigated.
The massive stock sell off by the insiders at the same time?
WTF?

BHN

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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-04-08 11:53 AM
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39. they innovulated thousands of the troops and it was
mandatory human guinea pigs but they put scalene in the vaccine to speed up immunity and it caused huges side effects

all for money money money
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deminks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 12:12 PM
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6. Here is a McClatchy (2006) article on some of the deaths
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/146/story/15261.html

WASHINGTON - WASHINGTONEn route home from the Persian Gulf on a military supply ship in 2003, merchant seaman James Francis and his mates got an ultimatum: Take anthrax and smallpox vaccinations or lose your jobs.

Francis' Seattle attorney, Russell Williams, described the shipboard scene the next day off the isle of Crete as: "Wham, bam. `Get in line. Take your shots.'"

Within days of taking the two shots, Francis' feet began to tingle and burn. When he later took the second in a series of six anthrax shots, his health slid downhill. Since then, the 45-year-old messmate from Las Vegas has fought a rare nervous system disease known as Guillain-Barre Syndrome, along with chronic pain, pneumonia and a life-threatening blood clot.

Vaccine makers are immune from lawsuits, so Francis sued the government, winning what his lawyer calls a "substantial" settlement in December 2005. Others say Uncle Sam shelled out about $2 million.

(snip)

Robert Burrows, Emergent's vice president of corporate communications, pronounced the vaccinesold as BioThraxto be "safe and effective" and vetted "more than any in history."

But on Dec. 13, lawyers who succeeded in stalling the mandatory program in 2004 filed suit seeking a new injunction, alleging that the FDA manipulated data from a 1950s clinical study and circumvented its rules in licensing a vaccine that was modified multiple times.

(end snip)

BioPort is now a part of Emergent Biosolutions.
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 12:21 PM
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7. The link I posted on #5 has LOTS of info on the shady background of Bioport
Including insider trading and Pentagon contracts-
DESPITE the known and FDA non approval of
the sloppy manufacturing of the vaccines-

Wonder what Ivens knew?

BHN
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deminks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 12:24 PM
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8. Thank you. Following the money does reveal some interesting info.
The vaccine and war profiteering are certainly additional motives for his actions or for his death.
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 12:27 PM
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9. Check out all the insider sales of their stock- AS Ivens was found "suicided."
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 12:33 PM
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 12:38 PM
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11. Oh My.... unbelievable.
Great catch!
The story gets stranger and stranger, eh?
You must admit- the big stock sell off
and the timing of the "suicide" is reason to question
what really happened.
BHN
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deminks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 12:40 PM
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12. Oh my. That IS interesting.
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 01:06 PM
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13. Bioport/Emergent lobbying report-
http://mbvic.blogspot.com/2008/06/emergent-biosolutions-spent-550k.html

I'm looking into this Dr. Meryl Nass- she seems to be key
as far as a whistle blower in the whole vaccine scandal.

Incidentally, her house caught on fine.
Seems an UNplugged refrigerator was the cause.

Stephen Hatfill anyone?

BHN
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 10:25 PM
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28. Could that mean that BioPort actually had some of the Anthrax at their facility . . . ?????
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Wizard777 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 01:11 PM
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14. So people will betray their country and kill their fellow Americans for tens of thousands of dollars
I wonder what Bush & Cheney were willing to do for the Billions and Millions they are making off the Iraq war? Not exactly a Klondike Bar.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 01:12 PM
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15. At this point, everything we hear is what the feds want us to hear.
Edited on Sat Aug-02-08 01:13 PM by TexasObserver
So far, the evidence is Lee Harveyesque. The report by the so called therapist looks like a ringer. Is this scientist also a forgerer? Is he a mastermind of international intrigue as well as a scientist? He's the perfect patsy, made most perfect by death, and apparent suicide that will not see an autopsy.

I don't believe ANYTHING I hear at this point in an incident like this. What I do know is that someone wants to wrap this case up, say it's OVER, and bury it. Let's see, who is leaving office soon? I don't know ... could it be .... CHENEY?!
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-04-08 12:03 PM
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40. until the Corporate Media decides otherwise
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 01:16 PM
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17. Now what type of person would kill innocent people for a few pieces of gold?
Every Republican I know. Thats who.

Don
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 05:39 PM
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20. Many questions do remain. I'm curious how this intersects with the failed framing of Hatfill.
Did we ever find out who the confidential sources were for the five reporters subpoenaed that originally refused to name their sources in Hatfill's suit? Or were those names buried forever as part of a deal that won Hatfill $5.8 million?

Reporters ordered to disclose sources in Hatfill case

Five reporters must reveal the names of government sources who provided them information about bioterrorism expert Steven Hatfill during their investigation of the 2001 anthrax attacks, a Washington, D.C., federal trial court ruled last week. (Hatfill v. Gonzales, Aug. 13, 2007.) However, the court denied Hatfill's bid to try to learn the names of sources from a group of news organizations, including those that employ the reporters, at least until after the reporters are questioned.

This decision stems from Hatfill's lawsuit alleging that the government violated the Privacy Act, a law that bars the federal government from disclosing certain personal information about an individual without permission.

Earlier in the case, the five reporters at issue -- Michael Isikoff and Daniel Klaidman of Newsweek; Allan Lengel of The Washington Post; James Stewart, formerly of CBS News; and Toni Locy, formerly of USA TODAY -- acknowledged many instances in which Department of Justice or FBI employees disclosed information about Hatfill. However, they refused to provide the names of the officials, who were confidential sources.

http://www.gannett.com/go/newswatch/2007/aug/nw0823-5.htm

I'm curious about this in light of Greenwald's piece in Salon where he nails ABC News for propagating the lie about bentonite in the anthrax that they attributed to "four well-placed and separate sources". http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/ Is it possible that any of these four sources might be the same person as any of the sources trying to frame Hatfill?

If anyone has any more updated info, let me know.
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 06:04 PM
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22. Well now I'm certain some of those sources are identical. Look who else Hatfill sued.
I guess it started out with five reporters, then went up to six:

Hatfill v. John Ashcroft, et al.
On the 26th of August 2003, Hatfill filed a lawsuit<15> against the Attorney General of the United States John Ashcroft, the United States Department of Justice, DOJ employees Timothy Beres and Daryl Darnell, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, FBI Supervisory Special Agent Van Harp and an unknown number of FBI agents.<16>

On March 30, 2007, US District Judge Reggie Walton issued an order warning Hatfill that he could lose his civil lawsuit over the leaks if he did not compel journalists to name their sources. He gave Hatfill until April 16 to decide whether to press the journalists to give up their sources.<17>

On April 16, Hatfill gave notice that he would "proceed with discovery to attempt to obtain the identity of the alleged source or sources at the Department of Justice and the Federal Bureau of Investigation who allegedly provided information to news reporters concerning the criminal investigation of Dr. Hatfill.<18>

On April 27, 2007, in the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia, federal prosecutors wrote that Steven Hatfill had overstepped court orders allowing him to compel testimony from reporters whom he had already questioned and had instead "served a new round of subpoenas" on organizations "that he failed to question during the discovery period."

During the first round of depositions, Hatfill subpoenaed six reporters: Michael Isikoff and Daniel Klaidman of Newsweek, Brian Ross of ABC, Allan Lengel of The Washington Post, Jim Stewart of CBS, and Toni Locy of USA Today.

Hatfill now has subpoenaed eight news organizations, including three that he didnt name before: The New York Times (Nicolas Kristof, David Johnson, William Broad, Kate Zernike, Judith Miller, Scott Shane, and Frank D. Roylance), The Baltimore Sun (Gretchen Parker and Curt Anderson), and the Associated Press. Subpoenas for Washington Post writers Marilyn W. Thompson, David Snyder, Guy Gugliotta, Tom Jackman, Dan Eggen and Carol D. Loenning, and for Mark Miller of Newsweek, are now included.

The Justice Department responded to Hatfill's subpoenas, saying that they went too far. The court should reject this attempt to expand discovery, prosecutors wrote.<19> In a status conference on Friday 11th January 2008, U.S. District Judge Reggie B. Walton ordered the attorneys for the government and for Hatfill to seek mediation over the next two months. According to the Scheduling Order<20>, the parties will be in mediation from January 14 until May 14 2008. The prospects of a mediated settlement notwithstanding, Walton said he expected that a trial on the lawsuit could begin in December. Afterward, Hatfill's attorney Mark A. Grannis said: "The court has set a schedule for bringing this case to trial this year, and we're very pleased at the prospect that Dr. Hatfill will finally have his day in court."

On March 7, 2008, Toni Locy of USA Today was ordered to personally pay contempt of court fines of up to $5,000 a day which begin the following Tuesday, until she identifies her sources.<21>

On June 27, 2008 Hatfill was exonerated by the government and a settlement was announced in which the Justice Department has agreed to pay $5.8 million to settle the lawsuit in which Hatfill claimed the Justice Department violated his privacy rights by speaking with reporters about the case.<22><23>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Hatfill

OK, first things first. The sixth reporter added to the original five is Brian Ross of ABC News. The same Brian Ross that Glenn Greenwald ass-whupped yesterday:

During the last week of October, 2001, ABC News, led by Brian Ross, continuously trumpeted the claim as their top news story that government tests conducted on the anthrax -- tests conducted at Ft. Detrick -- revealed that the anthrax sent to Daschele contained the chemical additive known as bentonite. ABC News, including Peter Jennings, repeatedly claimed that the presence of bentonite in the anthrax was compelling evidence that Iraq was responsible for the attacks, since -- as ABC variously claimed -- bentonite "is a trademark of Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein's biological weapons program" and "only one country, Iraq, has used bentonite to produce biological weapons."

ABC News' claim -- which they said came at first from "three well-placed but separate sources," followed by "four well-placed and separate sources" -- was completely false from the beginning. There never was any bentonite detected in the anthrax (a fact ABC News acknowledged for the first time in 2007 only as a result of my badgering them about this issue). It's critical to note that it isn't the case that preliminary tests really did detect bentonite and then subsequent tests found there was none. No tests ever found or even suggested the presence bentonite. The claim was just concocted from the start. It just never happened.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3715949

Geez Brian, how many stories can you fuck up there and still be on the payroll? And speaking of fucking up many stories, notice how Judy Miller's name popped up in this tale of overblown, overpublicized nonsense? And what the fuck is Judge Reggie Walton doing presiding over every BFEE armor scratch? First Sibel Edmonds, then Valerie Plame, now Steven Hatfill?

Fascinating and infuriating.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 10:27 PM
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29. Hatfill also sued the New York Times . . .
haven't read particulars on that ---
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bluesmail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 06:32 PM
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23. K&R Tinfoil or not, this is fascinating information.
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 06:33 PM
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24. K&R
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 08:57 PM
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26. Emergent Biosolutions:Pentagon bid July 31th for vaccine supply.
Uh-huh.
TOO weird.
http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/080731/20080731006601.html?.v=1

"Emergent BioSolutions Submits Proposal in Response to HHS RFP for Development and Procurement of a Recombinant Protective Antigen Anthrax Vaccine
Thursday July 31, 6:15 pm ET
The company's submission provides the U.S. Government with the critical option to select a domestic source to meet planned procurement of 25 million doses of rPA vaccine

ROCKVILLE, Md.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Emergent BioSolutions Inc. (NYSE:EBS - News) announced today that it has submitted a proposal in response to a request for proposal (RFP) issued by the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) for a recombinant protective antigen anthrax vaccine (rPA). Emergents rPA vaccine candidate is a reformulated and more stable form of the rPA 102 vaccine originally developed at the U.S. Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases (USAMRIID) and is well-positioned to be a leading candidate for an award under this RFP. One Phase II clinical trial of rPA 102 has been completed."

Don't tell me there isn't a connection.
Wonder what he knew?
Guess we'll never know.

The BFEE made sure of that.

BHN
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deminks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 10:29 PM
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30. Maureen Stevens, widow of anthrax victim, files lawsuit
http://www.ca11.uscourts.gov/opinions/ops/200515088.pdf

BioPort is one of the corporations named. Was it a source of the weaponized anthrax? or contribute to the sloppy handling of anthrax at the USAMRID lab, or its own lab?
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deminks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 10:49 PM
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31. Emergent Biosolutions contributes to McCain
http://projects.washingtonpost.com/fec/specials/mccain/by-amount/range3/

# EMERGENT BIOSOLUTIONS EMPLOYEES PAC

* Gaithersburg, MD, 20879 (Map)
* Regular PAC contribution ($2,000)
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 10:54 PM
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32. This makes no sense to me. If he developed it on government time,
he most likely didn't stand to make a dime. :shrug:
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 04:49 AM
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33. David Kelly worked at Porton Down as well--and was friends with Judith Miller, .
whom I notice was one of the reporters named in the lawsuit, above. In fact, Kelly was Miller's chief quoted source for her book "Germs"--about bio-warfare, published soon after 9/11. And it was to Miller that David Kelly wrote one of his last emails, on the day he died--the email in which he expressed concern about "the many dark actors playing games."

The Anthrax plot is a possible motive for Kelly's murder that I had never thought of--and I don't think anyone else has either--that what he knew that got him killed was not about Iraq WMDs, but about anthrax.

The reasons that it seemed to do with Iraq are many. Kelly was a UN weapons inspector in Iraq. His whistle-blowing to the BBC was about Iraq. And he booked plane tickets to go to Iraq on the day he died. He was intending to participate in the U.S. invasion force weapons inspections.

What he said to the BBC--that the pre-war intel had been exaggerated ("sexed up," as the reporter put it)--didn't seem all that earthshaking. Lots of people knew that--the UN inspectors, Scott Ritter, the French, the Germans, and billions of ordinary citizens, including most Americans (55% to 60% of whom opposed the invasion of Iraq--Feb 03, all polls). Exaggerated intel--lies, psyops, disinformation--can all be drowned in the corporate 'news' river of forgetfulness, which was particularly toxic at that time. Could "exaggerated intel" have been reason to murder an insider white guy? On July 7, 2003, Tony Blair was informed that Kelly "could say some uncomfortable things" (not had said; "could say.") Also, Kelly said something to an acquaintance after he was interrogated at a "safe house" that also indicated that he knew something far more threatening than exaggerated intel. He said he had told his bosses that he wasn't about to "reveal any state secrets." So the question was: What "state secrets" did he know that could have gotten him killed?

My guess was that the Bushites intended to plant nukes in Iraq, to be 'found' by the U.S. troops--as part 2 of the Iraq/Niger nuke forgeries scheme. That would explain a number of things, including why somebody in the Bush Junta was so insistent on Bush asserting the Iraq/Niger nuke claim, which had been discredited. It was taken out of Bush's speeches twice, and somehow found its way back in. (He ultimately had to admit the error--probably the only time he has ever done so.) So, it looks very like a set up--Bush makes the claim; the troops then "find" the nukes. (And, never forget, Judith Miller was accompanying those troops, anxious for the scoop of a lifetime, which she had prepped with her lies in the NYT).

And for another, it was the sort of ethical line that David Kelly might have balked at crossing. Signing off on "exaggerated intel" was one thing; planting weapons was quite another. Kelly was a top scientist, praised by all--and legendary as a tough weapons inspector. He passionately believed in his work of WMD counter-proliferation. Something caused him to turn against the Iraq War, in late spring 2003, when he began whistleblowing. His discovery of a scheme to plant the weapons answers many questions about his motivation, his character and the events surrounding his death. In addition, he was murdered four days after Valerie Plame was outed--and her outing was connected to Iraq. Kelly's office and computers were searched. And then four days after his murder, Novak additionally outed the entire Brewster-Jennings WMD counter-proliferation network (putting all of its agents/contacts at risk of getting killed). Everything pointed to Iraq--as the focus of the "state secrets" that the Bushites/Blairites feared would be disclosed by this whistleblower.

However, the motive for his murder could have been something else. And knowledge about the Anthrax plot certainly qualifies as a motive for murder. That he was murdered I have almost no doubt. The only other possibility is pressured suicide--much like Ivins--but Kelly was a straightup kind of guy--well liked, highly respected, with a loving family. There is plenty of evidence that he felt forward-looking on 7/17/03 (the day he was murdered)--including, for instance, emails about his daughter's upcoming wedding. And the manner of his death is just plain absurd, for a man of science. It makes no sense at all, in any way. (Goes out for a walk, cheerfully hails a neighbor, sits down under a tree, cuts one wrist--the ulnar artery--with a dull knife, and bleeds to death all night, under a tree near his home.) (Among other things, the ulnar artery is deep--you generally can't bleed to death from cutting it, because it closes up.) Further, the Blairites had just released him from a "safe house" interrogation and had sweated his testimony to a Parliament defense committee, after weeks of huge controversy and apparent panic in the Blair government. (He didn't say any more "uncomfortable things.") And they sent him home without surveillance? Not credible. So, where were his watchers, as he bled to death all night under a tree?

And I've barely grazed the absurdities and black holes in the official 'investigation.' I think he was outright murderered, and I think he knew something that was very dangerous to the Bushites/Blairites.

This latest bioweapons expert to "commit suicide"--Ivins, in the Anthrax case--prompts me to start thinking: could Kelly's death also be connected to the Anthrax plot?

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Here is another Porton Down chem/bio warfare scientist--killed in a small plane crash in 2004. Research should be done on any connection to Kelly, and, of course, to Ivins, Ft. Dietrich and the corporations involved. Paul Norman sounds rather like Kelly, in his passion for WMD counter-proliferation. (A lot of biochemists have died, many under suspicious circumstances, over the last 5-6 years. This site contains a list of them.)

http://www.stevequayle.com/dead_scientists/UpdatedDeadScientists.html

"#58: Dr. Paul Norman, age 52. Died: June 27, 2004. From Salisbury Wiltshire. Killed when the single-engine Cessna 206 he was piloting crashed in Devon. Expert in chemical and biological weapons. He traveled the world lecturing on defending against the scourge of weapons of mass destruction. He was married with a 14-year-old son and a 20-year-old daughter, and was the chief scientist for chemical and biological defense at the Ministry of Defense's laboratory at Porton Down, Wiltshire. The crash site was examined by officials from the Air Accidents Investigation Branch and the wreckage of the aircraft was removed from the site to the AAIB base at Farnborough."


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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 06:13 AM
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34. Kelly's history at Porton Down (just a bit)--and a few other things...
LibertyorDeath post at DU in 2005 (comment #25):

"In 1984 Dr. Kelly was invited by the Ministry of Defense (MoD) to take the position of chief microbiologist at its secret facility at Porton Down. Kelly had been working in the NERC Institute of Virology in Oxford. He brought a number of scientists with him from there to Porton Down

"At the Hutton inquiry, Brian Jones testified as to Kelly's involvement, with the highest security clearance, in analyzing top-secret information regarding biological weapons of the U.K. and other governments. Jones was director of a department on the Defence Intelligence Staff (DIS). That involvement, beginning in 1987, presumably continued until his (Kelly's) death and through his several other jobs as weapons 'inspector' in Russia and (for UNSCOM) in Iraq.

"It was before and during Kelly's tenure at Porton Down that it became involved with South Africa's bioweapon program named Project Coast. A cardiologist named Wouter Basson who was the personal physician of South African Prime Minister Botha headed the project."
(my emphasis)

http://64.239.13.64/free/ww3/111203_kelly_2.html
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3891807

Lots of facts and links at that DU post, above.

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News article on Dr. Paul Norman's plane crash: (2/7/04)
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-11737876-details/WMD+expert+killed+in+plane+crash/article.do

Questions: Did Norman succeed Kelly as chief microbiologist at Porter Down? Could Norman have been one of the scientists that Kelly brought with him to Porter Down (who then succeeded him)? What was their relationship? What could they have mutually known that got them both murderered within a year of each other? That's a very high toll of British head microbiologists, in only 7 months time. The Hutton coverup was swiftly done. The inquiry was convened three days after Kelly's death. The report came out in Dec 03, only five months later (and received blistering criticism). Norman's small plane crashed about a month later. Did Norman know something about Kelly's death? And does either death have anything to do with the Anthrax case and Ivins' death?

The Hutton Report
http://www.the-hutton-inquiry.org.uk/content/hi-pn210703.htm
(Although it is a coverup, full of black holes where critical information should be, it contains a lot of interesting detail--for instance, the item I mentioned above, that Blair was told that Kelly "could say some uncomfortable things," on 7/7/03, the day after Joe Wilson's Iraq/Niger nuke op-ed was published, and one week before Valerie Plame was outed, with Kelly murdered three days later.)

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Here's a list, of 11 microbiologists' suspicious deaths in '01-02
http://ellisctaylor.homestead.com/anotherdeadscientistguestrt.html
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 07:27 AM
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35. Destroying the reputation of the target, post-mortem...
From Fort Detrick With Love

(Steven Block of Stanford University, an expert on biological warfare) also told the Dallas paper: "The FBI, after all these months, has still not arrested anybody . . . It's possible, as has been suggested, that they may be standing back because the person that's involved with it may have secret information that the United States government would not like to have divulged.

"And what the government would not want divulged is the fact that the United States has been in flagrant violation of the 1972 Biological Weapons Convention. Article 1 of the convention specifically states: "Each State Party to this Convention undertakes never in any circumstance to develop, produce, stockpile or otherwise acquire or retain: 1. Microbial or other biological agents, or toxins whatever their origin or method of production, of types and in quantities that have no justification for prophylactic, protective or other peaceful purposes. 2. Weapons, equipment or means of delivery designed to use such agents or toxins for hostile purposes or in armed conflict."

http://www.heartson.com/Politics/anthrax_and_the_patriot_act.html#Who%20has%20the%20authority%20to%20order%20both%20the%20FBI%20and%20the%20CDC%20
http://www.counterpunch.org/madsenanthrax.html

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It seems kind of "quaint" now--concern about anybody knowing that they were busting treaties--but that was 2002, when the Bush Junta was still feeling its way, trying to terrorize Leahy and Daschle into okaying the Patriot Act that almost no one had read.

The above article, by Wayne Madsen, originally published at CounterPunch (4/8/02), goes on to discuss....

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"The Death of Dr. Wiley: Murder They Wrote

"The one person who was in a position to know about the origin of the anthrax sent through the U.S. Postal Service met with a very suspicious demise just a month after the attacks first began.


The reported "suicide" and then "accidental death" of noted Harvard biophysics scientist and anthrax, Ebola, AIDS, herpes and influenza expert, Dr. Don C. Wiley, on the Interstate 55 Hernando De Soto Bridge that links Memphis to West Memphis, Arkansas, was probably a well-planned murder, according to local law enforcement officials in Tennessee and Arkansas...."

And get this...shades of Ivins...

"...according to U.S. intelligence sources, Wiley may have been the victim of an intelligence agency hit. That jibes with local police comments that the FBI and 'other' U.S. agencies stepped in to prevent the local Memphis police from taking a closer look into the case. Employees of St. Jude's Childrens' Hospital in Memphis, on whose board Wiley served, were suddenly deluged with unsubstantiated rumors that Wiley was a heavy drinker and despondent.

"It is a classic intelligence agency ploy to spread disinformation about 'suicide' victims after their murders.
The favorite rumors spread include those about purported alcoholism, depression, homosexuality, auto-erotic asphyxia, drug addiction and an obsession with pornography, especially child pornography.

"According to the local police, it would have been easy to determine if Wiley was a heavy drinker and that would have shown up in his autopsy. The police also reckon that if Wiley left the Peabody under the influence, four hours later he should have been sober enough not to have fallen over the side of the bridge. Also, the bridge railing is high enough that even the 6' 3" Wiley could not have accidentally fallen over it without assistance. Add that to the fact that no one in the history of the bridge had fallen over the side...."

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With Ivins, it was "homicidal" tendencies!

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In discussing why Wiley may have been killed, Madsen writes...

"The South African media has been abuzz with details of that nation's former biological warfare program and its links to the CIA. The South African bio-chemical war program was code-named Project Coast and was centered at the Roodeplat Research Laboratories north of Pretoria. The lab maintained links to the US biowarfare facility at Fort (Detrick) and Britain's Porton Down Laboratory. The head of the South African program, Dr. Wouter Basson, was reportedly offered a job with the CIA in the United States after the fall of the apartheid regime. According to former South African National Intelligence Agency Deputy Director Michael Kennedy, when Basson refused the offer, the CIA allegedly threatened to kill him. Nevertheless, the U.S. pressured the new President, Nelson Mandela, to turn over the records and fruits of Basson's work. Much of this work was reportedly transported to Fort Detrick."

(snip)

"One of the South African's secret projects involved sending anthrax through the mail. Among the techniques that fell into the hands of the Americans was a method by which anthrax spores were, with deadly effect, incorporated on to the gummed flaps of envelopes."

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The timeframe coincides with Kelly's tenure at Porton Down.

This site has an Anthrax timeline from early Oct 01 to May 02--very informative!

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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 09:25 AM
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36. Interesting how the Big Money Media outlets are going with the vaccine motive, but no mention of
BioPort at all.
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 04:51 PM
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37. And interesting how it's mention and the Bush connection has vanished from DU.
Edited on Sun Aug-03-08 04:57 PM by BeHereNow
Things that make you say, "Hmmm."
Skinner? Can you help restore the information?
Did anyone save it?
BHN
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notadmblnd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-04-08 11:50 AM
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38. I hope someone is saving all this info and putting it someplace safe
from disappearance. has anyone come up with the disappeared post yet?
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-04-08 12:05 PM
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41. YES- If we hear back on why it was removed- we will edit and repost-
Starroute thinks it was axed due a certain link with in it.
If we find that it the case, we can edit it out and get what MATTERS
back into the discussion.

BHN
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-04-08 01:54 PM
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42. Well this name really jumped out.
From the OP article:

A frequent speaker is Jerome Hauer, former assistant secretary of health and human services for emergency preparedness. He was a leading proponent of stockpiling anthrax vaccine for civilian use while he was on the government payroll.

In his first few appearances at P.A.V.E. events, Hauer's connections to BioPort weren't disclosed. He'd become a paid consultant.

Later, he took over a new bioterrorism institute at Haider's university.

He was named to BioPort's board of directors in June and has been lobbying for the company's products.


http://www.spinwatch.org/content/view/2226/9


Jerome Hauer. Was he mentioned in any of the deleted posts on this thread? Wouldn't surprise me.

:eyes:





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