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MrScorpio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 12:50 AM
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We're already at war against Iran
Acts of War

August 01, 2008 By Scott Ritter
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The war between the United States and Iran is on. American taxpayer dollars are being used, with the permission of Congress, to fund activities that result in Iranians being killed and wounded, and Iranian property destroyed. This wanton violation of a nation's sovereignty would not be tolerated if the tables were turned and Americans were being subjected to Iranian-funded covert actions that took the lives of Americans, on American soil, and destroyed American property and livelihood. Many Americans remain unaware of what is transpiring abroad in their name. Many of those who are cognizant of these activities are supportive of them, an outgrowth of misguided sentiment which holds Iran accountable for a list of grievances used by the U.S. government to justify the ongoing global war on terror. Iran, we are told, is not just a nation pursuing nuclear weapons, but is the large! st state sponsor of terror in the world today.



Much of the information behind this is being promulgated by Israel, which has a vested interest in seeing Iran neutralized as a potential threat. But Israel is joined by another source, even more puzzling in terms of its broad-based acceptance in the world of American journalism: the Mujahadeen-e Khalk, or MEK, an Iranian opposition group sworn to overthrow the theocracy in Tehran. The CIA today provides material support to the actions of the MEK inside Iran. The recent spate of explosions in Iran, including a particularly devastating "accident" involving a military convoy transporting ammunition in downtown Tehran, appears to be linked to an MEK operation; its agents working inside munitions manufacturing plants deliberately are committing acts of sabotage which lead to such explosions. If CIA money and planning support are behind these actions, the agency's backing constit! utes nothing less than an act of war on the part of the United States against Iran.

http://www.zmag.org/znet/viewArticle/18318


Bush is harking back to modify the tactics of what was used in Central America during the 70's and 80's

Nothing but blood on his hands
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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 01:21 AM
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1. Culture war,colonialism or crusade? brutes evangelizing the world for a prize..
Edited on Sat Aug-02-08 01:24 AM by undergroundpanther
In order to justify what is nothing short than a
global anti-Islamic crusade, in which a proposed
invasion of Iran is just one step, Hagee repeats many
of the worn-out, tired clichés about Islam that were,
and still are, part of the stock vocabulary of
Christian fundamentalism. Islam and Christianity are
poles apart, he insists. He claims that Muslims and
Christians do not even worship the same God, and that
Allah is actually 'the moon god of Mecca' (p.2). While
Christianity is said to teach peace and love, Islam,
he contends, does precisely the opposite. He claims
that Islam was spread by the sword by the Prophet
Muhammad and his followers, while, ignoring the
centuries of Christian aggression, he writes that
Christianity was spread through love and charity.
Islam, he claims, insists that Muslims must kill all
non-Muslims if they do not accept to accept Islam.
Muslims, are by definition, 'terrorists', he says,
because their religion allegedly teaches them that
this is precisely what they should be. Muslims, he
goes on, are driven to hate non-Muslims because their
religion allegedly tells them to do so. Islam, he
writes, has an 'absolute commitment' to 'violence, to
murder and to terror'. (p.70). Muslims' supposed
hatred of the West, he claims, is because the West
(supposedly) champions democracy, freedom, women's
rights, men's respect for women, education, the love
of life, equality and so on, all of which, so Hagee
wants his readers to believe, Islam strongly
proscribes (p.28).


The ultimate aim of Muslims, Hagee claims, is to
destroy the West, kill all Jews and Christians,
because, he writes, this is 'their ticket to heaven
and the seventy-two virgins that await them there'
(p.23). Muslims, he argues, aim to conquering the
whole world and establishing a one-world Islamic
government (pp.6-16). He terrorizes his readers into
believing that a massive Muslim 'religious army,
unlike anything the Western world has seen since the
sawn of civilization' is now preparing for war against
the West, intending to conquer it and force Christians
and Jews into slavery if they do not accept Islam.
(p.6)

http://www.countercurrents.org/sikand110608.htm
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1021691/Church-doing-convert-UK-Muslims-says-bishop.html
http://www.crusadewatch.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=873&Itemid=54
http://www.lankaweb.com/news/items08/010708-2.html
http://www.christianaggression.org/item_display.php?type=ARTICLES&id=1059661197

The fucking Christian fundies are hell bent on culture war,and starting WW3.All to get their fucking"reward",no matter how many die,suffer get tortured and raped.Narcissistic religion SUCKS.And Christianity and it's carrot and stick bullshit,is an abusive kind of narcissistic.
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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 04:09 AM
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3. when the cold war with the Soviet Union was on - Islam was barely ever mentioned
by fundamentalist Christians - this is a new thing. I grew up around lots of Christian-fundamentalist influence and I can say that in those days Islam was almost never, ever even alluded to.

Then again the overwhelmingly secularist people who now comprise the neoconservatives almost never mentioned "Islamic extremism" in those days either. In the late 80's they were too busy trying to convince the Reagan Administration not to negotiate with the Soviets and not to be fooled by Gorbachev.

Even in the foreign policy neoconservative wing of the Democratic Party as exemplified by the likes of The New Republic and the so-called Progressive Policy Institute, even they only discovered their new enemy as the hammer and sickle was being lowered from Red Square in Moscow.

Their political agenda and sense of purpose simply requires a permanent enemy.

"Oceania is at war with Eurasia. Oceania has always been at war with Eurasia." - George Orwell
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Meiko Donating Member (73 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 07:01 PM
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5. Me thinks
you are confused and you paint with a very wide brush.....but by all means please continue with your next rant......
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magellan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 01:39 AM
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2. Oh well, at least the oil barons will have their offshore drilling
The rest of us are well and truly screwed any way you look at it, but the haves will have more. Hurray for Amerika!

On a slightly more serious note, Bush** really isn't doing anything different with Iran than he did with Iraq. We were in there causing trouble, and dropping bombs on innocent people, and generally softening the place up for attack LONG before the actual invasion took place.

No one in a position to stop an attack on Iran will do it. There are no heroes, just the complicit.
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bos1 Donating Member (997 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 06:12 AM
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4. Ritter was right about WMD, Iraq War, Bush & Cheney
so people had better listen to him now
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