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happydreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 04:48 PM
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Conserving my compassion for compassionate conservatives.
Another conservative passes away. There will be many more. We pause, take stock, then go about our business.
A month ago it was Dick Russert, a week ago Jesse Helms. Some of us, like me, don't care when one of their ilk croaks. That's just the way I feel. Some are troubled with their feelings in this regard. I am not. I don't gloat over their death.

What somebody does in their life is what is relevant to me. How many people, outside of those who supported them, cried when Hitler died, or Mussolini or Ghengis Khan? Certainly not their victims. If Americans knew the real G W Bush and his real past I'm sure there would be far fewer tears shed than otherwise if he died. As extreme as it may seem to some I believe that, given enough power, Bush and his ilk would match or exceed the horror of the three leaders above. Those who facilitated the Bush administrations grip on power, and Snow certainly was one of them are in my mind similar to those who supported Hitler or Mussolini.

It is no small irony that those who supported Hitler and Mussolini were many homegrown Americans who trumpted "Americanism" and other inanities while being contemptuous of Constitutional government. These supporters of fascism knew exactly what these thugs did in the streets of their respective countries (murder and mayhem) to get into power and they backed them anyway. Indeed they even tried to emulate them creating such organizations as the Black Legion, American Bund, Khaki Shirts, Blue Shirts, and, oddly enough, the American Legion. The Bush family was one of these supporters and what they are trying to do, IMO, is similar to what Hitler wanted.
Rove wanted a "permanent conservative majority", that sounds eerily similar to Hitlers dream of a thousand year Reich. Leo Strauss the father of the neo-con movement was a true believer in fascism. He idolized Hitler. None of these three saw the relevance of freedom, the need for leadership to change to meet changing circumstances. They were all in it for their own sake. Hitler was a psychopath and, IMO, Bush is too. If Bush and his interests allowed to stay in power the human race will be extinct as surely as it would have been had Hitler succeeded in his dreams.

The insanity of it all is that we are in a war for oil that, if it is used, will destroy the environment via carbon emissions. In other words, even if we get the oil it is crazy to think we can keep on burning it. It is precisely this kind of insanity that must stop or we are doomed.

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A little something on Snow:

Tony Snow’s Libby Presser: A web of lies
By: John Amato @ 11:17 AM - PDT
I’m making two video clips because there is so much deceit in everything Snow says that I wanted you to see most of it. What was up with that creepy black background? Was it the cameras or was it staged that way? Look at this…A new SurveyUSA poll says that America wants Scooter in jail…Repeat after me: Obstruction of Justice!

He was spinning so much that smoke was coming from the soles of his feet and the Press Room could barely keep up with him. He earned his money today for the cult of Bush. When he says that they commuted him now before Scooter served any jail time because they didn’t want to lose the paperwork—I mean—this is too much. The years being a FOX host paid off in spades for the White House. He even had the audacity to claim that the 250,000 dollar fine was a hardship on poor old Scooter. Fred Thompson helped raise 4 million dollars for Scooter outside his own personal fortune and Matalin had the nerve during the Walter Reed scandal to beg for more money…And you know they will support him the rest of his life.


Bush and Cheney are laughing at you. They are laughing at the press that was wrapped up in this case from the beginning and they are laughing at the legal system of the country. Some questions were asked about Cheney’s involvement in asking Bush to help his pal and Snow said he had no direct knowledge, but someone might have mentioned it. Ed Henry brought up Bush’s “I’ll fire anyone who leaked anything,” regarding Rove, Snow said he wouldn’t comment….Another reporter said:

“How can you stand there with a straight face and say this isn’t a political act? What he did was inherently political.

Snow said he has the POWER to do it….Please post in the comment section all the falsehoods Snow said in these two clips so we can have a record…I know, it’s a monumental task. Every time he opens his mouth he spins and spins and spins…

Filed Under: Plame Case/Pat Fitzgerald, Tony Snow

http://www.crooksandliars.com/category/white-house/tony-snow/


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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 04:52 PM
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1. Tony Snow made his decisions in life.
And he will be remembered for them and judged accordingly, as we all are, ultimately.

Condolences to his family. 53 is too young.
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OnTheOtherHand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 05:10 PM
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2. "Dick Russert"? "another conservative"?
He worked for Mario Cuomo. I'm thinking maybe he wasn't all that conservative. :eyes:

As for the rest, I'm just not going there. Life is too short.
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happydreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 02:37 PM
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4. Sorry about the major fuckup with his first name. Dickhead Russturd
was worse than a conservative he was one of those hosts who never confronted any of these fascists with the tough questions, though he looked like he was being tough to people who don't know jack about what is really going on.
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devilgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 03:57 PM
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6. Dick Morris worked for Bill Clinton - does that automatically make him a democrat?
Tim Russert was a corporate toady - bfd, he worked for Cuomo, it is what he became that draws well deserved ire.
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OnTheOtherHand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 04:36 PM
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9. ?
The analogy to Dick Morris is weak -- Morris wasn't Clinton's chief spokesperson, by a long shot. But I don't know whether Russert was a Democrat. Apparently it's irrelevant, since your complaint here is that he was a "corporate toady." Maybe that's interchangeable with "conservative."
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devilgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 11:17 PM
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11. Yeah, Tim Russert - a total liberal if there ever was one!
:sarcasm:
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KitchenWitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 06:08 PM
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14. And Chris Cuomo is Mario Cuomo's son
Does that mean GMA is Democratic and Liberal?

:eyes:
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pretzel4gore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 06:17 PM
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3. agree....
for some reason the out and out criminality of the rightwingers is trumped by the necessity of our side being nice. Russert, buckley, whelms and now snow.....the busheviki are busy preparing their defense for defrauding the American people apparently (we libs are so soft hearted when faced with our repub friends terrible losses; and btw all them 'quiet teams' re: Michael Clayton, are just sitting around doing nothing....)
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New Dawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 03:48 PM
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5. K&R
Good post.
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happydreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 06:55 PM
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15. Thanks. It's good to see Du'ers calling BS on this hubbub about Snows death...
The neo-cons really know how to divide dems on this. Everytime one of em' croaks the use their control of media to garner compassion.
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 04:21 PM
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7. I hate how we're supposed to pretend that these Bush-enablers
like Russert and Snow were just great guys we happened to sometimes disagree with. Bullshit. They took actions in their lives that had real and damaging impacts on thousands of people. Countless people have suffered and died because of this administration.

Also, there is a difference between pointing out that these people did harmful things and "gloating" over their deaths or "dancing on their graves." If I point out that Russert was Cheney's favorite go-to guy, or Tony Snow lied in service of fascism, I'm not gloating or dancing. That is lost on a good number of people here on DU.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 04:30 PM
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8. Exactly. His willful lies helped murder a million Iraqis.
NT!

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happydreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 06:07 PM
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13. You nailed it there. It is that simple, he facilitated the murder of
innocents, our military as well. Thanks for weighing in.
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Pamela Troy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 05:07 PM
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10. So, if you express compassion for Tony Snow for dying painfully of colon cancer
at the age of 53, are you afraid this lack of "conservation" will cause you to come up empty when a good liberal deserves compassion? Will you look in your bag and say, "Oh no! I'm fresh out?"

Is that how your compassion works?
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happydreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 06:05 PM
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12. Fuck Tony Snow! I wouldn't waste my compassion on that PSYCHOphant
Edited on Mon Jul-14-08 06:12 PM by happydreams
for fascists if I was drowning in excess compassion.
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