Have Any DU'ers Trashing Jenna's Book Actually READ It? BTW, AIDS Is A Kind Of Holocaust

[KittyWampus]

I find it particularly distasteful when GOP'ers trash books, movies and artwork they haven't even read or witnessed personally. It seems really out of place here on DU.

Is Jenna's book about Jenna? Or is about a woman dealing with AIDS?

If the book concerns a woman who has AIDS, guess what- AIDS has caused a form of Holocaust.

Maybe the book was written by a ghostwriter. Maybe it will twist the issue.

But unless you've actually read it and know the facts of the matter... you are really speaking prematurely.

[TheLeftyMom]

1. I agree

And just because she grew up in a freak-wing-nut family doesn't mean that she's cut from the same cloth. I posted earlier that I hope she grew up to be her own woman and that this is our first sign.

[Matariki]

2. Ronald Reagan Jr is a good example of what's possible

[Sydnie]

24. She is NO Ron Jr.

[Matariki]

25. no kidding. i wasn't saying she was.

i was agreeing that it's possible for a person with right-wingnut parents to come out sensible.

[Sydnie]

28. And Patty Davis too

Must have been something Nancy did right, cuz his first family didn't bend at all, did they?

[northzax]

43. oh my god, a college student who got drunk!

can you fucking imagine? Can you swear to me, right now, that at the age of 20, you never got drunk and did something stupid like fall on a floor?


something like "I, Syndie, have never been to a party where I got drunk or acted inappropriately. I hereby swear that I will never be observed acting my age."

otherwise, quit with the freaking hypocrisy, already.

[Sydnie]

57. It's not about ME

It's about someone who wants to be compared with Anne Frank, isn't it?

Did Anne Frank get drunk and fall down on the floor when she was in college? Oops, that's right. She didn't live long enough to get to college.

Did we see any pictures of Ron Jr. drunk and falling down when he was in college? Didn't think so.

I also didn't have a father who was the "leader of the free world", secret service agents with me 24-7, and people just dying to take a picture of me screwing up. Did you? Both these examples did.

My father was a public figure and an elected official. I never ONCE had my picture taken with my tongue sticking out, in or out of an official vehicle.

Get over yourself. It's not about MY behavior.

[Colobo]

91. I can

I'm 23, never been drunk, stoned or anything. I'm afraid of altered states of consciousness.

By the way, good for Jenna Bush.

[Maine-ah]

83. hey, when I was her age I was out partying too.

I never found her behavor odd or different from any other girl her age :shrug: I'm surprised neither of them have shaved their heads and landed in re-hab for being part of that family.

[tridim]

3. "Our Dad is sooooo cooool!" -Jenna 2004

She didn't write jack squat.

[JanMichael]

4. My post wasn't to trash her book; it was to ask a simple question

Don't you wonder why she had to travel so far to find the mother she used as the subject of her book?

My comment was if she had written a story about a US citizen...would it have been published?

I think not.

[KittyWampus]

6. maybe she wanted to leave the country and get away from her parents for a while

I don't know.

But she is the POS POTUS's daughter so actually any book she wrote would probably get published.

[stevedeshazer]

5. No, I haven't read it

It hasn't been published yet.

Look, if Jenna succeeds in shedding her image and actually does something positive for society, great. I'm sure you understand why many of us remain skeptical of any claim made by any member of the Bush Crime Family.

[AndyA]

7. Don't you find it a bit hypocritical that she's writing such a book?

And what is the motivation for doing it? Out of the goodness of her heart? Did she finally discover compassion and learn how to care for others? A quick look back at her family, and her history shows that she hasn't exactly been Mother Teresa.

If the book were written by someone with a past history of concern for the poor and a resume of work done to help others, I doubt many would question it. Jimmy Carter, for instance. If he wrote a book about housing for the underprivileged, few would likely say that was strange.

But a book about AIDS from Jenna Bush? She'd do more good sitting down with her Father and having a good, long discussion with him about how much damage and harm he's doing to humanity at large.

Save some trees, Jenna, and concentrate your good efforts where they can really count: with your evil family.

[Johonny]

10. And I had to read

a thousand messages on Al Gores House. I'll put up Al Gore's house against Jenna Bushes' abstinence any day.

[rinsd]

58. How is it hypocritical?

"her history shows that she hasn't exactly been Mother Teresa"

Oh my god she had sex and drank as a teenager. Oh and once she stuck her tongue out at reporters!

Did she claim Aids didn't exist or was some retribution from God?

I don't know of her doing any of that.

[AndyA]

81. And your point is?

She's hardly in a position to advise anyone about AIDS. Unless her 6 months over there have made her an expert. What is she actually doing to HELP PEOPLE? The people who need advise and help will not likely be able to afford her book, even if they knew about it.

The bitch is a hypocrit, just like her parents that she adores so much.

[rinsd]

84. Is she writing a policy paper on AIDS? Or a fictional book?

"She's hardly in a position to advise anyone about AIDS. Unless her 6 months over there have made her an expert. What is she actually doing to HELP PEOPLE? The people who need advise and help will not likely be able to afford her book, even if they knew about it"

What have YOU done to stop AIDS? Seriously if you want to throw around the word hypocrite and then use the above absurd reasoning I suggest you take a look in the mirror.

[AndyA]

89. You don't know me, so you have no idea what I have or haven't done.

You need to consider that before you start slamming people you know NOTHING ABOUT. And at any rate, that's beside the point.

Before you go defending this bitch, look to see where the proceeds from the book are going.

Hint: A portion will be going to a charity that does not provide condoms, but believes in the good old "abstinence is the only way" bullshit.

I guess ignorance is always the best policy. :eyes:

[rinsd]

90. "you start slamming people you know NOTHING ABOUT"

Very true. Again the whole mirror thing.

"Hint: A portion will be going to a charity that does not provide condoms, but believes in the good old "abstinence is the only way" bullshit."

That evil UNICEF!

"I guess ignorance is always the best policy"

For you it appears to be working out fabulously.

[AndyA]

92. I try to keep an open mind and have respect for other people's opinions,

but when someone challenges others without qualifying themselves as being in a position to make a challenge, and then resorts to childish insults, they just aren't worth the effort.

It's OK for people to disagree, but you are out of line with your insulting remarks.

You should be ashamed of yourself for supporting a family that has done so much harm to America. And you should be ashamed of yourself for the childish way you've acted.

You are #3 on my ignore list. Grow up.

[nashville_brook]

8. have to admit... it's the ULTIMATE act of REBELLION for a bush to write a *BOOK*

with words!

[TheCowsCameHome]

9. Too bad she didn't write it while serving in Iraq

Then it might be worth reading.

[Johonny]

11. The question is

has Jenna Read it.

[Richard D]

19. The other questions is . . .

. . . *Could* her father read it?

[Sydnie]

21. Because there is no way she stopped partying in South America

long enough to WRITE it. Great example of "ghost" writing if you ask me.

[rebel with a cause]

12. Most of our comments were not about her book.

They were about her and her comment where she compared herself to Anne Frank.

Geesh, this being sensitive to others is good, but it can be taken too far. I grew up to be kind to everyone, but when someone hurts you and/or yours, you sometimes use humor (and even anger) to take the hurt away or at least to lessen it. Jenna bush and her family have been a part of our lives for the last six years, and we have suffered for it. Forgive me if I don't fall all over her latest attempt to get herself some success without really working for it. There is only so much I can take from the do little, get much crowd. Poor Jenna.:cry: Not!

edited for spelling.

[LynneSin]

16. I'm just shocked that there are no HIV+ single moms in the US she could have written about

:sarcasm:

I think the topic is very important but I hardly believe that Jenna wrote the book and I question why she wouldn't focus on someone in the states

[JanMichael]

17. bingo

my point was just that.

[rebel with a cause]

23. If she had written about someone in the USA

She would have had to write about the fact that programs set up to help women like this were eliminated by her father's administration. She couldn't/wouldn't do that because she is one of daddy's little girls, and he is doing a good job. Funny thing is, that I saw an old episode of "the district" the other day on this subject and they pointed their finger straight at the bush administration.

As for her writing the book? I doubt she had the time with her party globe hopping around Latin America. Perhaps the book is mainly pictures with captions by Jenna. Who knows, but I do know that the book would not be published without her name, and that means that she has not done much (like nothing) for the attention that she will be getting. And as far as Ron Jr., I think he worked for many years before he came to center stage as did many other president's children.

JMHO

[Deja Q]

29. Well, the tinfoilhat theory is that she's going to be living down there, so why not make them feel

all warm and fuzzy? :shrug:

And, yeah, with America's self-esteem down the toilet, what the hell is wrong with showing Americans in trouble?

Or because Americans shouldn't be teenagers as single mothers also harboring a terminal yet controversial disease yet if it's anywhere else in the world we're supposed to feel sympathy; shouldn't it be all or nothing (which then makes one think of globalization, the attempt to put the world on the same level...)

[KittyWampus]

30. she compared HERSELF to Anne Frank or the woman with AIDS the book is about?

[rebel with a cause]

37. She is the author of the book

Anne Frank is the author of her book. The comparison seemed to be between the two of them. but........

If she was comparing the woman in the book to Anne Frank, she is still wrong. Anne Frank was a young girl who died from the Nazi and this woman is a young mother in dying from AIDs probably partly because Jenna's father has cut off funding for groups that give out condoms in these countries and funding for aids relief.

Well, there is a similarity, but I will bet a dollar to a door nail that this is not a part of the book. After all, we have been told over and over that we are not suppose to compare bush to the nazis.

[Carni]

13. I will be very surprised if it's unbiased

I could be wrong...but I just don't believe anyone raised by that buffoon of a Father of hers could have the capacity to do anything good for society.

I am afraid it will be a rehash of the hideous "Compassionate Conservatism" book and it's cruel pinciples that we all have had crammed down our throats for the last 8 years.

I suppose what you say could be possible but I'll believe it when I see it!

[tibbiit]

14. Why would anyone believe she actually wrote it?

I mean, I dont
She is as likely to have writen that book as I did.
tib

[ProfessorGAC]

15. People Were Trashing Her Vainglorious Self-Promotion

I didn't see anyone trashing the book. The thread i read was about her "influence of The Diary of Ann Frank" comment.

That sort of delusional comment needs to be ridiculed.
The Professor

[RaleighNCDUer]

22. What, exactly, was the Anne Frank comment?

Whatever it is, I don't get the comparison.

Jenna is not Anne - the reader starts the Anne Frank narrative knowing that the author is doomed. That adds a significant impact to every bit of it. I don't see how anything Jenna could write would be a fraction as impactful unless it was she was has HIV.

[KittyWampus]

31. The story is about a woman dealing with AIDS- which is a kind of Holocaust- not Jenna

And it sounds to me like the comment Jenna made is being taken totally out of context.

[Richard Steele]

18. Have you? nm

[KittyWampus]

32. No. It hasn't been printed or released. And that's the point of this thread

[Richard Steele]

34. The "benefit of the doubt" only applies WHERE DOUBT STILL EXISTS.

In her case, she's long since removed ANY doubt that she's a
spoiled, elitist little slut-tard who's following in her drunken
cokehead daddy's overprivledged, above-the-law footsteps.

The burden of proof that this book is somehow non-political or
intellectually honest is on HER.

And SHE'S the one who put it there,
with her words and her actions.

[northzax]

47. hello Kettle? this is Pot

you're black.

a drunk little slut-tard? how classy you are. imagine, people getting drunk at bars in their early 20s! I am certain no one on this board has ever done that, ever. and, of course, if a woman acts this way, she must be a slut, right? or do you have some sort of evidence that she has promiscuous sex that no one else seems to?

I can't believe that it is still in any way acceptable on this board to call someone a slut.

[Richard Steele]

51. Had I ever claimed to be "classy", you might have a point. I have not, and you don't.

Why EXACTLY has DU's general (and well-deserved) dislike of this
useless B*sh-spawn touched such a nerve with you here today?

It's far more than just _MY_ offensive comments you've taken issue with.

[Name removed]

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[AndreaCG]

66. Don't forget she was convicted TWICE of underage drinking

Anyone else would have learned that as the President's daughter you're in the spotlight. I suspect Chelsea drank when she was underage but had the discretion not to do so blatantly in public.

[rinsd]

76. So should Al Gore Jr get the same treatment?

After all he was busted for excessive speeding and pot.

Or how about Howard Dean's kid who stole beer.

Or can we just write these things off as kids being kids without using them as weapons against our real targets.

[rinsd]

59. What are you a puritan?

Spoiled I can understand.

But a slut?

[northzax]

72. she's a woman who isn't demure enough

she goes to bars and dances. therefore she is a slut.

see?

[rinsd]

74. I see...unfortunately

[northzax]

80. Welcome to Freeperville, circa 1994

it's pretty disgusting, isn't it?

[jollyreaper2112]

20. right

1) It's probably a pop-up book
2) If not a pop-up, then it's a coloring book
3) If it's neither of those things, someone must have ghostwritten it for her.

If she wants to be Frank, she should go die in a gas chamber. If she takes her family with her, I might be willing to give the book a charitable review.

Is this comment nasty? Yes. Does she and her ilk deserve it? Yes. Trying to debate Republicans in a civilized fashion is just playing into their hands. They are a cancer to be cut out, not coddled.

[Deja Q]

26. It's just politics. The stereotype about politics is that no politician is genuine.

And, yes, some people are undoubtedly speaking prematurely. I have a habit of doing that too.

Trouble is, it's not a left-wing writer pining away over a 17 year old girl, who has AIDS (known as a disease-by-choice by the Republican party), and a baby she made with some willing guy. How many Republican stereotypes are being broken in this book? Especially the compassion part, that's a real :popcorn: moment.

I honestly don't know what to think. But like the rest of life, little adds up anymore so maybe it's not worth trying to think about it?

[Beelzebud]

27. Oh Boo hoo hoo. I'm so tired of the idea that we can't criticize anything.

This drunk brat spends the past decade partying and now we're supposed to take her seriously because she had some ghost writer pen a tale for her?

We're not supposed to say anything when the brat compares herself to Ann Frank?

Give me a break.

Liberal doesn't mean gullible.

[zbdent]

33. There you go, accusing DUers of acting like Republicultists

We actually READ books ... not burn them ...

[LeftishBrit]

35. Has anyone read it? Is it available anywhere?

I am pretty cynical about Jenna, and suspect that it was probably ghostwritten, or at least that she had lots of help from people who won't be acknowledged. But I see the point about needing to wait for the book.

To be absolutely fair on her (which is hard to do!) she didn't actually say that she was like Anne Frank; she said that she hoped the book would have the same impact as Anne Frank's diary: presumably meaning that it would increase AIDS awareness as Anne Frank's diary increased Holocaust awareness. It's a bad comparison, especially as Anne Frank's diary was published after the Holocaust had already taken place, while AIDS is an ongoing problem. But it's not exactly the same as comparing herself with Anne Frank.

[earth mom]

36. So far Jenna has proven that the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

So why are you defending her or even expecting better of her? And why does it matter to you what others think of her? Group think is for freeperville.

[July]

38. I don't know about anyone else, but I'm trashing HER, not her book.

And lots of DUers don't need any "guess what" about AIDS and its effects on individuals and society, being HIV-positive themselves or having friends and relatives with AIDS -- or having lost friends and relatives to AIDS, as I have.

I expect very little from Ms. Bush, judging from what we know of her so far. If her book does any good, whether written by her or not, I'll be glad, but my best guess right now is that she'll have the same effect that her mother's work on gangs has had.

[Richard Steele]

41. Just like the vast majority of us who have commented.

I don't know where the OP is seeing all the alleged "posts
which are trashing the book".

[northzax]

45. and what, pray tell

do you actually know about her?

cause I see a young person trying to find a place in the world outside of the influence of her father, while not taking advantage of her position as the daughter of the President of the United States for financial gain. I see someone who went to college, graduated in four years, did some stupid things in college, perhaps, but certainly nothing worse that 90% of college students do, who then worked in a school for a few years and, instead of taking a readily accesible corporate job due to family influence, went to work with the less fortunate. And know is using her connections to publish a book highlighting an epidemic with the proceeds going to charity.

wait a minute, this, with the exception of the book part (and the female part), describes, well, me and most of my cousins. It also describes, well, Barack Obama (without the family money part)

so tell me, what do you know of her besides that which would lead to to expect one thing or another?

[Richard Steele]

62. Jenna is "not taking advantage of her position as the daughter of the President..."?

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[northzax]

63. did you read the rest?

"for financial gain"

or maybe she is getting mad money from UNICEF?


it does help to read entire sentences, you know.

[Richard Steele]

64. Yup. Managed to read your entire post through the tears of laughter. Wasn't easy!

[northzax]

65. right

sorry, my bad. I forgot that teacher's aides and UNICEF interns are some of the most highly paid people in the world. Damn, she must be pulling in like 20-25 grand a YEAR! that's big time money.

and to donate the proceeds from writing a book to charity? that is totally evil and moneygrubbing. she should have some sort of stake driven through her heart for even considering it.

sorry, I forgot. she is a Bush, therefore she is evil. my bad.

[Richard Steele]

67. Yeah, Jenna's scraping by on 30 grand a year! Yer KILLING me over here!

[northzax]

68. ok, I will give you your chance

please cite a way in which you believe she has profited, financially, from her father being President.

Please. right here.

[Richard Steele]

71. YOU are gonna "give me my chance"? Gee, condescending much?

Wasn't aware I needed your permission. How gracious of you!

[northzax]

73. so I guess that means no?

you don't have any evidence? shocked, I am shocked, I tell you.

you made an accusation about someone. it is customary to make accusations about someone when one has something to back it up with. At least, I learned this in kindergarten. So, you make an accusation, you say she is taking advantage of her father's position for financial gain. so take this opportunity to demonstrate that you know of what you speak.

otherwise, you are simply slinging mud and hatred. so which is it?

a: you have some evidence of your accustion.
b: you are simply accusing someone without any evidence.

your call.

[Richard Steele]

78. Of course you do, sweetie. Of course you do.

It has NOTHING to do with the fact that your premise
is too laughable to waste words on, right?

Rest assured, EVERYONE who ever gets tired of playing
your little games is actually admitting that you are right.

But you GUESSED that already as well, dintcha?

[northzax]

79. I've posted mine

you post yours. that's how this 'little game' works. but it does take two to tango, as they say, and if only one side posts anything constructive, it breaks down, alas.

or, you simply call the other arguement 'too laughable to waste words on' and walk away without saying anything.

I, personally, think that anything that brings attention to AIDS widows in the developing world is a good thing. You apparently do not. You think that working for UNICEF is making money, I, who know people working for UNICEF on the same program, happen to think differently. it's a simple matter of a disagreement of opinion, I suppose.

[July]

69. I don't know her personally, if that's what you're getting at.

I do take an interest in the Bush and Cheney families, so I know what's been reported about them. So far, not impressed.

I'm not sure how long exactly she worked in a school (NOT as a teacher, as the article about her book claimed), but I think it fell short of "a few years." Possibly two. I haven't read that she "went to work with the less fortunate," so why don't you tell me about that? Where, when, for how long?

I do think she's done worse than "90% of college students," in part because she seemed to fail to recognize, after living as a member of a prominent family all of her life and as the daughter of someone who had already been a governor before he squatted in the White House, that she was highly visible and could embarrass her parents. I had some fun in college, but if I knew that photographers might follow me and embarrass my family, I'm quite sure I'd have made different choices than those J. Bush has made. What's been reported about her suggests that, like her father, she thinks rules and good manners are for the little people. A sense of decorum doesn't escape all children of presidents, but perhaps there is a different rule for children of (p)residents. The fact that Jenna and Barb spoke in support of their father during the 2004 campaign also suggests to me that Jenna is on board with Dad's nasty agenda -- for me, that's another strike against her. She could have sat that out, but she made her choice, and it was a bad one.

I've already said that if Bush's book has a positive effect, I'll be glad. AIDS is very, very personal to me. Just don't expect me to be impressed with someone who's acted like a privileged brat so far. Her hope that her book will have an influence like The Diary of Anne Frank is arrogant and deluded. That book has been taught in high schools for years because it is so powerful and well-written (by someone younger than JB). She must have tons of faith in her writing skills.

If you care about helping people with AIDS, we're on the same team. But I don't have to give Jenna Bush credibility she hasn't earned until her puffy statements about her book are supported by someone (actually, by many someones) other than her.

[TahitiNut]

39. Does this look like an author?

[northzax]

44. oh my god!

she has a tongue!

no authors have tongues. or ever act inappropriately, ever.

[TahitiNut]

46. If that's all you conclude from that behavior, you're a far kinder person than I.

That Secret Service agent puts her life on the line to safeguard that spoiled brat who's riding in a bullet-proof limousine paid for with taxpayer dollars ... as she demonstrates her attitude toward working taxpayers.

"has a tongue"? "inappropriately"? You might as well just say she's blonde if that's all that's drawn from that photo.
:eyes:

Go ahead and buy her book ... maybe it's on sale with Coulter's.

[northzax]

48. fine, one stupid action

fairly harmless, and she is condemmed for life.

I guess I should just go away, since I have done many worse things in my life. And you probably wouldn't like my father, either, so I am double condemned.

go ahead and discard her book, no need to have anyone try to raise the profile of the acourge of AIDS among the poor, it's much more fun to talk about an old picture.

[walldude]

50. LOL.. there's been a lot more than one.

But I will give you this, they say "write what you know" and nobody would know more about the struggles of AIDS among the poor than a member of the Bush family :eyes:

[northzax]

53. see, there's your problem

you see the name Bush and immediately hate. you hate her father, reasonably, therefore you also hate her. it's the single least appealing side of this board.

[walldude]

75. Yes that's my problem...

not being a fool. Kind of like your problem of putting words in other peoples mouths. I didn't say I hate anyone, what I said was I doubt some spoiled, pampered little brat could tell me more about AIDS among the poor than someone who's oh, say, actually been poor, or someone who actually has AIDS.

Oh and one more thing, I never trashed her book, I just wouldn't waste my time on it, just like I wouldn't waste my time reading a book about liberals written by Ann Coulter.

[RB TexLa]

82. I thought her attitude was demostrated toward the press when she did that?

[TahitiNut]

85. The press doesn't work? The press doesn't pay taxes?

:eyes:

[RB TexLa]

86. So if you say something not flattering about Cheney you are demeaning taxpayers?

ok

[TahitiNut]

87. There's a difference between a tax payer and a tax spender.

Didn't you get the note? :eyes:

[EFerrari]

54. What evidence do you have that she authored ANYTHING?

:shrug:

[northzax]

55. well, since she hasn't started writing it

none. once it is released or underway, we will know more, won't we?

[EFerrari]

56. There you go. So, she's not an "author" at all. n/t

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

40. I'm sure she wrote it because she's a wonderful human being.

:spray:

[EFerrari]

49. You forgot chaste, patriotic and thrifty

I wonder who the poor slob is that ghosted this.

Meanwhile, her idiot father is withholding aid to countries that distribute condoms.

:crazy:

[WinkyDink]

42. I doubt Jenna is any kind of writer. Moreover, comparing herself to Anne Frank was the

disgusting part.
Miss Frank actually lived what she wrote.

Get back to me about Jenna. And let me know if her book includes discussions of prophylactic use, or if it will be abstinence-only-heavy.

[Mr. Ected]

60. I Feel Comfortable Dissing the Messenger In This Case

But not the message.

[lectrobyte]

61. Haven't read the book. This comment by her, though, is what I have

a problem with. Modestly hoping it has the influence of the Diary of Anne Frank? Sure. Whatever. I'm happy she's doing something other than partying, though, and I realize that she is in a position to do more good in the fight of AIDS than probably 99% of the folks here on DU. I just wish the arrogance was dialed back a notch or two.

[Jax]

70. I'll trash her spoiler brat rich butt until she get it to Iraq

she is her despicable using clueless father's daughter....to a tee.

[David Zephyr]

77. I don't need to "learn" anything from a "Bush" about AIDS.

Drape the AIDS quilt over Jenna's grandfather's casket when the fucker dies. That's the Bush family legacy regarding AIDS.

Nothing this little explotative girl will ever write can redeem that family in my eyes. Ever.

Here's a photo of the Bush Family Legacy on AIDS.

[mitchum]

88. Jenna's family hides behind the cross and flag, not the bookcase