mc stupid says 'victory in Iraq' will pay off the deficit.

[Philosoraptor]

He says when we win the war, we'll all have more money in our pockets. I thought he also said we'd be there for many, many decades. So when will there be a 'victory' mr. mc nuttball, and when will we see more money in our pockets?

We're in a depression BECAUSE OF THE STUPID FUCKING WAR you moran.

http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/07/mccain-campaign-victory-in-iraq-will-pay-off-the-deficit/

In a paper released today, Sen. John McCain’s (R-AZ) made the laughable claim that a McCain administration would pay off the enormous deficit through “savings from victory in the Iraq and Afghanistan operations.” The claim comes on the same day McCain’s campaign vowed to balance the budget in four years — while refusing to name any specifics on how to go about achieving that goal.

[stray cat]

1. So when will he be done "winning in Iraq' and how much in debt will we be then?

[Frank Cannon]

2. That boy... well, he ain't right.

[KharmaTrain]

3. He's Clueless On Economics...

First of all, maybe someone can answer this one. How do you save money from a budget when the money isn't even on the books? Does anyone have an idea how much is being squandered in Iraq? Not just the money in keeping this occupation going, but all the billions to contractors that dissapear. Of course not all this money is coming from our pockets, this regime borrowed it, thus the bills will be coming for years after we're gone...and did Gramps put that in his "calculations"?

Then there's the question about the billions that will be needed to take care of those who fought this war and their years and decades of care. The PTSD cases are intense and many returning vets will need years of care to try to be able to sleep at night or keep themselves from destroying their lives. Did gramps put this in his "calcuations"?

And, of course, there's the "spoils" of war...the rebuilding. Where's the money gonna come from that? Most people in Iraq still don't get reliable electricity or drinkable water. A large portion of the country's infrastructure is obsolete or destroyed...whose gonna pay for that...and did Gramps put that in his "calculations"?

Be assured, the turf is being laid for future blames here...as though all this pie in the sky bullshit will be eaten up by the corporate media and if Obama is elected, they'll try to hold him to these goofy "standards".

[Philosoraptor]

5. The gop designs their platform for the extremely stupid

And the stupider the idea, the better the repubs like it.

[KharmaTrain]

9. All Pavolian

Nothing based on reality here...no matter how compelling the argument. He's not only playing on stupid, he's playing on selfish.

Face it, none of us like paying taxes. But then I do like driving across bridges that don't fall down and have decent schools and a police department that hasn't been outsourced to Blackwater. But that does cost money and we've seen what letting the "marketplace" has done when it comes to "saving money".

It's as if GOOPers feel they are entitled to everything yet shouldn't have to pay for it. They had 7 1/2 years to squeeze government down Grover's bathtub...and what did they do? They expanded it.

Nuff said.

Cheers...

[ProfessorGAC]

7. The Money Is On The Books

It's off budget, not off the books. Big difference, KT.
The Professor

[KharmaTrain]

8. True Professor

But two questions...

1.) Do you think Gramps even calculates this in? All he's probably playing with are OMB numbers.

2.) And how about all those billions on the pallets that were sitting around Baghdad airport. Ya don't think there's a backdoor slush fund at work here that has shoveled billions to pet contractors and donors?

It's definitely not off the books...just look at how weak the dollar is.

Cheers...

[ProfessorGAC]

11. Answers:

1.) Do you think Gramps even calculates this in? All he's probably playing with are OMB numbers.
No, of course not. He couldn't comprehend an economy of the size of ours. And, my cats are better at calculating numbers than he is.

2.) And how about all those billions on the pallets that were sitting around Baghdad airport. Ya don't think there's a backdoor slush fund at work here that has shoveled billions to pet contractors and donors?
That's what i said! Being off the budget makes those types of shady dealings much harder to track. We know that the money is spent, but we'll probably never know where or how it was spent. It will just be ledgered as "Iraq Spending".

I was just picking a small nit. We agree on nearly everything else.
GAC

[pwb]

10. the war is on the republican sub-prime government credit card.

borrow and spend.

[ProfessorGAC]

12. It's Gotta Be Subprime, Now

Look at the price of a dollar in overseas trading!
GAC

[KharmaTrain]

15. Probably Worse

Be assured this regime is barely cracking the interest on the huge debt they've created...with the balance being added to the principal and the whole thing revolves. They pulled this crap in the 80's...and the big banks loved it...they made billions in just interest and still are...the principal is nowhere in sight. A weaker dollar only adds to this mess...but if you're a lender, you're golden.

[hobbit709]

4. My mother tells me of the spring of 1945.

When she could hear the Soviet artillery on the outskirts of Vienna, the official radio was still going on about how the German Army was about to achieve a "glorious" victory over its enemies.
sounds like a similar set of delusions to me.

[Philosoraptor]

6. Victory in Iraq will also open the clouds for the return of Christ.

[raccoon]

13. Yeah, just like Iraq's oil was going to pay for the war.

"Fool me once...shame on you. Fool me twice....won't get fooled again." (sic)

[Turbineguy]

14. We'll borrow and spend

our way to prosperity!

[LiberalFighter]

16. In the meantime how much long will we have to pay before there is a victory?

March 19, 2003 we attack and went to war against Iraq. May 1, 2003 we declared victory and we have still been paying.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

17. Just like the "Victory" in Vietnam did? Will the insurgents give us a Marshall plan?

Do the Repubs actually believe they can win the presidency with this guy?

[PVnRT]

18. Will we all get magical flying ponies, too?

[Philosoraptor]

19. But of course....

[Proud Liberal Dem]

20. He said WHAT?

THAT'S his plan???? How exactly are we going to start saving money if (according to him) we haven't "won" yet and thus can't stop continuing to fund our expensive operations in Iraq? Didn't he once say that it would be o.k. with him if we stayed there for another 100 years? Or didn't he also say something about not being able to achieve "victory" (whatever the hell THAT means) until 2013 (the start of his "second term")?
I can't wait to hear Obama pick THIS apart in the debates. Talk about low-hanging fruit! It just doesn't get any lower than this!

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