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arcadian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-05-08 02:07 PM
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Bush Monticello security, a public relations fiasco.
I've seen some interest in the security situation at Monticello so I will post this as my experiences and observations.

I tried to get tickets for the event on Wed. but as another poster pointed out, the line was really long, the first 250 people snatched up 1000 tickets because everybody took 4 tickets per person. So they really only gave tickets to 300 people or so. I was pissed.

So I decided I was just going to go up to C'ville on the Fourth of July and protest and get pictures of the motorcade and maybe Air Force 1. I got off on the Monticello exit and instead of going to the park where the protesters were meeting, which was to the right, I went left and decided I was going to get some pics of people getting on the buses which took them to Monticello. Those buses departed from Piedmont Community College which was just up from where the new Monticello visitor center is located.

I see all the buses and see all the people getting on the buses as I pull into the school's parking area. Looking for a parking place I recognize Desiree, whom I'd never met, from the Condi/bloody hands photo of her. I park and go up to her and Linda who is a local C'ville Code Pink activist. I had met Linda and David(whom I knew from previous Anti-War protests) that past Wed. when we all did not get tickets to the Bush event. Anyway, they somehow now had tickets and asked me if I was going up to the event. I said, "No, I haven't got a ticket.", they said, "We have an extra, do you want it?" I hesitated at first and then said, "Yes!".

We all got on the buses and went up. Some of the protesters at that point in the line were afraid they would be recognized, but I didn't really think much of it, I know how much the average person reads the news(never), so I wasn't concerned, but you never know, so I guess it's good to stay on the safe side.

Anyway, got up to Monticello, which was know completely cordoned off. The road all the way up was closed. The road from the I-64 off ramp all the way to the Monticello visitors center was closed off too, as was the road beyond the visitor center miles and miles away to a high school where Bush got off his chopper and got in the motorcade. Got up the mountain, people were being sheepled through two medal detectors. These were Secret Service Uniformed Division personnel scanning people. One interesting note, there was this weird white panel truck with all these Marines hanging around, I think they were Marines as they were wearing Marine Corp issue jungle camo digital pattern fatigues. Anyway, the truck had a small camera on the back and these guys were just milling about, they also had a couple of four wheelers. I suspect they were some elite Marine guard unit tasked specifically for the President and I can't really speculate much further because I really don't have that much more info about them. But I did take their pictures and when they saw me doing this they all scrambled into the van. That was strange.

Got up there, took out any metal in my pockets and placed it on the table, my two cameras I also placed on the table and walked through. They didn't wand me. The SS officer turned my cameras on to make sure they weren't a gun, handed them to me and I went on my way. Side note, later when I went to the bathroom I saw Larry Sabato being frisked and wanded, got pics of him too, will post later.

:rofl:

Let's see, so now we are at the event, I kind of lost Desiree, Linda, Gael and everybody in the crowd as I immediately tore off to take pictures. Monticello is very iconic and I was taking it all in as I was wandering around. Secret Service were everywhere. They all had small, green, rectangular, pins with a gold star on them and of course the telephone cord coming out of their ears. The people checking tickets were the staff of the Monticello Foundation who would periodically ask you for your ticket, this was if you were passing between two different areas. The majority of people had Blue tickets. I had a Blue ticket. Red tickets were for the front area and were for families of the new citizens and for handicapped people. I know this because on Wed. I saw somebody with a red ticket, I asked him about it and he said it was because he was "handicapped". I also saw white tickets, which were for the press.

The thing about the tickets, yeah... they were pointless. They had a small watermark on them which was a hologram of a globe with North America featured prominently. I say this because somebody pointed it out to me and said something about North American Union. That's for you tinfoilers ;-) I went up to the red area and was passing back forth between the two areas on several occasions. Twice I was asked to present my red ticket, and twice I was allowed entry into the red area even though I had a blue ticket. I just kind of chatted up the attendant and she would let me go. For the ceremony, I was seated about 30 feet from the President. Right in front of the press area with all the cameras.

I think the Monticello Foundation had a lot pf pull in this and in one case I saw a Monticello Foundation employee override the Secret Service. It was actually my case. When I first stood up and addressed the audience and the President, people started to swarm around me. Cops grabbed me and started to take me out. A woman with a Monticello name tag on stopped them and said that I could stay as long as I sat down and didn't disrupt anymore. I said, "OK" and sat back down, however, they sat a Secret Service agent right next to me. I think they thought I was going to rush the stage like Desiree did. She got to within 6 feet of the President. The second time I addressed the audience the cops simply came over and escorted me out.

That was strange too. The cops had obviously been briefed, they kept saying, "Are you going voluntarily? Are you going voluntarily?" and then right before we got into the police van to go down the mountain, they asked us one more time, "Do we want to be arrested or are you going to voluntarily be escorted off the mountain?"

I think this was a big public relations fiasco for Bush and his staff.

First, Bush had obviously been fed the line(paraphrase), "To my fellow new citizens, we believe in free speech in America" at which time Desiree is being hauled off for exhibiting free speech. Which I caught on camera. Not good and last time I checked, the the Youtube of that had over 40,000 hits in less than 24 hours. Most newspapers framed this event as "Bush interrupted by protesters." That means we won the day. Our pictures have been in the New York Times, on CNN and on MSNBC. There has been international coverage of this.

Second, as I said before, the Monticello people had a lot of say in this event. I think per haps they didn't want to see their 200+ year legacy soiled by an unpopular, out going President. I think they were the ones who said to let people speak there minds if they wish. I should remind people here that not all the protesters got escorted off the mountain. Some stayed for the duration of the event, shouted and yelled at the President and were allowed to stay in their seats. The Monticello Foundation knew there would be protests, David Swanson had been talking about it in the local papers for the whole week prior to the event. The idea of 20+ people sitting on the ground, handcuffed for exhibiting their 1st Amendment rights, all outside of Thomas Jefferson's home, the man who wrote the Declaration of Independence for goodness sakes, well, quite frankly, it scared the shit out of them.

Thanks to all the other protesters, both at Monticello and down on the highway. I was elated when I saw them as I was driving by in the police van. And thanks to all of those who have showed their support both here and throughout the ether.

The Fourth of July still belongs to us, We the people...


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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-05-08 02:21 PM
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1. Jefferson is the father of the Democratic Party.
You, the protesters and the good people at Monticello know what that means.

Thank you, arcadian, for standing up to the Reich. Thanks also for an excellent report.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-05-08 09:03 PM
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42. Right ON and K & R!
:patriot:
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Edweird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-05-08 02:24 PM
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2. Thank You. You are a true Patriot!
:patriot:
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wordpix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-06-08 02:31 PM
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92. and thanks for letting us know what happened - the MSM hasn't covered it at all
Not in CT, anyhow. I guess that's because the 4th of July holiday is all about protest against a tyrannical government and protesting against BushCo and the war has no relevance. :sarcasm:
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alphafemale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-05-08 02:26 PM
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3. The call outs were entertaining. The "rushing" was more than a little chilling.
I certainly don't want FReepers "rushing" President Obama like that.
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-05-08 02:42 PM
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6. Weren't there FReepers when Clinton was Pres? He apparently didn't draw the amount of outrage
that Shrub has. Heck, Clinton used to go into crowds and jog openly in DC with no problem.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-06-08 12:11 AM
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55. Clinton graciously named a Republican as Secretary of Defense.
Had Bush graciously named a Democrat to his cabinet, he would have sealed a different fate for himself.
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Art_from_Ark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-06-08 05:47 AM
Response to Reply #55
67. Norman Mineta (D) was bu$h's Secretary of Transportation from 2001-2006
As you were saying?
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-06-08 02:31 PM
Response to Reply #67
93. There was no "graciousness" involved there AT ALL.
Bush is all about money and power and conniving and lying and cheating.

Makes me wonder about MINETA, frankly.
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Art_from_Ark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-07-08 07:42 AM
Response to Reply #93
99. Yeah, really
How in the world could Mineta have served FIVE YEARS with this misadministration?
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-06-08 01:40 AM
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61. She got within six feet? Given I know the security protocols for the SS
they blew it

Some folks are gonna get pet duty.

Long story... and old story.. suffice it to say that was one of the two times I got to see into the barrel of a gun, pointed at ME.

The SS does not abide by things like bill of rights, just protecting their package

It takes balls to get within their security parameters

And I am not kidding here when I say this... she could have gotten shot... PR or no PR.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-06-08 02:33 PM
Response to Reply #61
95. Yep. She is VERY lucky she didn't get shot dead on the spot.
Perhaps Bush has managed to alienate the SS, too?
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Richardo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-05-08 02:28 PM
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4. "Bush interrupted by protesters" means you won the day?
Edited on Sat Jul-05-08 02:39 PM by Richardo
Good job then, I guess.

How did the new citizens and their families take it? Take any photos of them?

On edit: Here's one reaction...

Hataw Saadi Taha, who fled the northern region of Iraq 11 years ago, said she wanted to become an American citizen because the United States was the first country that accepted her after leaving the rule of Saddam Hussein.

I am very proud of my new country, Taha said. Especially on the Fourth of July.

Taha told Bush that she wants to see an end to the violence in her homeland.

Mr. President, I need peace to my country.

Taha said she disliked the protesters who tried to disrupt Bushs speech at the ceremony.

Everybody can have their own speech, she said. But I didnt like it at all, especially for today.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-05-08 03:45 PM
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-05-08 03:55 PM
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15. So she loves Bush and hugged him....... Big Deal
Edited on Sat Jul-05-08 03:56 PM by Ichingcarpenter
"The president is a great man" Hataw Taha said as Bush and her hugged each other.


Meanwhile another new citizen at the event said this:

Yolanda Mata said the protests only demonstrated what is special about America.

"That's what I think everybody comes here looking for: freedom, freedom of religion, freedom to work," said Mata.


http://hamptonroads.com/2008/07/bush-presides-over-citi...


Then Bush lied about Jefferson's words in his speech.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...





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smiley_glad_hands Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-06-08 12:37 AM
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59. If not now, when? If not there, where?
Would you rather everyone be mind numbingly submissive to the powers of the state? Get a clue already.
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-05-08 02:36 PM
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5. At least they shook down Larry Sabato.
:rofl:


Kudos to you and the other protesters.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-05-08 03:49 PM
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14. The reason we are where we are today...
is because of people like you that see nothing worth protesting about...
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ramapo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-05-08 02:54 PM
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8. Were you actually arrested?
Being escorted off the mountain in a police van is ominous enough...
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Richardo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-05-08 04:59 PM
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19. No, no one was arrested.
No big deal.
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arcadian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-05-08 05:20 PM
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20. Yeah, no big deal.
In fact, I felt so safe in custody that before I stood up, I decided to hide my camera's memory cards in my sock. Not because I was afraid the cops were going to confiscate my camera equipment and delete my photos mind you, but because I didn't want the temptation to do that to be there for them. I had no idea what the cops were going to do with me.

:eyes:
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Richardo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-05-08 05:23 PM
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21. But - they just walked you down the hill, right?
You can wail and gnash your teeth all you want but you're not going to turn this into Kent State no matter how much you try.
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arcadian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-05-08 05:27 PM
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22. You just really have a big problem with this don't you?
Edited on Sat Jul-05-08 05:33 PM by arcadian
Are you doing the Tom Cruise couch tantrum as you are typing this? Because that is how I picture you.
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Richardo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-05-08 05:41 PM
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23. You bet I have a problem with it - and it's only with the setting. That's it.
I have a big problem with disrupting the solemn occasion of a citizenship swearing-in ceremony to stage an impotent temper tantrum against Bush, then come here to brag about it. And I have a problem with some others around here and their reflexive idol-worship for such an inconsiderate stunt.

I would have fully supported all of you if you had done it almost anywhere else. As I've said, I have friends who have recently become citizens and I've seen what a monumental, life-altering choice that is, and the YEARS of bureacracy, hard work and effort that precede the swearing-in.

I think they have the right to complete that arduous process with a degree of decorum and a sense of ceremony.

That's it. That's my whole beef. I would applaud you if you had done it almost anywhere else. But as it is, you intruded on their day for a meaningless, self-serving stunt. Yay for you. I can tell you're proud of yourselves.




And why would I possibly care how you picture me?
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arcadian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-05-08 06:07 PM
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28. The Fourth of July is their day?
Monticello is their venue?
Bush only represents them, for that moment, for that "solemn" occasion?

The man makes himself so completely inaccessible to the citizenry. Where else could we have addressed Bush with these issues?

You know what, though? You are right. Here is a picture of my fellow protesters, they deserve nothing but scorn and condemnation. Go ahead, let them have it. All they did was confront a man who has dragged this nation and it's citizen's to it's knees, who spies on us, kills indiscriminately, and wallows in swimming pools full of cash and filthy lucre. But you know what, these women and men deserve your scorn far more than Bush. Go ahead, let them have it!


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Maat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-06-08 12:21 AM
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57. This law school graduate says ..
Edited on Sun Jul-06-08 12:22 AM by Maat
"Anyone who objects to the protesters hasn't read Thomas Jefferson's works."

What an insult to Jefferson to have DimSon there! He's rolling in his grave (Jefferson, that is)! Jefferson warned about the military-industrial complex (in words of his era), and warned of silver-spooned ne'er-do-wells like DimSon assuming power!

Jefferson was proud of you for essentially telling him to get off of Jefferson's lawn!
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ekwhite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-05-08 06:10 PM
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29. How DARE they interrupt a Presidential photo op?
That murdering beast should not be allowed to show his face in public without protests. If you don't like it, tough.
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Richardo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-06-08 09:28 AM
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72. Right. So effective.
But keep up the rant - you're pretty good at it, and the choir seems to appreciate it. :patriot:
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spiritual_gunfighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-06-08 02:24 PM
Response to Reply #72
89. if you think
that after almost 8 years of this criminal administration that people who care about the true meaning of civil disobediance (which is something Thomas Jefferson would have probably applauded) should pick and choose when it is polite to express it, you obviously havent had enough of Bush and his rogues gallery. Maybe when they are tapping your phone line you will feel that it would be polite to express your displeasure then.
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reichstag911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-07-08 12:13 PM
Response to Reply #72
101. The only parts of any of your posts in this thread...
...with which I agree are the picture of the beagle puppy -- if one can agree with a picture, that is -- and the Will Rogers quote. Remember, the very first amendment to the Constitution guarantees freedom of speech, and on the one occasion when Shrub has been out of his bubble for the last several years, people can, and should, use the occasion to exercise that freedom.
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-05-08 09:11 PM
Response to Reply #23
43. Yeah, right. Any venue except this one. And day except today.
Who ya crappin'?
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-05-08 09:49 PM
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47. Bush desecrates any swearing in ceremony. He should be in jail.
And if it's a choice between pomp and the Constitution, the Constitution wins every time.
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Muttocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-05-08 10:48 PM
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53. Indeed. I would love to know how the new citizens felt about Bush being there
Maybe they were just excited to reach that point, or to do it at Monticello, or for it to be a big deal, but I wonder if any were pissed off that he was contaminating their ceremony. Or maybe they were carefully selected so that wasn't an issue.
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-05-08 10:13 PM
Response to Reply #23
50. Temper tantrum?
I don't think so.

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NJCher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-05-08 10:20 PM
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51. you just convinced me!
I would have fully supported all of you if you had done it almost anywhere else. As I've said, I have friends who have recently become citizens and I've seen what a monumental, life-altering choice that is, and the YEARS of bureacracy, hard work and effort that precede the swearing-in.


If someone puts in YEARS with the bureaucracy, not to mention the hard work and effort, I think they deserve a swearing-in ceremony that demonstrates the real America: and that is the people like arcadian who have the guts to show up when SOMEONE WHO STOLE THE FREAKING OFFICE TWO TIMES is up there masquerading as a president.

I think arcadian made this a most special swearing in ceremony. He and his colleagues brought truth to the table instead of standing around pretending like things are OK, which is what you would have preferred.



Cher
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-06-08 12:24 AM
Response to Reply #23
58. Bush has harmed and even caused the deaths of so many
innocent people. And he refused to speak to Cindy Sheehan's question: For what noble cause did my son die? Why would any person choose to be sworn in as a citizen in the presence of such a man? It's incredible. Surely they could have chosen to be sworn in as a citizen at some other time. I would not want to hear Bush speak. I cannot even listen to his TV appearances. His voice sounds so evil.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-06-08 02:31 AM
Response to Reply #58
63. Problem is you get a summons for that date and time
and you'd better show up

Only valid excuse is to be in the Hospital, or dead
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-06-08 11:07 AM
Response to Reply #63
79. For citizenship? I did not know this although my own husband is an immigrant.
(He was granted citizenship through his parents.)
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-06-08 12:31 PM
Response to Reply #79
83. Yeah the INS sends a nice form
Telling you date and time

The scary part is that when you go in to the ceremony you turn in your green card... and until you are given your certificate after the certificate, you are truly in legal limbo
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-06-08 01:06 PM
Response to Reply #83
85. Thanks.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-06-08 02:28 AM
Response to Reply #23
62. To use language that Jefferson would appreciate
you are a good Tory, a good royalist

How apropro that you defend the king against the masses on the fourth of july.

We have had your kind since the first breath of this country

You were also called by a fellow traveller of Jefferson (And I use it in the context of how radical these guys were), a sprint time patriot

On the other hand, the folks protesting there... and the rest of us who have assembled and petitioned over the years of this nightmare, are closer to Jefferson and the rest of the gang

But you Sir, you are a Tory.
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Richardo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-06-08 09:30 AM
Response to Reply #62
73. You're not reading a THING I'm writing
But I'm used to that.

I disagree with your antics, therefore, am a Royalist. Pretty shallow argument.
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frogcycle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-06-08 09:58 AM
Response to Reply #73
75. I agree with your sentiments regarding the new citizens
Its a shame to disrupt "their" day.

I feel much stronger, though about the asshats from Kansas who disrupt soldier's funerals.

They are allowed so to do because of our Constitution. Until you take a serious, vocal, visible stand against their right to do that, perhaps you should just keep mum on this one.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-06-08 12:34 PM
Response to Reply #73
84. You disagree with them regardless of where they happen
Edited on Sun Jul-06-08 12:46 PM by nadinbrzezinski
that is the problem Richardo.

THere is no proper place to protest, never mind THEY ... yes THEY have made everything in this country, even the air you breath, POLITICAL

So yes, when you call them antics... you are acting like a pro status quo TORY

If the shoe fits...

On edit, it wasn't us who made this a political matter... it was the Bush administration

And the only place I'd agree with you that it was wrong would be at a hospital or a funeral, other than that, wished I lived nearby.... I'd join them in a heartbeat
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TheWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-06-08 02:32 PM
Response to Reply #73
94. Not really.
The shoe fits you well.

Deal with it and wear it. You are what you are.

You don't need us to chastise you. All you have to do is open your mouth, and everything takes care of itself.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-06-08 07:57 AM
Response to Reply #23
68. When you have a media who fail the public from exposing the criminal nature
of this pResident then it is up to citizens to expose this man for what he is.

I highly applaud these protestors. I have attended several "greet the pResident" events and have never gotten within shouting distance of him.
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pipi_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-06-08 09:30 AM
Response to Reply #23
74. Decorum flew out the window...
Edited on Sun Jul-06-08 09:30 AM by pipi_k
I think they have the right to complete that arduous process with a degree of decorum and a sense of ceremony.

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Decorum flew out the window the very minute Bush was chosen to address those new citizens. Bozo the Clown couldn't have been a worse choice.

And yes, what better place to teach new citizens that a responsibility of their new status involves speaking out against a government that is rotten to the core.

I love my country. It's the (present) government I detest.


With Bush's approval ratings basically in the toilet, I'm frankly surprised that some fool decided it would be a great idea to have him welcome new citizens in what is supposed to be a meaningful ceremony.

But he's a lame duck now, and a virtual persona non grata. Nobody cares what he says or does, and the moron was given some busywork on the Fourth of July. Obviously the person who decided to do that didn't have a whole lot of respect for those incoming citizens, either. Any of a hundred other people could have been selected to conduct that ceremony...instead they chose Mr Idiot Lame Duck Loser Who Can't Even Speak English Properly.

Yeah...that's respectful....

:eyes:

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40ozDonkey Donating Member (730 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-06-08 10:03 AM
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77. Thanks for creating a loophole.
Thank God you don't get to tell people when and how to protest. Because of this piece of shit president we probably won't be able to retire until we're in our 70's, and you want to tell people there's a time and a place?

So an unpopular president who shits on this country and doesn't want to ever deal with the repercussions should set up all public speaking events in times and places where protesting would be "bad form" - citizenship ceremonies, funerals, Ground Zero, dementia clinics, etc. This will guarantee that if anybody ever tells him how this country feels about him, the president can spin it as poorly behaved protesters instead of policies that actively hurt and bankrupt Americans.

If their ceremony was so fucking precious, they could've chosen a serious place and time to do it. They signed up for a public swearing in, by a public and unfavorable figure, on a public holiday. Where the hell do you get off calling that a "solemn" occasion? Do I have a right to get pissed off at local revelers if I plan my wedding in Central Park on St. Patrick's Day?

I'll put better odds that the people being sworn in were grateful that they now live in a country where the leader can be called out at any time for his bullshit. I'm willing to bet that freedom was more important to them than your sense of timing.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-06-08 02:02 PM
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87. Only quibble I take with you is
ALL ceremonies ARE PUBLIC and the new citizen has no choice in the matter

I know, went through the process
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Forrest Greene Donating Member (946 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-06-08 11:51 AM
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80. A Right Which Is Handed To You
...is no right at all.


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wordpix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-06-08 02:34 PM
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96. how many swearing-ins does * personally do? This was a PR ploy, nothing more
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-06-08 02:35 PM
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97. Why do you love the fascists and hate what Jefferson stood for??
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Mira Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-05-08 05:56 PM
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26. It is a very big deal. A huge deal. A scary deal.
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tblue37 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-05-08 03:12 PM
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9. Everyone automatically says to those who serve in Iraq,
"Thank you for your service."

That's fine. I have loved ones who have served and are serving over there, and even those who do not believe in the policy are there because they are fulfilling their oath of service.

But I also say to those of you who put yourselves out there to publicly protest--and there is genuine risk in doing so, after all: Thank YOU for YOUR service!
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eShirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-05-08 03:17 PM
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10. "The Fourth of July still belongs to us, We the people..."
Music to my ears

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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-05-08 03:20 PM
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11. Thank you arcadian
for risking arrest to confront the President, and providing your account of it.

:thumbsup:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-05-08 03:46 PM
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13. Very well done, arcadian.
:yourock:
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-05-08 04:15 PM
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16. Conflict in goals
Bush would desperately like to have a big, enthusiastic crowd to be photographed in front of. One that isn't brandishing pitchforks, torches and nooses, at least. And his handlers know as well as anybody that there just aren't that many people left in the country. Sure, there are some 23%ers and a few newly-minted citizens to whom the notion of protesting the maximum leader is a very strange concept. But there's just no way Bush is going to get a big gathering for a photo op that doesn't include some people willing to call him out on his atrocious record.

Bush has had years of completely unfettered free speech. If he has to face a few protestors at last in the waning months of his misbegotten administration, I'm afraid I'll not be shedding too many tears. I am confident in saying that the reprehensibility of his actions has outdone any of his predecessors, by any objective measure. I do not worry that any future president will be subject to such heckling or vitriol; Bush has more than earned this, and for years has artificially stifled the natural outlets of citizen protest.

So Bush tries Monticello, and gets a smidgen of the public approbation that is the normal and natural consequence of his misgovernance. Surely not every last man, woman and child in the United States will approve, but that's hardly the measure of that approbation's rightness or righteousness.
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Mira Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-05-08 09:40 PM
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46. Thumbs way up to this, Gratuitous
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arcadian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-05-08 04:23 PM
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17. Sorry for all the typos.
I typed this up quickly. ;-) know=now medal=metal etc.



Larry Sabato being frisked. Doh!
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Mira Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-05-08 06:27 PM
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31. Ray McGovern about to be frisked - my own photo

I hope it's OK to post this here, this is a couple of years old in Fayetteville, NC - he and I walked together a good while. What a wonderful man he is - and he is on the Greatest pages right now.
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ms liberty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-05-08 06:39 PM
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32. Did they look under his toupe? n/t
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-05-08 07:28 PM
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38. LOL.
I was thinking the same thing.
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RobertDevereaux Donating Member (640 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-05-08 04:34 PM
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18. So proud of you all...
You are the true patriots!
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-05-08 05:46 PM
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24. Your OP says the Prez says "To my fellow new citizens, we believe in free speech in America"
Edited on Sat Jul-05-08 05:46 PM by truedelphi
Glad you were there to put a bug up their butts.

And good to hear that the Monticello Foundation is true to more Jeffersonian concepts than this Ministry of Untruth, UnFreedom and Universal death and despair.

Thanks for taking the efforts to go there and then to tell us all!
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-05-08 05:49 PM
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25. Awesome but I have one question:
Were you close enough to smell the sulfur? :)

Here are pics of our action today in front of our blue dog Dem congressman's office:
http://s16.photobucket.com/albums/b37/proud2blib/moore%...
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arcadian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-05-08 06:26 PM
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30. I was just talking about this.
It's really weird, I was sitting there, waiting in the heat and humidity for the longest time. Somebody says, "Ladies and Gentlemen, The President of the United States!" Then the band starts playing 'Hail to the Chief' and Bush emerges from the building, looks around and does this weird dramatic pause. It's so everybody can take it in that, yeah, that really is the President of the United States. I'm sure it is done to inspire awe in the crowd and I'm sure that is the affect to which the crowd responds. Bush completely wallows in that moment. He wants people to be awestruck by him. To worship him.

I wasn't awe struck at all. He's a public servant. But after witnessing that, it made me realize that this office has been lifted up to near god-like proportions. He's a celebrity politician, a figure head. The President's handlers know that if the general public perceives the President as a "mere man" then he will lose any or all credibility that he may have had. Media Bush is an abstract, real life Bush? Just some smarmy white dude with a lot of power and money.
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bullwinkle428 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-05-08 11:43 PM
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54. It was just like the video clip a few days ago, where *
got off the helicopter at some location, and there were nothing more than a pair of security guards or something like that standing some 50 yards away or so. He did his standard issue wave, and when they failed to respond, he did this ridiculously over-the-top full-body wave in a desperate effort to get them to simply wave back, thus acknowledging his imperial majesty. They STILL didn't respond - absolutely hilarious!
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Mira Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-05-08 05:58 PM
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27. Thanks for your courage, and the fascinating insights. You make me proud
to be a part of this country and it's citizens.
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pleah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-05-08 06:50 PM
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33. K&R!!!! I can't think of a better way to celebrate our independence,
than to exercise free speech. Thank you.






A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.
- Edward R. Murrow
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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-05-08 06:51 PM
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34. Great job!
Don't mind the various numbnuts on this thread (and others) who are trying to porttray what you did a BAD thing...most of them are too afraid to take a stand on anything in real life (but they can prove their eBravery on the INTARDNETS!).

Bravo to you!!!

:patriot:

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easttexaslefty Donating Member (740 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-05-08 06:57 PM
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35. Thank you, guys
you are my heroes :hug:
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papapi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-05-08 06:57 PM
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36. Another thank you. About the Monticello 'image' you are exactly . . .
Edited on Sat Jul-05-08 07:01 PM by papapi
right. Having worked at Monticello for six years in the nineties and in a position where I attended monthly staff meetings with the President (then the Director, he got a promotion before retiring later this year) the administration is rabid about pursuing any smear on the good name of Jefferson's home. This of course is all money driven since the Foundation that operates the place is private and any scandal would affect ticket sales. I suppose that's a good thing, I don't know. During my employment there, the local newspaper, The Daily Progress, ran an article about Jefferson growing the opium poppy in his ornamental garden. Well that exploded internally and the grounds keepers were ordered to pull up all the Papaver somniferum from the roundabout garden and the Garden Shop and seed catalog were ordered to stop selling the seeds. It is perfectly legal to sell the seeds and grow small ornamental plantings of this flower. But we had to follow orders. The Gardens and Grounds department honored Papaver somniferum on it's annual tee shirt that year in modest protest.

A side note: Jefferson planted vast fields of Cannabis sativa at Monticello's sister farms which was harvested for it's oil and fiber.

edit:sp
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Muttocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-05-08 09:40 PM
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45. interesting - must have been awesome to work there
I visited Monticello several times as a kid and it's on my list of places to revisit :)
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papapi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-05-08 10:41 PM
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52. It was a wonderful learning experience. The admin was still sort of . . .
mom and pop at times. The earnings were disappointing, kept lower because of the 'privilege' of working at such a fine location. Pffft. I suspect this has changed since I was there. Met many interesting and intelligent people. Overall rate it second on my list of places I've worked.
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Forrest Greene Donating Member (946 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-06-08 11:58 AM
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81. Did He Separate
...the male & female plants?


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Dystopian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-05-08 07:10 PM
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37. Beautiful! K&R
Heartfelt thanks!
Thanks to all of you......

:yourock:
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FirstLight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-05-08 07:31 PM
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39. K & R
First, let me thank you for saying these things out loud and in front of cameras. I hate that fact that the MSM plays protesters out to be "fringe" people. If I weren't so damn busy trying to survive and raise my kids, I'd be right there, and would follow that a-hole to every last event, and let him know I wasn't happy with the way he has gutted our Constitution- while making me and my kids scrape just for food and rent. So thansk for being there for ME, as well! :)

Second, I was at the Bill Cinton/Al Gore Environmental Summitt here at Tahoe in 96...very different security. Yes, it was pre-9/11 but it seems beter than what you describe. there was only one way in or out, and the metal detectors, etc were set up and then you would get your pass/credentials and would go across the street to the event. It was a single file, so everyoine was cheached out one by one...and once inside, the SS guys were at the doors, and the end of the stage... but it was pretty free once inside, because everyone was "secure" They were only looking for weapons, not for protesters or "enemies of the state" in protestors' t shirts. (now that I think about it, Clinton never got heckled for having some fun in office... but when people are speaking out about REAL issues, they are seen as nuts)

Also- I seem to remember hearing a few times here that protesters are regularly kept in a "safe" area so they are not seen by cameras, etc... I am glad some of you guys actually made it up the hill to the speech!

Right ON, again a big thanks and a :hug:
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arcadian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-05-08 08:03 PM
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40. Thanks to whoever bought me a star!
That means a lot to me. I was going to wait til I hit 1000 and I still will. :hi: :hug: :yourock:
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justinaforjustice Donating Member (519 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-05-08 08:54 PM
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41. Thank You For Publicly Denouncing The Presidential War Criminal.
Your voices of protest were heard around the world. You have my deep thanks. Fitting that it took place at Jefferson's home, drafter of our once magnificent, now Bush-demolished, Constitution We need to make it impossible for any member of the Bush-Cheney-McCain war machine to go anywhere in the world without encountering fierce opposition and hopefully arrest and prosecution.
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vixengrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-05-08 09:24 PM
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44. My mom brought this up today!!
"To my fellow new citizens, we believe in free speech in America" at which time Desiree is being hauled off for exhibiting free speech. Which I caught on camera.

She saw the clip, and talked about the disconnect: how does he talk about free speech with a straight face? Where is the talking heads exploding and people commenting on how, not just disliked, but hated he is? My parents get their news from cable, and it's seriously all over--this is one unpopular president, and he just really has no clue what he's talking about (okay, I knew that back in the early "free speech zone" days of like, 2002, but I think it's mainstream now.)

Bush is wrong. Cheney is wrong. The war in Iraq has been very wrong. And people really do need to say something, and what is more--

Deserve to have their say. Finally, I think people are more prone now to get that the right to criticize the POTUS outweighs any respect due him now that he's botched things so badly--and that it's for the good of the country he gets to see protests, even if his background woefully left him unprepared to put it all in context.

Good show, for representing there, and thanks, for reporting back.
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Webster Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-05-08 09:53 PM
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48. You Rock!
Thanks!

Wish I could have been there. :yourock:
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-05-08 10:12 PM
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49. As I said to you in a previous thread, Arcadian...
You were speaking for many more of us.

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LibDemAlways Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-06-08 12:13 AM
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56. The total repuke propaganda organ called the LA Times
buried the story of chimp's visit to Monticello on p. 12. The protesters were finally mentioned in the 6th paragraph, followed by chimp's quote about Americans believing in freedom of speech in paragraph 7. Nowhere was it mentioned that said protestors were ejected, creating the impression for anyone who hadn't seen the video that chimp was fine with the protests.

Expecting a major newspaper to report the facts is apparently expecting too much these days.
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-06-08 01:40 PM
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86. SICKENING ABOUT THE LA TIMES - thank you for posting this - you should
consider posting it in GD, just because. I'm glad I came back in this thread. If they didn't protest, it would have been first or second page news, talking about how glorious the day was for him, with a pic of Monticello on the front page to boot.

AMAZING....

The man is despised and it's relegated to page 12 next to other stories that aren't even 1/10th as important globally as Dur Fuhrer saying "we believe in freedom of speech", as protestors are hauled OFF!

My God in Heaven Almighty, the irony!


New Obama Items Weekly!
www.cafepress.com/warisprofitable
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greyghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-06-08 12:47 AM
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60. You're...
"Second, as I said before, the Monticello people had a lot of say in this event. I think per haps they didn't want to see their 200+ year legacy soiled by an unpopular, out going President. I think they were the ones who said to let people speak there minds if they wish. I should remind people here that not all the protesters got escorted off the mountain. Some stayed for the duration of the event, shouted and yelled at the President and were allowed to stay in their seats. The Monticello Foundation knew there would be protests, David Swanson had been talking about it in the local papers for the whole week prior to the event. The idea of 20+ people sitting on the ground, handcuffed for exhibiting their 1st Amendment rights, all outside of Thomas Jefferson's home, the man who wrote the Declaration of Independence for goodness sakes, well, quite frankly, it scared the shit out of them."

spot on with this assessment.

Thank you for your service to the country.
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Loudmxr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-06-08 03:55 AM
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64. Thoreau would be proud
My only Thoreau/Emerson story was when Thoreau went to prison for not paying a tax. According to some accounts, Emerson visited Thoreau in jail and asked, Henry, what are you doing in there? Thoreau replied, Waldo, the question is what are you doing out there?

Good job. You took our place and stood up to that man.


(' :patriot:')
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ellie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-06-08 05:24 AM
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65. Well done!
That fuckhead should be hounded the rest of his days, even after he leaves office, for all the harm he has caused.
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Aviation Pro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-06-08 05:43 AM
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66. I imagine that the negotiations between the Monticello staff...
...and the detail lead of the Secret Service went something like this:

SSL: "Here's the playbook, we don't want the President interrupted by any protestors, and you will follow the instructions and report to me."

Monticello Staff (probably the MFIC): "That's dandy, son, but on these hallowed grounds, that motherfucking moron has no fucking truck. On thess hallowed grounds, the home of the President, who was duly elected, not selected, and who wrote the Declaration of Independence and was a major influence in the formulation of our Constitution, protestors will be allowed to voice their opinion under the 1st Amendment to a man who never should have gotten within sniffing distance of the Oval Office. On these hallowed grounds, there will be no screening for loyalty and fealty to a clueless, brain-dead asswipe, and all who have a ticket will be admitted to hear and rebut his banal, self-serving comments. And finally, son, if you don't like my terms you can pack up your dog and pony show of a photo op and load that simpleton of wasted dribble from his wimpy daddy's nutsack back to DC.

Any questions, son?"
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-06-08 08:11 AM
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69. Thank you
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marias23 Donating Member (256 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-06-08 08:46 AM
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70. Bush Says "Free Speech" As People Are Hauled Off
Those images are priceless. Thank you to those who put themselves at risk. It was a great day for free speech, but not what Bush meant.
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-06-08 09:06 AM
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71. Great job! And the North American Union is real!
:tinfoilhat:
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crikkett Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-06-08 10:03 AM
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76. Marines scrambling into the van
Edited on Sun Jul-06-08 10:04 AM by crikkett
Violation of Posse Comawhatsis??

I mean, I wonder if the Marines were allowed to be there.

Got up the mountain, people were being sheepled through two medal detectors. These were Secret Service Uniformed Division personnel scanning people. One interesting note, there was this weird white panel truck with all these Marines hanging around, I think they were Marines as they were wearing Marine Corp issue jungle camo digital pattern fatigues. Anyway, the truck had a small camera on the back and these guys were just milling about, they also had a couple of four wheelers. I suspect they were some elite Marine guard unit tasked specifically for the President and I can't really speculate much further because I really don't have that much more info about them. But I did take their pictures and when they saw me doing this they all scrambled into the van. That was strange.
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mahatmakanejeeves Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-06-08 10:05 AM
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78. I used to live down that way,
in Charlottesville and Albemarle County. Thanks for making your stand and saying what you said.
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milord Donating Member (91 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-06-08 12:09 PM
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82. a historical note
Just seems worth mentioning-- Thomas Jefferson died on the fourth of July, 1826.
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Aviation Pro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-06-08 02:29 PM
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91. So did John Adams....
...Jefferson died first, Adams later in the day. Adams last words were, "Jefferson survives."
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-06-08 02:10 PM
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88. I heard TJ rolling in his grave
I did my MA at UVA and frequently worked on site at Monticello. The fact that Bush the warmonger, facist squatter was up there pisses me off to a farethewell.

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wordpix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-06-08 02:27 PM
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90. thank you! I went to YouTube to see - the foreign laguage clip was most compelling
Watching the video while hearing the foreign language hit home that the world is hearing/seeing not everyone in the US is taking this pResident lying down and we WILL disrupt his war and PR bullshit.

Thanks again. :grouphug: :loveya:
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arcadian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-06-08 08:47 PM
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98. Thanks for sharing that.
Is there a link?
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-07-08 10:15 AM
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100. Amy played the video clip when she covered the story this morning.
:applause:
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