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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-30-08 10:32 AM
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Southern Baptist "scholar" says spousal abuse stems from wife’s refusal to submit to husbands
from ThinkProgress:



Southern Baptist scholar says spousal abuse stems from wife’s refusal to submit to husbands.»

Bruce Ware — a Southern Baptist scholar – argued that one reason that men abuse their wives is because women rebel against their husband’s God-given authority:

“And husbands on their parts, because they’re sinners, now respond to that threat to their authority either by being abusive, which is of course one of the ways men can respond when their authority is challenged - -or, more commonly, to become passive, acquiescent, and simply not asserting the leadership they ought to as men in their homes and in churches,” Ware said from the pulpit of Denton Bible Church in Denton, Texas.



http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/30/southern-baptist-scholar-says-spousal-abuse-stems-from-wife%e2%80%99s-refusal-to-submit-to-husbands/


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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-30-08 10:38 AM
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1. As if wives are slaves
Is this what Jesus would want?
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-30-08 10:42 AM
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2. all disciples were men therefor all discipline must come from men nt
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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-30-08 10:46 AM
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3. True Story. My roommate from college eloped in 1980. I was with her.
We went to a Waffle House for the reception (no shit, we did). I ordered a pitcher of beer, asked her if she wanted to make a toast to her marriage. She said she wanted to wait for her husband to return from the john. I said something to the effect it was a good idea for them both to be together for the toast.

No, that wasn't the reason why. My roommate told me that she and her husband were born again christians, and that meant now she was married, she would ask him to decide EVERYTHING for her. Everything. Everything. And why? Because in their "faith", the husband had to answer for the wife in Heaven, and this way, her husband wouldn't have to "waste any time" explaining her "mistakes". So she was going to ask him whether she could have a glass of beer to toast their wedding. Trust me, this gal had no problem pouring beer into herself when we were in college. And now, this . . .

Long story short, they're divorced, my roommate is remarried, and doesn't take marching orders from her christian soldier any longer.
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dbonds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-30-08 10:47 AM
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4. Spousal abuse stems from Husbands trying to dominate where they should be equals.
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thecrow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-30-08 10:49 AM
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5. So they're either "sinners" abusing their wives or passive blobs?
Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
Typical Baptist solution.

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Goblinmonger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-30-08 10:49 AM
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6. Typical Baptist Bashing
Happens all the time on DU and nobody does anything about it.
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1monster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-30-08 11:05 AM
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7. How is it bashing if it is their own words? They bash themselves.
Edited on Mon Jun-30-08 11:06 AM by 1monster
Unless, of course, you agree that uppity women who have the colossal nerve to believe they are adults who are equal to men in marriage and out of marriage, deserve a beating when not kowtowing to the God Almighty Husband? :eyes:

on edit: Are you missing a :sarcasm: icon?
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Goblinmonger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-30-08 11:06 AM
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8. My point was
that if anything similar were posted about Catholics or other Christians that aren't deemed worthy of our collective disdain here on DU, you would have seen a post like mine.

But since you brought it up, why do other religions get a pass for their bullshit but not this one?
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-30-08 11:21 AM
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9. I'm an equal opportunity religion basher.
I subscribe to the Thomas Edison quote, "All religion is bunk".

I was raised in a fundie Baptist church, and yes, they act like that.
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Goblinmonger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-30-08 12:25 PM
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17. I'm with you
but there seems to be a contingency on DU that doesn't want their religion discussed in a possibly negative light, but have no problems hurling similar discussions at other religions.

Do the Baptists suck because of this? Yep. Does the Catholic church suck for covering up pedophilia? Yep. But this OP is just fine; try posting a Catholic pedophila OP and see what happens.
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niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-30-08 11:39 AM
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10. why are you so sensitive to the comments made about the idiot baptists, and conveniently ignore
all the comments made about other belief systems?

when the southern baptist convention a few years ago included the statement that "wives shall be submissive to their husbands" it was simply confirmation that that church is full of woman-hating, misogynistic jerks, and the fact that women are still in the church makes me doubt their sanity.
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Goblinmonger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-30-08 12:23 PM
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16. I could care less if people criticize religion
any of them. But if someone says something about the Catholic church, there are posts about how this is Catholic bashing and there is bigotry on DU. But apparently that isn't the same problem with Baptists.

Additionally, people on DU seem to want their religion immune to criticism, but there are certain belief systems which we can bash. That seems oddly hypocritical to me.
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-30-08 12:04 PM
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15. I don't see other religions getting a pass for things like this.
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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-30-08 12:33 PM
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18. i don't either
:shrug:
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1monster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-30-08 02:11 PM
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20. I brought it up? As it happens, I don't like organized religion, period. I think it is the death
true spiritualism and puts the mind and the ability to think for one's self in chains.

As for other religions: My husband had a child with a Catholic girl. When they went to get married a month after the birth of their son, the Irish Priest waited until the morning of the weddding to tell them that NO, he would not allow them to marry in the church because of their GREAT sin. He also refused to baptise the baby because he was born out of wedlock.

I know another couple who were to be married and the Priest in that case also waited until the morning of the wedding to say NO you are not going to be married in the church because he has been married and divorced before.

Bashing religions is not my time killing hobby. But when, using a religious organization to spout garbage like that in the OP, I will occasionally speak out.

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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-30-08 12:02 PM
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13. Seems to me that posters are discussing the actual words of the Baptist Convention.
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Bonhomme Richard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-30-08 11:39 AM
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11. Kinda reminds me of an old joke.
Nah.
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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-30-08 12:00 PM
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12. Sooo not surprised.
I went to a Nazarene college, and while they're an evangelical church rather than a fundamentalist one, the religion majors were often just as bigoted and sexist. The religion majors had to take a couple of required psych classes, and my psych major roomie hated them. They'd keep arguing that they didn't need to take the classes seriously because all people needed was the Bible. :eyes:
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-30-08 12:04 PM
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14. This message would encourage spousal abuse.
The minister is saying that any man who doesn't abuse his wife into submission is failing to live up to their role as men under God. So, any men out there wondering if it might be better not to hit their wives get the message - hit her and get her in line or be damned yourself.

Nice. Social services ought to take a look.
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StarryNite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-30-08 02:36 PM
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22. That's the way I took it.
I don't see how it could be taken any other way.
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Liberal In Texas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-30-08 12:50 PM
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19. When you look up oxymoron,
You should find "Southern Baptist Scholar."
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-30-08 02:32 PM
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21. Always the woman's fault
These men are sick and twisted. And any woman who participates in this also needs psychological assistance.
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skooooo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-30-08 02:37 PM
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23. Mofos - here's how I'd "submit" --

I'd take a baseball bat to their knee caps and then file for divorce.
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-30-08 02:37 PM
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24. "Scholar"
Hahahahahahahaha

Oh my god.

"Scholar"

Too Fucking Much.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-30-08 03:01 PM
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25. Reading Mr. Ware's sentence there
It seems he is more distressed by the reaction of men who "become passive, acquiescent and simply not asserting the leadership they ought to" than he is by the men who smack their wives around for challenging their authority ("which is of course one of the ways men can respond). The pussies who let their wives get away with being uppity are the ones who really seem to get under Mr. Ware's skin.

But maybe I'm reading it wrong.
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Scout Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-30-08 04:00 PM
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26. ooookay, for the sake of argument, assume that is true, that it's her fault
for not submitting (I don't believe that, but just for the sake of argument) ... what if she DOES submit and he's just an asshole? Is that ok with god then?

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