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FreakinDJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 03:08 PM
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Will Obama’s Universal Healthcare bring back Manufacturing jobs
I think it will but I would like to hear from the experts.

Healthcare has become a significant cost in manufacturing even with all the automation they incorporate. Seems hard to believe given some of the automated machinery can run into the $1millions. But GM stated earlier this year the cost of manufacturing a car is driven up an additional $1100 by the cost of healthcare for their workers.

Obama is also dead set in re-evaluating NAFTA, CAFTA, and the Chinese trade agreements, which I am all for since the Chinese trade agreement has a 20% tariff on American made goods compared to the 2% tariff on Chinese made goods.
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 03:11 PM
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1. Why is this acceptable?
Quote:

"20% tariff on American made goods compared to the 2% tariff on Chinese made goods."

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FreakinDJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 03:14 PM
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2. Just proves that "Free Trade is not Free"
It's only good for the Fat Rat in the corner - namely Walmart and a few other who rake in $1Billions while displacing 10s of 1000s of well paying American Manufacturing jobs

but don't get me started on that one....
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 03:15 PM
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3. I do understand and agree.
It all just pisses me off.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 03:19 PM
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5. Wasn't Walmart's health plan
... helping people fill out Medicaid eligibility forms? I'd heard this and it's the type of thing
that should be true even if it isn't because it sums up the whole deal so well.
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 03:17 PM
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4. Get out of "Free Trade" and begin a network of "Fair Trade" agreements
...along with fixed exchange rates on the currency of the U.S. and its trading partners and long term infrastructure investment programs extending out over several generations. In other words real economic development programs and get away from Imperialistic hegemony. If Obama embraces that and leads Democrats to that end he'll get my vote.
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 03:25 PM
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6. When did Obama come out with a plan for Universal "Healthcare"? Last I heard
he wanted us all to get insurance.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 03:27 PM
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7. He doesn't offer universal health care. He covers the uncovered & improves competition
Edited on Sat Jun-28-08 03:34 PM by autorank
"National Health Insurance Exchange: The Obama plan will create a National Health Insurance Exchange to help individuals who wish to purchase a private insurance plan. The Exchange will act as a watchdog group and help reform the private insurance market by creating rules and standards for participating insurance plans to ensure fairness and to make individual coverage more affordable and accessible. Insurers would have to issue every applicant a policy, and charge fair and stable premiums that will not depend upon health status. The Exchange will require that all the plans offered are at least as generous as the new public plan and have the same standards for quality and efficiency. The Exchange would evaluate plans and make the differences among the plans, including cost of services, public."
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/healthcare/#coverage-for-all

I'm self employed so I can attest to the real cost of health care. If you're contributing $100 or even $300 a month for a family plan at work, you're lucky. The real cost, buying a plan for a family with a reasonable deductible etc., is around $1100-$1300 a month.

If the "exchange" were applied to Medicare pharmacy benefits it would help.

It will do nothing at all, not a thing, to reduce overall health costs to individuals or business buying plans.

There are some good parts of his plan but this "exchange" is really an erroneous assumption masquerading as a program. It assumes that competition is the driver in health costs. It's not. The drivers are a) "for profit" insurance providers; b) the inability of businesses to get decent management companies to administer plans; c) the refusal to negotiate drug discounts for ALL Americans. There are others. I'm no expert but I'm smart enough to know that this centerpiece is a big zero.

On edit: If you work for a medium to large size company, your "insurance" carrier is really a plan administrator. You company is the payer. They negotiate a deal with AETNA, Blue Cross, etc. to run the plan and allocate expenditures based on the company deal with employees. There's a law called ERISA which indemnifies the company from any liability in the way the plan is run. So when you have a beef, you have to sue the provider, not the source of the benefits, which is often times responsible for limitations in benefits. For example, if I need treatment for a new disease, I'll likely get (if it's clinically successful) it since I buy directly from the health insurance carrier; they pay the costs. If I have the very same condition and work for XYZ Corp., the plan manager, lets say the same insurance company I buy from, will likely turn down the treatment as "experimental." The employer, your company, makes sure that happens "to keep costs down" and denies the benefit even if it kills you. Why? Because they can't get sued.

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