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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-06-07 01:10 PM
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I think this Juror speaking unendingly is dangerous. His words
may come back to haunt the verdict. He is giving so much stuff that can be twisted by the twisting experts. This is really scary. There is fodder here for lies of interpretation.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-06-07 01:11 PM
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1. Thank you for your concern.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-06-07 01:11 PM
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The verdict has been passed down. I don't think it can be changed
except during an appeal.
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-06-07 01:11 PM
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2. He should certainly have a lawyer up there with him.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-06-07 01:11 PM
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3. What juror? Are you watching a particular channel?
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-06-07 01:13 PM
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6. MSNBC - a juror who was a former jounalist - last name Collins.
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-06-07 01:15 PM
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12. The networks have cut away from him now
Edited on Tue Mar-06-07 01:16 PM by eleny
He's the juror who was a reporter. He said he felt it fair that he speak to the press. He answered a bunch of questions. Said that the jurors made no deals on the counts but went through each one their merits. There was some sympathy for Libby on the part of the jurors. They even wondered where Rove was. Amazing stuff.

I imagine that Tweety will work like heck to get an interview.
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-06-07 01:12 PM
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4. This is why jurors should shut their traps after the case is over
But there is no law requiring them to keep silent after the trial.

And some people find TV cameras very enticing.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-06-07 01:13 PM
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5. Nope.
His words can not "come back to haunt the verdict." That isn't possible. It is not even a remote possibility. Libby was convicted in court, not in a press conference.
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-06-07 01:16 PM
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13. Thanks about the verdict aspect. I hope nothng comes of my fear
about the twisting.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-06-07 01:16 PM
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15. Happy Fitzmas, friend!
One down, anyway. :hi:
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-06-07 01:20 PM
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17. Remember the jury from the Scott Peterson trial?
They talked a long time, went on several news shows.
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Connie_Corleone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-06-07 01:14 PM
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7. Thank you for letting us know what he actually said.
Not all of us are in front of a TV right now.
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-06-07 01:24 PM
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18. 17 posts and all we got is his last name.
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-06-07 01:24 PM
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19. The news channels cut him off just recently, just as he was clarifying
how, in an earlier comment, the jurors felt that Libby may have seemed like a "fall guy..."

He spoke for a long time -- rambling at points, answering questions about how methodical the jury was about piecing the facts together (using 34 huge post-it notes), stated that the jury had several "managerial types" who took control of trying to break down the case into the smallest parts in order to examine it, discussed deliberating tactics -- how jurors reasoned out the testimony, he even discussed how they were overall sympathetic to Libby and Judy Miller, etc. Spoke on a wide range of topics related to the jury's decision process, why on the count of giving false testimony (Cooper issue) the jury did not render a guilty plea, etc.

Mentioned Grossman, Cheney, and Bush -- made a little joke that at one point when Wells was commenting about conspiracy originating from the WH that he thought for a moment they may hear from Bush -- or something to that effect. Commented that several jurors said "This sucks..." in reference to the fact that they were deliberating about Libby when, in reality, it was apparent that there were others who Libby may have been covering for or being made the fall guy for (not his words -- my interpretation) and he even mentioned Rove's name at that point.

So much info -- maybe we can get a transcript up later. Very interesting insight into this case -- seems he was heartfelt in his attempt to explain the jury process -- that thye took their time to deliberate with care and consideration of the facts in a complicated case.

Hope this helps-- I feel like I'm rambling, so I'll close now.
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Connie_Corleone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-06-07 01:26 PM
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20. Thanks for the summary.
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-06-07 01:28 PM
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21. Here, try this link
Look at the top page MSNBC:
WATCH LIVE - Libby juror speaks to reporters outside courthouse
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17479718/
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-06-07 01:52 PM
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23. That link is now dead, try this
http://www.cnn.com /

Left-hand corner video clip of juror: "Juror calls Russert's testimony key to verdicts"
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-06-07 02:21 PM
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25. Sorry. I had to leave to go to work - he gave details about bits and pieces
Edited on Tue Mar-06-07 02:22 PM by higher class
and personal things about what the jurors said to each other. It went on and on and I had to get ready to leave. I have to listen again myself, if it's carried.

He said that they mostly felt sympathy for Libby.
He said that they really struggled with the loss of memories and how difficult it was to keep it straight.

I won't post again when I can't type in the story. I don't like it when I am not plugged in and people are assuming I am.

My big thing was the volume. It was unbelievable and I still think it's fodder for something because of the delusional propagandists whose job it is to fool their lemmings and headline only readers and listeners.

My apologies - I did post about Toensing and did provide data on what she said.
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-06-07 01:14 PM
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8. I don't think it matters, even if it seems they got it all wrong.
It's the process that matters.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-06-07 01:14 PM
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9. How "unscary" that SOMETHING is transparent, though
I think it's refreshing and certainly his right.
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-06-07 01:14 PM
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10. Thank You For Your Concern. But It'll Be Ok. Seriously.
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Sammy Pepys Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-06-07 01:15 PM
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11. Agreed....
He was talking way too much and way too specifically.
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Manifestor_of_Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-06-07 01:18 PM
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16. If they followed the law and the instructions, they should not be afraid.
But they probably will be.
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Sammy Pepys Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-06-07 01:43 PM
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22. I'm just worried about the appeal.....
They'll be picking apart anything they can....including those jurors words.
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sarcasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-06-07 01:16 PM
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14. Not just for the case but for his life.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-06-07 01:53 PM
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24. I understand, higher class, but on the other hand, the twisters
always find new fodder somewhere when they don't simply invent it.
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