Can we promise to not make prison rape jokes about Libby?

[Marnieworld]

I doubt it but I just wanted to mention it anyway.

I am as happy as anyone (except maybe the Wilsons and FItzgerald) that the jury has convicted him but we shouldn't make light of the tragic and disgusting state our prison system is in. It's funny now with Scooter to make all of these "don't drop the soap" comments but remember by being content that our prison systems are like that you are also content when the non-violent drug user gets raped. Or the cheating tax accountant gets raped. Or you get raped if somehow you get caught up in the system.

It's a real human rights issue that only progressives will ever acknowledge and fight.

So in your deserved joy try not to lose your humanity. That's all I'm saying.

Those small cells and lack of freedom is plenty for a guy like him.

Unless you want to put him in bldg 18 with his family or Abu Ghraib or Guantanamo.

That's ok by me. :patriot:

[Love Bug]

1. Thank you!

I don't think prison rape jokes are funny, either. Frankly, I think they're rooted in homophobia.

[LeftishBrit]

16. I agree with you

Also, thinking that your enemies deserve to be harmed physically is the mark of right-wingers. Libby deserves to be punished legally, but not to be physically abused.

[Forkboy]

2. worthy of a K&R

[bunkerbuster1]

3. K&R'd

Agreed, I loathe reading that sort of "joke" anywhere, least of all here.

And yes, it is an under reported human rights issue.

[matcom]

4. stupid on its face

he ain't going to that kind of prison.

bet he is allowed to bring his clubs

[Marnieworld]

9. No prison is safe

http://www.hrw.org/reports/2001/prison/report.html

If not from other inmates than guards.

[fla nocount]

11. Yep, Safford, Az.

Mountain top accomodations, individual bungalows, cohabitaiton weekends, beautiful 9 hole course and no fences because you'll get caught in the open terrain or die of exposure if you don't.

A short irons course, no doubt his game will deteriorate but he's a criminal and he deserves no better.

[matcom]

12. he will have one hell of a chipping game when he gets pardoned

probably have touch like Mickelson around the greens

[Jacobin]

5. he's not going to prison

out on bail pending appeal and then pardon

[derby378]

6. You forget that this man wrote a novel in which a caged girl is raped by a bear

I won't be making any rape jokes, but Scooter has set himself up for a very hard fall.

[Horse with no Name]

13. ......

:spray:

"Scooter has set himself up for a very hard fall"

[otherlander]

37. That reminds me of something

someone said about hitler's mind being made of "2 bears raping a seal while Ghengis khan ate roses" or something like that.

[BlueIris]

49. Woah...what now? Libby was another "frustrated novelist"?

And ew. What a sick bastard.

[Obamarama]

7. I understand where you're coming from, but....

1) I don't think any prison Libby would be sent to would put him in danger of being raped. It's not like they're sending the guy to Sing Sing or Attica. Sex between inmates would likely be consensual, and who would want to shag Libby? There's desperate, and then there's DESPERATE! I suspect (although I don't know) that these so-called "white-collar prisons" are not the "don't drop the soap" variety.

2) Even if we had a prison system that worked for more hardened criminals (excuse the pun...not intended), there would still be sexual violence behind bars, I suspect. From what I understand, prison rape is more sociological in nature (men living with men, no availability of women)and a power/dominance sort of thing. I think it would exist in ANY prison, good or bad.

3) If I'm wrong on #1, and he did happen to get "broken in", I can say it couldn't have happened to a nicer guy. I know you want to be all Kumbya about it, but the cretin really does deserve what he has coming to him, and possibly more. In all actuality, he probably won't ever see the inside of a damned prison, so I don't think you (or Libby) have anything to worry about.

[Marnieworld]

15. Read the Human Rights watch Report

Or as much as you can stomach.

http://www.hrw.org/reports/2001/prison/report.html
It is prevalent everywhere. It's part of the culture.

There's a section about the inability to define "consent" within the context of a prison. Similar to consent while in kidnapped custody.

The system has no oversight. It's a for profit business that doesn't consider the inmates safety a priority.

Anal sex is not a punishment within the laws of this country and nor should it be. It is cruel and unusual punishment, and it's unconstitutional to be non-chalant, fatalistic about it. He deserves prison. He does not deserve anal rape as his punishment. And its systemic not based on the person's crimes. If it's ok for Libby then it's ok for the occasional pot user or petty thief.

I don't think it's pollyanna or kumbya to just want a country based on laws and a just criminal system. It motivated the founders and it motivated Fitzgerald. We should at least never stop aiming for the ideals even if they can't be reached. I can set aside my anger towards any accused or convicted person and say they shoudl get what is coming to them according to the law but when it's beyond that I will defend their human rights.

Libby today but who else tomorrow?

[Obamarama]

102. Good grief...lighten up.

Just because we want to villify Libby doesn't mean we're giving a wink and a nod to prison rape. Oy fucking vey.

[librechik]

8. too late

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=350215&mesg_id=351050

[mopinko]

10. kicking this thread

i dread them also. let's show that this is not freerepublic.
or try, anyway.

[GreenTea]

14. Who will NOT serve any time in the can, Libby's cling peaches or Scooter Libby peaches?

I know it's bad joke. but I made it up when I saw this thread...because the I know the asshole Libby's not going to do any jail time...with appeals and then a pardon...the Bush's love to pardon criminals that lie and commit crimes for them...Pappy was the king of it.

[Renew Deal]

17. Sure, but what will his prison name be?

Loose Lips Libby

[Joanne98]

18. Thankyou!

[Nye Bevan]

19. Very good point, thanks for bringing this up

I'm ashamed to say that I used to make this kind of joke (he'd better not drop the soap in the shower, etc.). Then one day I read an article on the real problem of prison rape and it suddenly seemed not remotely funny any more.

I recommend this article:

http://www.hrw.org/reports/2001/prison/report.html

[meldroc]

20. Even if Libby does go to prison, it won't be a "PMITA" prison.

He'll go to a Club Fed white collar resort prison. Something like Martha Stewart's Camp Cupcake, which will be more like a summer camp than a prison. He certainly won't face hardened criminals or prison assaults or rapes - he's special, so he goes to softball prison.

[northamericancitizen]

21. ``So in your deserved joy try not to lose your humanity`` k&r

[baby_mouse]

22. Agree nt.

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[uppityperson]

24. Rape is never funny. k&r

[Recursion]

25. The dude's going to Club Fed, right?

Not exactly San Quentin

[Marnieworld]

26. They rape everywhere

It could be the inmates or the guards. Non-violent convicts are constantly subjected to it everywhere. The entire system is not regulated and has no oversight. It is systemic and part of the entire prison culture to accept it.

http://www.hrw.org/reports/2001/prison/report.html

Even if Libby is safer than a poorer person who committed a crime without the whitest of collars should we laugh at this knowing how it affects so many people? My point is that as progressives we should be better than that.

Though I can understand how it is hard. Libby's crimes were to cover up the crime of outing Plame and that crime was an effort to hide the fact that they manufactured evidence to go to a war of choice. These people are responsible for thousands of deaths, war crimes far worse than perjury and obstruction. I can understand the sentiment of wanting them to be punished severely, even in ways that they punish others (Abu Ghraib, Guantanamo). Yet I wouldn't want rape at The Hague either. We should aim for higher ideals even when they seem impossible to reach or it is a challenge to evolve past our basest of instincts.

We should try and be better and many people here have been victims as well so if you (anyone here) can't have compassion for Libby at least be sensitive to those people who I am certain find no humor in the subject.

[ToeBot]

33. Yeah, someone could slip and land a DoubleWall in Scooters ass

But I'm sure they'll still let the guy take a mulligan.

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28. Amen!

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[WorldResident]

31. I don't think he'll be going to a Federal-Pound-Me-In-The-Ass Prison

I think he'll be going to a white collar resort prison.

[Carni]

61. No, he won't be

He'll spend his time doing gardening on a work release program with a bunch of other corporate types and then he'll be pardoned and make millions off of a book deal--his so called punishment will be a joke.

[mnhtnbb]

32. He'll never spend a day in prison. Bush will pardon him.

[fishnfla]

34. Can we hope that any more of our soldiers dont die in the war of lies?

Satan hisself will be ass-raping that asshole. Prison will be a cakewalk in comparison

[wicket]

35. Amen to that

:patriot:

[Marnieworld]

36. It's nice to see that some people get what I'm saying

I don't understand the sentiment that there are some rapeless prisons. Anything that I've read today while researching for writing about this here makes no differentiation at all. I looked for something, a quote to refute this but everyone agrees that it is systemic everywhere. State, Federal, county, city and JUVENILE facilities. And the victims are the most vulnerable, first time offenders, gay or transgendered people, non-violent drug abusers.

But people need to release their rage and I get that. Just wanted to protest it for a change.

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[Midlodemocrat]

58. Exactly right and very well put.

[Carni]

63. Oh please-- Scooter will not be raped in a club fed

Not happening...IF in fact he ever does a day there (which he will not)

[Prisoner_Number_Six]

38. He helped in the rape of our nation.

Should he not now be persuaded to bend over and grab his ankles for Cheney's sake?

[noamnety]

39. I am always saddened and disgusted by DUers who don't get it.

Those who promote male aggression and domination through sexual violence are promoting a culture of sexual violence - they are guilty of contributing to a culture that normalizes and gives approval to gendered violence.

"I raped her. She deserved it."
"I raped him. He deserved it."

BOTH statements are vile. And BOTH statements celebrate gendered violence by men as an acceptable way of controlling/dominating people. By doing that, BOTH statements contribute to misogyny, male supremacy, and contribute to a culture of rape that affects prisoners, that affects gays in the civilian world, and that affects the safety of women.

There IS no way to promote sexual assault without it influencing how men internalize justifications for sexual assault.

[Bake]

41. Yeah, but Scooter REALLY deserves it! n/t

Bake

[noamnety]

42. I don't deserve your comment.

I deserve better than to live in a world where people like you promote the idea that rape is an appropriate method of disciplining people. Next time you hear of a woman getting raped, you can be proud of yourself for contributing to the culture that makes that acceptable and normal.

If you ever come across Haj Ali Salah, you can also give yourself a pat on the back, for contributing to the "he deserved it" attitude that sums up every rape apologist and torturer's world view.


The caption that goes with that photo is: Here is Alaa' feeding Haj Ali Salah a cookie at the Al Monzer. I was shocked to find I was in the presence of the man behind the black sheet. I don't know much about him except he was in Abu Ghraib and is now head of an Iraq association for Iraqis tortured in American run prisons. Here is a portrait of him. He has grace, gravity, kindness, humor, and intelligence.

Here's another photo of him:

http://www.documentaryphotographs.com/alaa.html

You probably know him from this picture, though:


Why the hell would you contribute to the "he-had-it-coming" system that led to that last photo?

[sammythecat]

45. That first sentence:

"I deserve better than to live in a world where people like you promote the idea that rape is an appropriate method of disciplining people."

If I had to squeeze the entire argument into one sentence, that would be it.

[nam78_two]

67. Wow..kudos to you

for taking that awful comment and creating such a thougtful post from it. On target as always lwfern....I always appreciate your posts.

>>Why the hell would you contribute to the "he-had-it-coming" system hat led to that
>>last photo

So much of the misery in this world is created by this propagate it forward attitude...
Great post :toast:...


Edit/Disclaimer: Before someone makes a comment about my avatar being related to approval of the rapist in it (as someone once did :eyes:), since this is a thread about rape, I should mention that I like Anthony Burgess' book and the Kubrick movie for reasons entirely unconnected with the one rape.

[AZBlue]

78. WOW! Bravo!

Well-said - and thank you!

[LostinVA]

46. No one deserves it -- rape is not a proper punishment for criminals

Rape is a CRIME.

[Midlodemocrat]

56. Yup. Wishing rape on someone is what separates

men from animals, right? :eyes:

[Carni]

64. Much better to condemn them a slow sad death through mutilation and poverty

Or say no health insurance, as the bush admin has done...

Do you honestly care to equate a few minutes of humiliation for scooter in the pen (which is ridiculous because he will not be raped anyway) with what these assholes have done to the mangled troops and the common citizen who have no health insurance, or money to survive?

There are people (not just troops in Iraq) dying because of this administration and what they have perpetrated via their policies.

My comments were smart assed about Scooter *getting screwed* but my disgust with this admin is very real.

Why all this sympathy for some clown that will NOT be raped and will scoot off (excuse the pun) with a lot of blind trusts once he's pardoned?

Forgive me...but I will save my outrage for the people who are not a part of and are not protected by this admin (on OUR DIME)

[Midlodemocrat]

74. Oooh, the "I'm more liberal than you card"

Well played, well played. :eyes:

So, if I advocate for Libby's rape in prison can I join your uber elite club? Please? Please?

[sammythecat]

40. Agreed, and I'm glad you brought it up.

Rape is evil, period, and no circumstance imaginable can change that fact.

The ignorance and/or sociopathy of those who dismiss this with a laugh is truly sad and frightening.

[mitchum]

43. Sure, but I'm not going to refrain from making MURDERED in prison...

jokes about that pathetic fall guy

[Jamastiene]

44. Rape jokes are never ever funny.

Even if the target screwed the American public, rape jokes are uncalled for and never funny.

[DefenseLawyer]

47. Greg Marmalard

Nixon White House Aide, Raped in prison 1974. You are of course exactly right though, the institutional barbarity in our prisons is deplorable, even for an Omega.

[WinkyDink]

48. Can we make "making license plate" jokes? How about "lousy prison food" wisecracks?

Oh, I do so understand the OP. But G**d***it! These men are EVIL, and deserve EVIL THINGS to happen to them!

PEOPLE---CHILDREN---have effin' DIED HORRIBLY because of them, and if the U.S. prison system isn't cleaned up and made decent in time for Libby's incarceration, he can complain to George Bush.

[sammythecat]

52. So, rape is acceptable sometimes?

Maybe just this one time you're ok with it.

If you had a nine year old, would you tell him rape is bad?

Or would you tell him rape is bad unless you get really pissed off? Unless the person "deserved" it? Is that what you'd say?

[Midlodemocrat]

60. But, don't you see?

Wishing evil on them, MAKES US THEM!!!!!

We're better than that. At least I know I am.

I won't and don't wish evil on anyone. Man made troubles pale in comparison to what fate has in store for all of us. I won't wish evil on ANYONE, ever.

'Revenge is mine, sayeth the Lord' and as a person of faith, I believe that. I believe evil people will get their due, it's just not mine to give or wish.

[Mind_your_head]

51. You know really......people like Libby (and Cheney) NEVER understood/believed

the saying, "but there for the grace of God, go I".

They're gonna learn this lesson the very very hard way....and it doesn't give me the least bit of pleasure, but the lesson must be learned by these guys. The fact that they never learned it in the first place is what really makes them the 'b*stards' that we know them to be!

[Cobalt Violet]

53. I promise not too make jokes about that.

It's not funny at all. I agree.

[MrSlayer]

54. He won't be raped. He's isn't going to a real prison.

He'll go to a country club until the pardon.

[Carni]

72. Exactly Mr Slayer...

The SOB has the appeal in the works but he's already been raped before spending a day in jail...

Rich influential people don't get raped, that is not their destiny and the sooner the rest of us figure it out the better off we will be in protecting those of us who ARE subject to this type of treatment.

[Midlodemocrat]

80. So, let's all make rape jokes in the meantime!!!!

Rape is SO fun, SO cool, SO 2007!!!!!

Not directed at you, Mr. Slayer. Just some others on this thread.

[NMMNG]

55. Thank you

It's not a GLBT thing, it's a rape thing. It's a human rights thing. Advocating the rape of another person, no matter who they are, is just plain wrong.

[GoneOffShore]

57. What sort of punishment do you advocate for rapists?

I'm not starting, I'm just asking.

[Midlodemocrat]

62. An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind.

[GoneOffShore]

65. I know that quote

I'm not advocating "An eye for an eye" punishment.

But I would like to know what sort of punishment Buffy was looking for.

Neither am I above wishing that Scooter gets the worst possible conditions for his incarceration. My heart bleeds for those who have died because of his enabling criminal behaviour.

I don't wish to dehumanize anyone, but sometimes I wish that we tested for humanity. Would Scooter pass? Cheney? Bush? Rumsfeld? Or would they throw everyone else off the lifeboat to the sharks proving that they weren't human at all?

[Midlodemocrat]

68. I thought you probably did. My point is that

we, as progressives, should strive for something better, not revenge.

Is he evil? Yes. Without a doubt. Is he the most evil man who ever lived? Probably not.

If we are going to scream and rant about the torture at Abu Ghraib, we can't very well be advocating for the same thing within our own borders.

That was my point.

[GoneOffShore]

71. I have to admit that I'm not feeling very "progressive" towards these criminals

And I'm not sure why I should.

I'm not advocating torture here, but neither am I pleased that Libby will probably not see the inside of a prison. And I'm certainly not pleased that if he does, it will be Club Fed. He did the crime. he should do the time. And hard time at that.

It's not revenge, but it's outrage at the crime he committed.

I'm a bleeding heart liberal, but my heart wouldn't bleed for Scooter.

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Because I think if he was in that lifeboat, he'd throw anyone to the sharks to save his skin.

[Midlodemocrat]

75. But your advocating for his rape in prison

makes us no better than him. And, I don't mean you personally, I mean all the people on this thread who are under the misapprehension that if Scooter is raped in prison and suffers and is tortured it makes up for the atrocities he committed.

Because it doesn't. Not by a long shot. And wishing ill on someone diminishes US. We're better than that. We are. You are. I am.

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[GoneOffShore]

82. Did I say that? Did I advocate that? No

What I said was that conditions for him should be as harsh as allowable..

Maybe I'm not better than that, maybe I'm a vengeful, nasty person who hopes that Scooter gets the worst of experiences in prison.
"if Scooter is raped in prison and suffers and is tortured it makes up for the atrocities he committed. "
Nope, it's not going to make up for the atrocities, it won't even be a mea culpa for him. Because he doesn't understand what he did.

You know, all the talk of being better than that is just talk. Because deep down, when we see and hear of people who commit these crimes, for some of us the natural response is to wish the worst for them. And that is supposed to be bad. Well, I'm not so sure. It's not a knee jerk reaction, but something that I've thought through. I'm pissed at Libby and his ilk. I'm not actually sure that he and his cohorts (Cheney, Bush, Rumsfeld, Coulter, Norquist, Tanton, Scaife et al) are in fact human and deserving of human sympathy(because they don't see anyone but themselves as worthy of life). You know that joke about getting the Pulitzer prize winning picture and the only question is whether save the guy or shoot in b&w or color? Well, I'd go for the film choice.
I know it's harsh, and we shouldn't dehumanize people. But as I said before, shouldn't we have a test for humans.

added on edit.
And maybe I don't pass yours, but hey, thems the breaks.

Good night.

[Midlodemocrat]

84. It's not just talk. It's who we are.

If it were just talk, we would be like them.

And, I didn't mean to say you were advocating rape per se, but you were advocating the harshest punishment and this thread is about his getting raped in prison.

So, I apologize if I misinterpreted something you said. That wasn't my intention.

[Carni]

91. "It's who we are"

Hysterical and stupid sounding in defense of the bush reich criminals regarding pretend rape scenarios of someone who will never spend a day in jail?

Yeah that sounds like what you are representing (good luck with that)

Maybe you should find some actual victims to defend because Libby bush and company ain't it...

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[Midlodemocrat]

96. I said Ann Coulter wanna be.

You've got a ways to go.

Wit and all that.

[Carni]

97. Your feeble insult would make more sense

If I was a Bush advocate.

I am not and I want Scooter and the Bush admin to face prison sentences (which they probably will not)

I fail to see how this makes me like Ann Coulter.

[Midlodemocrat]

99. Facing prison sentences is a long way from the punishment

you were talking about earlier.

ALL of us on the left want them punished, just not raped or tortured.

I don't understand why this is such a difficult concept for progressives to get.

[Carni]

100. You're something else

I never said raped -- now you have thrown torture in...I said savagely screwed like they have screwed the country.

It was figurative--I don't know what your agenda is, but you are a little too obviously militant about this.

[Midlodemocrat]

101. Okay, let's break this down and no backpedaling.

You post on a 'let's not post about Scooter Libby getting raped thread' that you hope he gets 'savagely screwed' and we're all supposed to believe you meant that figuratively?

Couldn't you have chosen a different term? The OP SPECIFICALLY indicated that she was asking for posters here NOT to joke about or advocate for his rape in prison.

Sorry. Don't buy it. You know what you posted and you know what you meant and you are being called on it and backpedaling.

[Carni]

104. I chose the term because I was annoyed to get a lecture

A post saying what NOT to say about Scooter Libby...

Forgive ME, BUT it was actually kind of NICE to see that SOMEONE from the bush admin was actually held accountable in court today for something that they did wrong (at least for the moment until he gets off)

My gut reaction when I opened the OP was "oh for Christ's sake another lecture"

I get sick of every time something positive happens regarding the crimes of the admin actually getting addressed, that somebody has to post a "police thread" to tell people what not to say.

Maybe I have been obnoxious...I don't condone rape in a literal sense even for Scooter, but I don't appreciate being lectured and these people all should get totally *screwed over* (monetarily like we have been) because of what they have done to this country.

If it makes you happier to think I would rather see these men banished to pushing shopping carts and living on a street corner with no hope of a better life, then that is what I meant by savagely screwed -- although I am not sure that is better bthan thinking what I have been acused of saying.

AS far as rape -- I don't condone it and once again it is a non-issue for scooter and his cohorts.

As to you "buying something" I don't care--my posting record is one of candor--what I say may not be popular but I state what I think.

[Midlodemocrat]

105. No one disagrees with you, least of all me.

what they have done to this country is horrific and they should all be made to pay. Legally.

The comments on this thread and others that were locked are horrendous to me because I treated rape survivors, both male and female, and it isn't just the victim who suffers. It is their entire family.

I'm no fan of Scooter Libby. No one at DU is. But I don't want him raped in prison. I don't want anyone raped in prison.

I had a patient commit suicide two days after going to prison because he was 'fresh meat'.

Rape is a horrific, terrible crime. NO ONE deserves it. I know you agree with me that even Scooter Libby doesn't.

[GoneOffShore]

95. I'm not sure what I wish for Scooter.

but I do think he's worthless crap.

As Prostetnic Vogon Jeltz said:

"Death's too good for them"

[Maven]

98. This has NOTHING TO DO with "defending" Scooter Libby

Not seeing prison rape as an acceptable, even humorous form of punishment <> feeling one bit of sympathy for the particular criminal in question.

Stop forcing this false dichotomy down everyone's throat.

[NMMNG]

66. Prison

Along with intensive counseling.

[GoneOffShore]

69. And how has that worked out so far?

Any stats on recidivism?

Or do we just keep them locked up forever?

I'm not trying to be snarky here, but I'm not sure of the efficacy of counseling, by which I think you mean "talk therapy", showing them the "error of their ways". I'd be curious to know how well that works with people who are seriously bent.

[Midlodemocrat]

76. Actually, the stats on WC recidivism are pretty good.

Most WC criminals don't repeat. Interesting, for sure.

[GoneOffShore]

83. WC?

[Midlodemocrat]

85. White collar.

[GoneOffShore]

87. Rape is a white collar crime?

My question for Buffy was what sort of punishment was proper for rape.

The response was prison and counseling.

My question had to do with recidivism for rapists, not white collar criminals. Vis a vis WC Crime, it would appear that people like Libby, et al would do it again without thinking about it. The guys who get caught for penny ante crap, don't go back. The guys who steal millions get out and go for the brass ring again.

[Midlodemocrat]

88. Oh, sorry. I misunderstood you.

I thought you were referring to 'white collar' prisons.

[Madspirit]

59. Besides

The moderator quickly locked the thread with the rape jokes. I wrote her and thanked her and she said the moderators take that very seriously and rape jokes are not OK at DU.
Lee

[EFerrari]

70. Okay.

:kick:

[SammyWinstonJack]

73. I doubt he'll spend one day in "prison". nt

[walldude]

77. While I personally won't make jokes I certainly

won't fault anyone who does. Being the "nice guy" party hasn't really done much for us. As a matter of fact, it's gotten us trampled on.

[lonestarnot]

81. Ugh no.

heh heh heh

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[meldroc]

89. I highly doubt that Libby will get raped, but...

Libby is a very high profile personality, and assuming he does end up behind bars, he will be well protected - stories of him getting raped in prison will make a huge stink and cause major political problems for the prison system. He'll get the special privileges that other inmates don't get.

Now other prison punishments... Maybe we could send him to an old fashioned prison quarry, have him spend his time breaking big rocks into little rocks. That or we could send him to the supermax in Florence, let him spend his sentence talking to himself and watching the walls bleed 23 hours a day...

[NDP]

90. You just implied one, and I laughed. I could make one about Libby and Michael Jackson, but I won't

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[Evoman]

103. I had a acquantence in one of my sociology classes

who argued that it might take the rape of a high profile person (although he wasn't talking about Libby personally...just generally about actors/white collars who go to prison) to actually get the system to clean up the systemic rape in the jail system.

He had a convincing argument, but I still couldn't agree with him. Who would be that sacraficial lamb? It makes me sick that ANYBODY (no matter how horrendous their crime) to suffer through that...and the sort of loss of human dignity that comes with that act makes people WORSE once they get out.

Something needs to be done, but I don't know what....

[pinto]

106. Locking.

All we can promise, as mods, is to lock discussions that have gone off the rails.

Thanks for your understanding.