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1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 11:04 PM
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you know what? its over. why try anymore? let's all just give up. its over....
i've been reading post after post after post here. we are in a depression. we have hit peak oil. global warming. our food supply is poisoned. our food supply is gone. gas will be at $10 a gallon before the summer is out. we will attack iran tomorrow. these cowards will never be impeached. the poor will always suffer. my family will always suffer.


bitch, bitch, bitch. whine, whine, whine...


ok. now that see your "pissed off." i don't get it.

how about a thread where we come together and suggest some thoughts about how we solve our problems. instead of just bitching about our problems.


being a critic and being a bitch is so cool. fuck you.

how about an actual idea about a problem and how you would deal with that problem...

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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 11:08 PM
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1. We could form a pact.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 11:08 PM
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2. here's a suggestion
don't make a request and then add FUCK YOU
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1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 11:22 PM
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4. ok. sorry about that. what is your plan.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 11:27 PM
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6. most important right now
GET THE REPUKE OUT OF THE WHITE HOUSE
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 11:31 PM
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7. Speaking of which, YOU, Skittles, have been fucking up for days now.
All of the posts I've seen from you are cynical-ass shit.

I expect better than that from you. How about some defiant positivity?
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 11:33 PM
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8. I am a realist
I don't make nice just to be positive
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 11:35 PM
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10. Well, you're also easily demoralized, then. nt
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-24-08 12:03 AM
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18. nope, not demoralized
it seems that way to you because my head is not in the clouds with the pack
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 11:12 PM
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3. Suggestions abound but we are not in the mood/mode to even discuss them
The Pubs know the real power lies in the direction of FRAGMENTING all opposition to the point of losing elections...They wish to remain in power.

we need to go positive....change the Polarity from Neg to positive...

Come, we go think.....
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1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 11:42 PM
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11. aaarrrggg...
yes.

i am just tired of reading all of the negative. i guess my frustration was my focusing on the positive.

your rights are being usurped?

how?

they are not.

your freedoms are being denied?

how?

they are not.

you have more rights and freedoms than any american has ever experienced before.



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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 11:46 PM
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12. And then we go eat.
Feel better after.

Hekate

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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-24-08 01:34 AM
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23. Solving is not all that hard after practicing at the range a few buckets.
Come, eat, sing, smile, laugh, share, enjoy.....
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 11:25 PM
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5. Never give up. Never surrender. Never cease to fight for freedom.
Always raise consciousness regarding the truth of what is occurring and what must be done. Impeach and prosecute NOW. Rally others to take up the cry until the entire nation is screaming it and the entire world shakes because of the fierceness of the cry.

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Independent_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 11:58 PM
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17. Right on, Peake!
Couldn't have said it better myself.

Peace bro.
;)
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-24-08 12:06 AM
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19. I just saw that in your journal. Made me want to start one.
:P :applause:
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-24-08 12:11 AM
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21. Never stop working to bring seriousness to those who cannot see the danger in front of us.
Edited on Tue Jun-24-08 12:40 AM by Peake
Or seriousness will do it for us, if the crawl to $5.00 a gallon regular hasn't already done so. We will all get there at some point, through working for freedom or from Personal Inconvenience. People WILL become serious, it's only a question of when, and how.

:shrug:
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 11:34 PM
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9. No, no. We're all gonna die.
Tomorrow.

Just accept it.


And you don't even have to call in sick. I guess that's the upside.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 11:47 PM
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13. Here's something you can do.
http://kiva.org/app.php?gclid=CIner8b6hI8CFRFBhgodpEEDuQ

We now have 16 loans out.

It won't fix the world, but it actually does something for real people.

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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 11:48 PM
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14. I like puppies and kittens
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-24-08 12:08 AM
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20. I like turdles
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1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 11:53 PM
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15. i'm just fucking drunk and pissed. ignore me. who hasn't been pissed...
AAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHGGGGGG!!!!!!!!!!

i'm pissed.


ignore me.

sorry.

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Two Americas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 11:54 PM
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16. no problem
Edited on Mon Jun-23-08 11:59 PM by Two Americas
I am one often accused of being "negative." I would much rather talk positive and constructive political ideas, but that is very difficult when you have to wade through pollyanish and child-like "think positive" stuff, and deal with the pervasive libertarian "personal choice" approaches, and the promotion of "free market" ideas. All of that is antithetical to what the left and the Democratic party traditionally supported and promoted, and it is not compatible with constructive left wing solutions or even with political solutions of any kind.

So let's talk politics as though we were still Democrats, and get genuinely all hopeful and positive, rather than acting like adolescents cheer leading our high school football team or having a crush on the latest teen idol, shall we? Here is a start...

1. Public transportation

Moving the billions that go into highway repair and construction into public transportation attacks environmental and energy challenges at the same time. If you are not free to move, if you cannot get to work, without paying the troll under the bridge blood money, you are not free at all. Sprawl, environmental destruction - for what? So the powerful few can turn us all into isolated little consuming unites, easily fleeced and easily terrorized. We have a right to move about without continual oversight and monitoring by law enforcement and profiteering by the few.

2. Restore the public utility infrastructure

Basic services were once tightly regulated. The thinking was that a private company should not be given monopoly control over basic public services necessary for survival, and then not be watched for the sake of public benefit and welfare.

3. House people

Wheee it sure is fun getting wealthy off our real estate investments - those things we once quaintly called "homes" where people "lived" - but the price of people being homeless, while millions of others are terrorized and orient their entire lives around the fear of becoming homeless only serves the few at the expense of many. House everyone, and house them now. This is achievable, but not without the political will. Creating public support for this - which should be easy to do if we pout our minds to it - is our job. Let's get "positive" and get busy.

4. Feed people

Our public agricultural infrastructure has been under continual assault from the right wingers for decades and is now teetering near collapse. The purpose of food is to feed people, not to turn a quick buck on creating artificial scarcity and hoarding and pushing producers to the brink of extinction.

Regulate the brokers and wheelers and dealers and reign them in. Fund ag research, restore public safety inspection, insist on fair trade, reign in the global corporate players who are manipulating the food supply.

5. Protect the public assets

The country does not belong to the wealthy few who can afford to buy it, it belongs to all of us and to future generations. No more privatization.

6. Return the public airwaves back to the public

I hear Democrats and liberals say "talk is of no use, we nixed to do something!" and in general devalue discussion and communication, as though it played the same role in politics as it does in commercial market=ibng - just some words to sell someone on something, The opposition knows what we forgot - the pen is mightier than the sword. They spend more money and effort on controlling the media than they do anything else, because they know that is the path to absolute power over us. The opposition controls the media. They control our thinking that way. They control the wealth and power in the country that way. We make lame efforts to play their game and buy our way into the public thinking. We can never win that game. As with all of these solutions, politics is the tool in our hands.

Why does the right wing need to control the media? To get their "message" across? No. They have no message. They have no philosophy. They want to make sure that no serious discussions ever happen, that no one does any thinking. The airwaves belong to the public, and they are for the main purpose of preserving democracy through public discussion and education. Why shou;ld we let them be stolen from us for the purpose of benefiting only the few and harming the public and destroying democracy? Why do we roll over for this?

7. Organize, organize, organize

After decades of union leaders abandoning recruitment, organizing and no longer standing strong for labor, in lieu of a top-down management of the unions that mainly saw funneling money to Democratic party candidates (hey! better than Republicans, right?) as doing their job, there are now embers here and there of a new democratic grass roots labor movement starting. Workers - that is almost all of us and everyone we know - are vulnerable as never before. The workers are the producers in the country, the ones that create value, the ones that produce wealth. That traditionally has been the position of all but the most extreme right wingers. We have abandoned the fight for the workers, and we could make tremendous progress in this area with very little effort compared to the time and money we waste on various liberal causes and useless politicians.

If every person reading this became a labor organizer, first and foremost starting tomorrow, that would be the impetus to move every single progressive issue forward powerfully and effectively and get out of the funk of anxiety and confusion. Politics is about power and wealth, who has it and who does not. The wealthy and powerful few are destroying the country for their own private gain at public expense. We must organize to fight back. Class warfare is already happening, and is nothing to fear. The problem is that we are losing and losing badly, mainly because we are not even showing up for the battle, but instead are isolated and alienated individuals scrambling around trying to find personal survival strategies. Untied we stand, divided we fall.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-24-08 02:31 AM
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24. Those are fine ideas. I've heard lots of fine ideas here, & elsewhere.
They usually start with "they should..."

The problem is that people don't seem to be willing or able to get serious about the "organize" part.

I'm sick to death of the "we're all going to die" posts too.

OTOH, if you post something attempting to explicate the web of money that runs the show, you're "negative".

one extreme or the other
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Two Americas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-24-08 02:49 PM
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32. yep
I can't understand the resistance to organizing and to applying class analysis.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-24-08 12:13 AM
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22. That thing got my blood a boil'n. Snort ROFL AGAIN!
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Two Americas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-24-08 02:40 AM
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25. ok that does it
I post something constructive, and no response.

I am going back to "bitch, bitch, bitch. whine, whine, whine..." and being "negative" and a "purist" and "demanding perfection."

It is the only way to get people's attention.
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-24-08 02:42 AM
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26. I guess you've missed all the threads that are actively looking for a solution.
Stop complaining about complaining and join in.
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-24-08 02:49 AM
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27. It's been tried...
Constructive threads don't last long. They tend to sink like the proverbial stone. Go over like a lead zeppelin. Ah, you get what I'm saying.

I really think we should start taking some wacks at the corporate media. I call it the "Punk the Press" movement. Start small by pointing out obvious bias to the people we know who haven't noticed it yet, and maybe graduate to a concerted effort to point out their idiocy in public...rather like the anti-tabacco "Truth" organization. Since they go out of their way when we protest the government, maybe we should just start protesting THEM. Out in front of their corporate offices. No more free ride.

I realize that we have a lot of pressing problems right now, but at least part of the cause is the fact that the corporate media has been used to distract the American people from seeing precisely how much trouble we're actually in. They're at least as much our enemy as any elected or appointed asshat.

But I get the feeling that people just don't really want to be bothered.
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Sherman A1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-24-08 03:02 AM
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28. Great Post
now the" F..... You" aside.... Just what are YOUR Ideas? Or are YOU just doing what you seem to be accusing others of doing?



:shrug:
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1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-24-08 03:56 AM
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29. you are right. i tried to apologize upthread... regardless. i am sorry.
what do we do? what are my ideas?

that is my frustration. we elect representatives. they are supposed to carry our wishes forward and do our bidding for us. they are supposed to represent us and do the right thing.

but they don't. we elect them. we ask them to. we email them. we call them. we write them. but they don't represent us.


and what is the alternative? vote them out of office? to what end? do we elect a republican? like that is better?

honestly, i am at the end of my rope. this administration is so clearly outside of the law it should be apparent to anyone. anyone. yet my elected officials just play along.

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


i don't mean to take it out on you good people.

i am just so pissed and i don't know who to take it out on.

forgive me.






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Sherman A1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-24-08 04:14 AM
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30. I too am frustrated and angry, yet
there are things which we can control and/or influence and things we cannot (our representatives fall into both categories) and all we can do is all we can do. I write LTTE's, write my reps (both Dem and Republican) and talk to who I can about the coming election. We can individually do what we can to conserve, recycle and try to survive the imploding economy, but there is alot of pain in our future I fear. Yet, we need to keep up our spirits, worry about the few things we can control and remember to tell the people that we care about that we do care about them. There is no silver bullet to fix the mess, but we can either let it get us down or try to get through the day and be as happy as we can be.


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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-24-08 04:21 AM
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31. I learned how to make laundry detergent on here yesterday.
just sayin'
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