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emad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 08:06 AM
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'Cannibal relatives ate boy alive'
Source: Telegraph

A seven-year-old boy was kept chained in a closet as relatives hacked off pieces of his flesh to eat, a court has heard.

In a case with echoes of the Fritzl family horror in Austria, Ondrej Mauerova was partially skinned in the closet in a cellar at his home in Kurim near Brno, in the Czech Republic, according to reports.

The abuse – involving members of a religious cult – was uncovered by chance last May when a neighbour's television baby monitor picked up graphic pictures of what was happening next door.

Ondrej and his nine-year-old brother Jakub were locked and chained in the cellar for months by their mother Klara, 31 – a member of a group called the Grail Movement.


Read more: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/czechrepublic/2162250/'Cannibal-relatives-ate-boy-alive'.html
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emad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 08:09 AM
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1. Grail Movement cult website link:

The Grail Movement is an informal union of people who wish to live their lives by the Principles of In the Light of Truth: The Grail Message, by Abd-ru-shin. The Grail Movement is represented in many countries.

The organization of the Grail Movement is limited to a minimum. There is no membership, and there is no attempt at solicitation. There are no ties entailing obligations either between adherents of In the Light of Truth: The Grail Message, or with regard to the Movement. Supporting the establishment of hours of joint worship for the veneration of God is an important task of the Grail Movement. It also contributes to the development of true humanity on the basis of the Message of Christ and of the Grail Message.

http://www.grailmessage.com/GMmain.htm
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 08:11 AM
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2. Jesus would not like them
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 08:13 AM
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4. Yes, Jesus had harsh words for anyone who would harm a child
Edited on Fri Jun-20-08 08:13 AM by Lydia Leftcoast
:cry:
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 08:17 AM
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7. "development of true humanity on the basis of the Message of Christ" ???
and this leads back to the OP how?

I'm confused.

:shakeshead:

I continue to be horrified by humans' inhumanity.
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 08:20 AM
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8. Karl Rove..
... can call himself a Democrat but that doesn't make him one.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 12:43 PM
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26. Don Rumsfeld
Edited on Fri Jun-20-08 12:43 PM by lonestarnot
is still on duty somewhere.
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TrogL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 12:33 PM
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25. I am a student of Grail literature
This has nothing to do with ANY Grail literature I've read up until now (and I've probably read pretty much everything).

The themes are completely different.
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emad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 01:03 PM
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28. This is a cult based on a 'prophet' and an agenda for recruitment.
A lot of the mid-European cults owe their roots to pre-Nazi stuff like Madame Blavatsky and Aleister Crowley.

The P2 Lodge for instance was a satanic pedophile offshoot of Freemasonry that went underground after spawning other offshoots and/or amaglamating with other money-making mind-control sects.
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 02:10 PM
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31. you know, given the horrors of europe over the last sixty or so years,
it should surprise no one that stuff like this pops up. it had to given the circumstances of war and hitler and death camps and the like.
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bean fidhleir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 02:59 PM
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38. And that's the truth. It'll take another 3-4 generations (if we have that long) before
the echos start to damp out.

And we're in for our own, here, too.
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Prophet 451 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 03:11 PM
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42. P2 weren't satanic
and they went underground because their parent lodge stripped them of their charter after they became infested by the Mafia.
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mainegreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 08:12 AM
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3. Stick her in a dark box.
Keep her there for life.
Never let her out.
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CanonRay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 08:16 AM
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5. Just what the world needs; another religion.
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raystorm7 Donating Member (944 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 08:27 AM
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10. Aint religion grand?! One person eating is news, a million dead from war is a statistic =/
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Spouting Horn Donating Member (310 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-21-08 06:08 AM
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70. And a 100 million dead
in the 20th century alone...under the banner of equality and atheism.

Religion isn't the only cause of mass murder...as proven by Mao, Stalin and Pol Pot.
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emad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 08:16 AM
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6. Boy 'skinned and eaten' by his cannibal cult family after being held captive in a cellar
DAILY MAIL:


By Daily Mail Reporter
Last updated at 1:55 PM on 20th June 2008


An eight year-old boy was skinned and his flesh fed to cannibal relatives after his mother kept him locked in a cellar, a court has heard.

Evil Klara Mauerova - a member of a sinister religious cult - wept in court as she admitted torturing her son Ondrej and his ten year-old brother Jakub.

The court also heard allegations that relatives had partially skinned eight-year-old Ondrej and then eaten the raw human flesh.

The two boys told how their mother and relatives had stubbed cigarettes out on their bare skin, whipped them with belts and tried to drown them.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1027962/Boy-skinned-eaten-cannibal-cult-family-held-captive-cellar.html
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Carni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 08:26 AM
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9. OMG how repulsive
There are no words to describe my horror regarding this.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 08:31 AM
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11. Something doesn't add up here - there has been an arrest and they are into trial testimony and
now there is one small news snippet?

Why wasn't this headlines when they arrested them months ago?
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emad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 08:42 AM
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12. Maybe too horrific for the national press?
Or somebody persuaded the cops it was not 'in the national interest' ,ahem, to publicise....?
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 11:44 AM
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21. Maybe cause it's not in US.
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dana_b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 05:56 PM
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54. that can't be it. Austria has given us other horrors recently
that were very well covered.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 02:46 PM
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35. They don't want to give Dick any new ideas n/t
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MrsBrady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 09:24 AM
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13. this is so horrible...
i know child abuse is everywhere...
but is there something up with eastern Europe with all the ultra wacky super psycho stories lately?

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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 09:31 AM
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16. You are not imagining this. I don't know what it is, if
maybe it's the fact that during the Soviet era, the culture became skillful at hiding these abuses, but there is a LOT of abuse that goes on, I'm convinced of that. They just have this weird mentality - obviously a generalization, but I encounter a lot of Eastern Europeans in my daily life, and I notice this, as well.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 09:27 AM
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14. 13 replies and nobody has figured out a way to blame this on Bush yet?
I'm disappointed.
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TalkingDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 02:40 PM
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32. Bush eats kittens, not kids. n/t
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Patchuli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 03:08 PM
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39. I know that's shopped but it's so hideous!!! nt
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Mojorabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 09:30 AM
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15. It seems a strange story
I would think the children would have died from shock from the injuries. Horrific.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 03:34 PM
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46. i noticed that too. either they were eating very small bits, or
someone's lying.

i vote for 2, it's usually the case.

notice how child/sex abuse memes suddenly popped out in the 80's, here & in europe, & now you hear stuff like this so often you'd think everyone was secretly doing perverse things to their kids?

i smell...covert ops...

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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 09:52 AM
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17. Pretty much a metaphor for what the GOP policies have been doing in USA
Rats will eat their young. GOP seems to be living off the taxes and work of future generations. Pretty much the same thing.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 12:49 PM
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27. Now you're talking like a real DUer!
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 03:18 PM
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45. Thanks. wow...
:blush:
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 10:51 AM
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18. abuse of the boys was co-ordinated by a man known only as the "Doctor"
Edited on Fri Jun-20-08 10:54 AM by IanDB1
The court has also heard claims that the abuse of the boys was co-ordinated by a man known only as the "Doctor" who sent mobile phone text messages to the Mauerova sisters telling them how to abuse the two boys.


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TalkingDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 02:45 PM
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34. It's a good thing I believe in Justice rather than Vengence.
Still there's nothing to stop me from imagining what should be done to them......




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nadine_mn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 06:09 PM
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55. Damn you....warn a person if you have an evil clown pic
:cry:

I hate clowns...you made me wet my pants
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 10:56 AM
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19. Grail Movement
Edited on Fri Jun-20-08 11:03 AM by IanDB1
Grail Movement
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Grail Movement refers to an organisation originating in Germany around the late 1940s and inspired by the work of Abd-ru-shin, principally In the Light of Truth: The Grail Message.

Abd-ru-shin (1875-1941) never founded any such organisation in his lifetime, nor was he ever considered a member of one. The movement as it exists today was formally organised by followers.

The Grail Movement has been described both as a new religious movement and as a cult. Most members reside in Western Europe (primarily Germany and France) but can also be found in Quebec, Canada and in some West African countries such as Nigeria and Côte_d'Ivoire.

The world view of members of the Grail Movement is based mainly on the work In the Light of Truth, written by Oskar Ernst Bernhardt and published under the name Abd-ru-shin, which believers consider to be more important than the Christian bible. The original teachings of Jesus Christ, however, form a central theme throughout the Grail message.

Worldwide, there are about 20 000 members of the Grail Movement. A declaration of the personal commitment to adhere to the principles of the Grail message can be made by a request for the “Sealing”; a Grail Act (ceremony) that takes place during one of three annual festivals. This, however, is a personal decision on the part of the individual and leads neither to commitment to an organisation nor to formal links with other adherents.

In 2008, the Grail Movement was implicated in a case of cannibalism and child abuse in the Czech Republic<1>.

More:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grail_Movement



Abd-ru-shin
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(Redirected from Oskar Ernst Bernhardt)

Oskar Ernst Bernhardt (April 18, 1875, Bischofswerda, Saxony, Germany - December 6, 1941, Kipsdorf, Ore Mountains, Germany) is best known as the author of the Grail Message. A version was last published by the author in 1931 under the pen name Abdruschin<1>. A modified posthumous edition in three volumes was first published in 1949 under the pen name Abd-ru-shin<2>.

A variety of organisations seem to have been inspired by Abdruschin's ideas: philosophy clubs and associations (most prominently the Grail Movement) have been formed by readers of the Grail Message.

Neither did Abdruschin himself form or formally support any religious or spiritualist organisations nor is he known ever to have been a member of one. On the contrary his work seems to place a high value on individual responsibility and self-discovery.

After a brief commercial training Oskar Ernst Bernhardt began his literary activity while still a young man. This often led him to foreign countries. In 1915 he was interned in England. Released in 1919, he first went to Dresden, later to Bavaria and in 1923 began to write the first lectures of the Grail Message. In 1928, he settled on Vomperberg in the Tyrol.

There he wrote "In the Light of Truth: The Grail Message". Perhaps due to the book's focus on individualism and human free will he was labelled a "dangerous" element by the Nazi authorities and exiled from Austria in 1938. He was kept under surveillance until his death in 1941.

The Grail Message is his best-known work and continues to be read widely. It has been translated into over 20 languages.

More:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oskar_Ernst_Bernhardt




In the Light of Truth: The Grail Message
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

<snip>

Synopsis

Written between the years 1923-1931<1> it is a collection of 91 lectures addressing all spheres of life, ranging from God and the Universe to the Laws in Creation, free will and responsibility, intuition and the intellect, the ethereal world and the beyond, justice and love. It answers eternal questions such as what does it mean to be human, what is the purpose of life on earth, and what happens to “me” when I die; it also explains the causes and significance of the unprecedented crises facing humanity today and our responsibilities to the future.

The publishers write

This book ... answers with clarity all the unsolved questions of human existence. The recognitions mediated with this book are so immense that they force the unprejudiced reader to ponder, investigate and go forward. The Grail Message will appeal to any human being who is seeking to understand life, his or her place in Creation, and the source of one’s being.

In the Light of Truth: The Grail Message gives spiritual support for the problems and questions in life: Where do we come from? Where do we go when we die? What about fate and karma, Divine justice, free will, the Mission of Jesus, the Son of God, the Laws of Nature and Creation, and many others. In the wide span of its subjects, In the Light of Truth: The Grail Message also gives information about the mythical "Grail." While ancient sagas and legends, and modern art, depict the Grail as an earthly myth, without being able to provide a conclusive explanation of its significance, Abd-ru-shin describes the Grail as a spiritual reality of the highest order: it is the connecting point between the Creator and His Creation.

According to the picture of Creation mythology as given in The Grail Message, human beings are actually only guests on this earth. They came from a spiritual realm, which is far above the world of earthly matter, in order to begin a course of development leading down to this earth. This path continues for each person through repeated earth lives (reincarnation). Through experiencing man's inner, spiritual consciousness develops, grows, and matures. This is the prerequisite for the way back to the spiritual realm, which is the goal of his path of development: man can and should return to the immortality of the spiritual realm as a conscious spiritual entity, and thus enter "Paradise."

The Laws of Creation provide each human spirit with support on his way. Unchangeably interwoven from the beginning, they bear within, like the Ten Commandments, the Love, Grace, and Justice of the Creator. To truly know and understand the way these laws work is essential for successfully navigating one's way through life. Therefore, the explanation of these Laws runs like a thread through the lectures of The Grail Message.

Also described in the work is the relationship between the sexes: "male" and "female" each represent a specific, separate "principle," each of equal value for the total Creation. Therefore, any claims by the sexes for special rights are untenable, as is the view that man and woman are the same in their qualities and nature. There is a polarity between man and woman, which, since it has been incorrectly understood in the past, has led over the centuries to constant battles between the sexes. The Grail Message explains that the only way to end the conflict is to recognize and understand the special qualities of each sex and their special tasks in Creation.

And, most fantastically, now that we are at the turn of age when an increase in the spate of natural catastrophes will come to be, the Grail Message explains to mankind the "how" of diseases,which it reveals with undoubtable clarity as consequences of karmaic returns of the karmaic sowings of man through his intuitive perception, thoughts and deeds. Explaining that only in the light of Divine Knowledge will it be possible for the spirit to once again become strong by itself and be able to bring about resistance to diseases,especially when the time arrives for all diseases to become as good as incurable. Abd-ru-shin gives insight into the way and process behind diseases such as cancer, possessism, etc. Admonishing that the way of Truth and Light will lead onwards as would help restore mankind from diseases, spiritually.

More:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grail_Message




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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 11:07 AM
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20. I'm going to have to quit reading LBN, it would appear. This follows my inability
to be able to watch Animal Cops any longer.

My mind simply can't take it.
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1Hippiechick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 11:54 AM
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22. Inject the sickos with flesh-eating bacteria....let them die a slow, tortured death....
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1Hippiechick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 11:55 AM
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23. Or, better still, lock them away--together--with no food so they will have to resort to cannibalism.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 01:31 PM
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30. Spoken like a true "follower of christ"
:P
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1Hippiechick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 06:12 PM
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56. How would you know?
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 09:48 PM
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64. Because, as committed anti-theist, I probably know far more about your religion than you do.
Most Christians keep their faith only by studiously ignoring the more objectionable parts of the doctrine.
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1Hippiechick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-21-08 12:07 AM
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66. Where were you committed!?!?!? Are you allowed visitors?!?!?
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TalkingDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-21-08 04:09 AM
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67. I know what you mean. I had to give up the morning "big city" paper
for the same reason.

I can deal with factual news. Neutral stories. But can't stray into the abused/injured killed children stories until I'm a little hardened off by the day.

The Spousal Unit is just glad he no longer has to deal with me randomly reading some story and weeping inconsolably, making it difficult for him to choose to be at work on time. (although it still happens, but with MUCH lower frequency)
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northzax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 12:27 PM
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24. there is something weird going on here
besides the obvious, of course. images were picked up on a baby monitor? the kid survived for months, locked in a closet behing hacked apart?
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Alameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 01:27 PM
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29. What is the prognosis for the abused children?
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 02:44 PM
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33. christianity sure has some fucked-up adherents.
nt
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Patchuli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 03:14 PM
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44. It's an obviously seriously twisted cult
and I can't see where worshipping Jesus would have much to do with practices like that.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 02:52 PM
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36. If this was done by drug addicts, people would be calling for tougher drug laws
If this was done by illegal immigrants, people would be calling for tougher laws against immigration.

But since this was done by religionists, no one is going to talk about the fundamental problem of people who follow absurd, medieval superstitions in a modern society.

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LanternWaste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 02:55 PM
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37. I'm game.
I'm game to talk about it. As a followers of an absurd, medieval superstition, what precisely is my fundamental problem, how does it negatively affect modern society and what should be done about it?
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 03:08 PM
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40. To start with, we should have an open discussion of the dangers posed by religion
Edited on Fri Jun-20-08 03:08 PM by jgraz
Just like we do about drugs, sexual & violent media, hate speech, etc. No one can deny that religiously-motivated atrocities are common now and have been common in the past.

The idea that this is just a few bad apples is laughable, given that most of their actions are easily "justifiable" using the same religious texts that the so-called moderates follow. There's no way for someone to say the the Bible is true and good and then expect everyone to just ignore the horrors it contains.

The only thing that keeps more of these abuses from occurring is that most people don't follow their religion that closely. If they did, we'd see daily stoning of children, slavery, rape, and slaughter of anyone who doesn't adhere to their dogma.

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LanternWaste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 03:42 PM
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48. Bad things have happened in the name of freedom.
"No one can deny that religiously-motivated atrocities are common now and have been common in the past."

Nor can anyone deny that atrocities that had little to nothing to do with religion have also accord. Man has an innate talent in find something-- anything to satisfy his own inner demons. Sometimes it's religion, sometimes it's not.

Bad things have happened in the name of freedom. Is that the fault of Freedom, or the fault of the person(s) using Freedom as a justification??

"The idea that this is just a few bad apples is laughable, given that most of their actions are easily "justifiable" using the same religious texts that the so-called moderates follow."

May I then conclude that most of my parishioners are bad? And that interpretation of ancient texts is absolute?

"There's no way for someone to say the the Bible is true and good and then expect everyone to just ignore the horrors it contains." Which religion denies/ignore that there are narratives describing horrific deeds and actions?

"The only thing that keeps more of these abuses from occurring is that most people don't follow their religion that closely"

That seems to assume that most abuses occur because of religion. Were religion taken completely out of the picture, I'm confident that mankind would find newer and more effective justifications to commit atrocities in the name of.

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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 03:58 PM
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49. It's not about freedom, it's about blind acceptance of destructive practices.
No one is saying that we should outlaw religion, just that an honest discussion of the downsides should be part of the public debate. And one of those dangers is that most religions have as part of their dogma the express sanction of actions that are manifestly evil.

Tell me, have you ever read Deuteronomy to your parishioners? How about Numbers or Judges? If you have, what do you say about the contents? Do you accept the Bible's open advocacy of rape, slavery and genocide? Or do you tell your parishioners that those parts of the religion are evil and should be disregarded?

If you hold the Bible up as an unqualified moral guide (as most Christians do), how do you guard against those who actually take you seriously?


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spoony Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 05:51 PM
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53. Why do DUers become such immense blowhard idiots when
it comes to blaming all religion for the crimes of the obviously insane? Tell you what, go outlaw Marilyn Manson for Columbine then we'll talk.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 06:53 PM
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60. The weren't just "insane". They were *religiously* insane.
It's something that's treated as a good thing when the insanity involves a more socially acceptable religion.

And, btw, many people blamed Marilyn Manson for Columbine, and there were uncounted debates on the bobble head shows about whether that sort of music was damaging or dangerous. Where are all the debates on whether religion is dangerous? Why are those debates valid when it comes to music and video games, but not appropriate when it comes to something with a 5000-year history of causing the worst kind of violence?

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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 06:17 PM
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58. So you're in favor of tough drug and immigration laws?
Would you consider yourself a racist?
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 06:53 PM
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61. Never said that. Try reading it again.
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1Hippiechick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 06:37 PM
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59. " But since this was done by religionists no one is going to talk about the fundamental problem of"
people who follow absurd, medieval superstitions in a modern society."

Judaism, Buddhism, Hinduism, Islam, Christianity, etc, Ya sure you want to lump all these together?!?!?
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 06:55 PM
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62. I'll happily lump them all together, with the possible exception of Buddhism.
But the rest? Pure toxic waste.

If every single person woke up tomorrow and somehow forgot every piece of religious dogma, you tell me whether the world would be better off.
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 03:09 PM
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41. The poor boy's surname was "Mauer", not "Mauerova".
Unless he was transgendered in some way (-ova --> "female").

Can't find much mention of it in the Czech press, either. Sort of the kind of thing you go queasy just reading about.

Poor Andrew.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 03:12 PM
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43. sounds EXACTLY like the wealthy in the US
devouring the working class
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 03:36 PM
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47. i think it's very important that readers take every word of this report
as gospel. please don't question a thing.

the telegraph is known for its dogged factuality & neutral perspective.
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 04:58 PM
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51. lol
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1Hippiechick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 06:15 PM
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57. ROFL
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 04:32 PM
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50. Sometimes I think the universe would be better off if a comet hit this planet.
But that would kill of all the other species, too.

It's just humans that are awful.
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Jack_DeLeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 05:39 PM
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52. There are reasons I support the death penalty...
people like this should not be left to live.
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dger11 Donating Member (40 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 08:06 PM
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63. Hmm. I don't know about this.
It sounds like a sketchy story with missing details. The human hive mentality is capable of monstrous things, though. This mentality is especially prevalent among Europeans. Does the leader of this cult have a funny mustache?
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TalkingDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-21-08 04:14 AM
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68. No, but your avatar does. Welcome to DU.
And be nice to the Europeans, that "hive mentality" is more than balanced by progressive health care, drug laws and human rights. And bonus: in general, their idiot minority has not thrown such a tantrum that reasonable people have been shouted down in the process.

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Tektonik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 11:35 PM
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65. Ugh I've lost all my apetite
I should just go to bed. :puke:
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-21-08 04:19 AM
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69. They got a cookbook from the Almighty titled "How to serve Man"
Edited on Sat Jun-21-08 04:20 AM by Leopolds Ghost
They just misinterpreted some of it.

Hey, you gotta laugh to keep from crying right?
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