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Trillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 12:01 AM
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Homelessness, "Showing" as Petition to Government, and Redress of Grievances
Amendment I of the Bill of Rights reads: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

The conventional understanding of this amendment establishes Freedom of Religion, as well as Freedom of Speech, and is said to establish the doctrine of Separation of Church and State. We also have the right to peaceably assemble "and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

Typically, when we think of petitioning the government, we think of signing our names to a written document espousing particular thoughts or speech, or we think of standing in front of a government office, or on a busy street, holding a sign with words reflective of our thoughts and speech, in the hopes that those in the offices, or the general public driving by, will see our message and agree with it, leading to more pressure on our representatives to effect a legislative change that hopefully solves the particular grievance or problem.

However, it seems there is a third type of speech that some writers are well versed in, particularly fiction writers. This type of speech is known as "showing," and the short educational phrase is, "Show, don't tell." The challenge, for fiction writers particularly, is not only to write using techniques that tells a story as a news reporter might list facts and who said what when, but additionally shows the story in the readers' minds as a series of pictures. Sometimes creative writers speak of using words to "paint a picture." Perhaps the penultimate peak of showing versus telling is television and motion pictures. Most of us have been around long enough to have read that news, movie and television producers have used the First Amendment as legal justification to show us painful or uncomfortable pictures to watch, and to keep available to the public's view material even our own government would prefer that we not see.

Well, great! What does this have to do with the Homeless problem?

Homeless people are forced through a variety of creative survival means to live in ways that most of us are quite uncomfortable thinking about, nevermind seeing. First, they don't have homes (well, duh!), and shelters are often full, so they might live on the streets or in the unimproved canyons near our homes. Homeowners and businesses often object to this, ultimately, either because it lowers property values, or a variety of other well-reasoned objections having to do with fire dangers, sanitation, crime, or simply discouraging customers from entering the proprietor's locale and business. Yes, a homeless person might go through your garbage one day, looking for something to eat, or for something of value they can use. While I've never been homeless, scavenging through trash is an activity that I have participated in in the past, and highly value. You'd be surprised what can be found at times, perfectly good working items that others throw away, as well as discarded food that may not yet be spoiled. But I begin to digress from my point.

Some might prefer to think of this as "reality TV." I propose that homeless folks are essentially petitioning government by showing us, instead of telling us in a formal, written way, what it is like to be an economic outcast, and which constitutes a grievance that other humans can have a place of shelter, rest, and peace; a place to store their belongings, including food; while they do not.

If so, given the persistent and growing numbers of homeless folks, it appears their petitions are not only being ignored, but that in fact any solutions being offered are too little, too late, or are mostly ineffective at solving the apparent underlying problem, economics. I first became aware of the homeless problem in the 80s when they would show up at the park, or the beach, begging the public for a donation. In recent years, I've read that local governments occasionally raid ad hoc encampments located in canyons and brush, generally not visible from the surrounding neighborhoods. The police have not only bulldozed their makeshift quarters, but also thrown away their belongings, an activity that a Federal Court recently ruled was illegal.

Over the years many complaints about homelessness have been made, including the fact that they sometimes congregate in groups to live (think "peaceably assemble") in canyons and public lands, and that when such encampments are discovered, otherwise homeless-friendly cities reportedly send in the police. If they're solitary, it's less likely they'll be discovered or bothered by the authorities. Given our human species' social and co-operative natures, organizing into "communities" would not only be expected, but be quite normal and natural. It appears our government institutions and cultural pressures are attempting to force homeless folks to live solitary lives apart from others like them, while the reality is that they are humans that, every bit as much as the rest of us, most likely need some social contact. Our species evolved and survived the dangers of the jungle and the onslaughts of other predatory animals by grouping together for communal defense and sharing of food and resources. For our distant ancestors, it was a hard life fraught with many dangers, including territorialism with neighboring tribes, but also it's a history of loving and caring for each other in order to survive.

Homelessness is a tough problem for capitalism and property owners to deal with. When local governments are advised of their unwanted presence, the police are often sent out to "deal with the issue" in the way that government seems most comfortable with, by force. Recently there was a news item discussed on DU that had to do with homelessness in the San Diego area, my birth town.

I noticed the new's items listing of specific areas where homeless folks gathered in our county, one seemed out of patterned place with the others listed: the "Pala area". I started thinking about Pala, and how the town itself is on an Indian reservation, with a fancy new casino and hotel, built in the last several years, and if memory serves, is associated with at least one of the large, corporate hotel chains. The Indians who live in Pala are sovereign. For miles on either side of Pala, there isn't much, and beyond that to the east and west along Route 76 are mostly citrus farms. A photo of Pala (on their front page).

This dissonant pattern got me to thinking about how some of the hard-core homeless, who aren't particularly amenable to social services and other forms of establishment help, are much like hunter-gatherers and at least somewhat like the Indian predecessors that the U.S. Government entered into treaty with some century and a half or so ago and began the granting of particular lands and limited sovereign status. The Indian reservations, as imperfect and flawed and manipulative a solution as they were, much to small to support their past survival practices and culture, nevertheless seemed to create a certain legal precedent for dealing with hunter-gatherers who liked their form of life: give them some land and some sovereignty.

It would be wonderful to have a 100% full employment economy, with no employee making less than a living wage, with zero price inflation over very long time periods, but when has even one of those items occurred, nevermind all three simultaneously? Instead, we seem to have an economy that keeps some of us at the 'hunter gatherer' stage as a matter of perpetual reality, then calls those folks all sorts of demeaning names such as drug users, convicted, sex offenders, "Get a job, loser", bum, etc. Most of the rest of us, fearing these labels and the social stigma thus created, work harder and longer hours to get increasingly less with each passing year.

The economy of our modern civilization seems to cater to the Top 400 families who reportedly have average yearly incomes exceeding $170,000,000 per year (in 2001), and who, by all indications, are continuing to be well served by U.S. Law and the growing sovereignty of some of the corporations they own. In spite of politicians proclamations to the contrary, and coupled with the duplicitous games that have been played with the consumer price index (CPI) used for cost of living measurements and wage adjustments (COLA) for the past thirty years, the economy for most of the rest of us is quite poor and getting worse each day, year, and decade. While Congress debates granting private telecom corporations immunity from lawsuits for warrant-less wiretapping, ostensibly because the financial liability of those lawsuits could cripple them, most of the rest of us are but one paycheck away from homelessness.

When the wealthy elite's "investment corporations" such as Bear Stearns fail, our government "prints some money" by taking a loan from a consortium of private bankers known as the Federal Reserve to bail them out, and in return guarantees that taxpayers will pay back the loans, then gives the purchase to another private corporation, effectively privatizing any possible future profits paid for with taxpayer dollars! This is egregious, in-your-face corporate welfare! Yet, for 25 years the government's response to homelessness (PDF) has been a failure. Isn't this the opposite way a government supposedly of, by, and for The People should work? Are the only people that matter to our leaders now known by their corporate logo and their shareholders' wealth?

If homeless citizens are encamped on public land, then why are they being threatened with arrest and hassled by the police, given the First Amendment clause, "the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances" in their particularly realistic "showing" form of "petition"?

Maybe it would be healthier and happier for everyone, particularly the chronic homeless, if government would conceive of another tried path toward sovereignty that some humans could follow if they so choose, as opposed to the strategy of forced assimilation into an artificial "civilization" of a few wealthy predators and the rest of us as the predators' economic prey.
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glowing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 12:38 AM
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1. kick..
Why does Russert get the top spot, when this is so much more important.. Homelessness goes right to the heart of the failure of our government and of ourselves not demanding a gov. of and for the people.
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I Have A Dream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 12:14 PM
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2. Thank you for this post and the effort that you put into it. K&R. nt
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 12:21 PM
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3. Thank you for this.
Very well done.

Nominated.
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flashl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 12:25 PM
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4. Great post. K&R
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 12:29 PM
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5. Well said.
Also, so-called shelters for the most part follow the skid row model and many homeless are not alcoholics but people who have been lost on the economic ladder. Many are children or elderly, and the skid row type shelter does not help them nor does it help homeless women. Services to help homeless and poor people are inadequate and too stretched to help those who most need it. Also, we have put impossible to meet restrictions on the homeless by requiring them to have an address which prevents them from getting a hotel room, looking for a job, voting and and many more obstacles that keeps them from getting out of that condition.
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Trillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 02:44 PM
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25. Some of them even have jobs.
Edited on Tue Jun-17-08 02:45 PM by SimpleTrend
Their wages just aren't enough for housing!
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FirstLight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 12:53 PM
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6. I really like your reasoning at the end...
It is a peacable assembly, and those under such excruciating poverty should be MORE visible, not less. But poverty and all the suffering that goes with it are brushed under the corporate carpet so we can focus on consuming...rather than compassion.

Collectively we have been derailed in our priorities. When Obama said in his speech yesterday "It doesn't make you weak, to care; it doesn't make you weak to have compasion and give of yourself to others..." (paraphrased) He is talking to a shift in our entire paradigm of how we judge success.
We have to become more interested in becoming successful AS A PEOPLE..rather than as individuals. I worry at times that we are too far gone and that there will have to be some 'culling' of our herd before we get there ( could happen with disaster, or some horrible circumstance, ...yikes) But I HOPE that it could just be a matter of critical mass - that if enough of us elevate ourselves and focus on doing the same for one another - we CAN build a better society. I would like to think we are ready for that kind of emotional and intellectual evolution. I am an idealist.

Because of my idealism, it pains me to see the effects of poverty first hand, almost more than it pains me to be stressed about my own family's survival with things getting harder every day. I have almost resigned myself to giving up, but then I have a chance to help someone and it gives me hoope again for our human condition. That we DO know how to Pay it Forward as a collective. But we have to start somewhere. And many of us who want to help are in need of helping as well!

While the practical side of me says it begins with the structure of government and programs. I also believe it begins on a level of getting to the 'heart' of the issue. suffering is real, it happens right under our noses in the "richest" country in the world, and we waste more than we give on a daily basis. If we can begin to come to grips with that individually, perhaps a few or a few thousand can begin to get things done. I have said for a long time that democracy is best when applied to small groups and worked in a local setting. Grass roots baby.
And I also know that our soon-to-be President and his cabinet members (John Edwards especially)will bebringing the same passion to the National arena. So let's keep the conversations, compassion, and ideas going!
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 07:56 PM
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15. "While the practical side of me says it begins with the structure of government and programs"
Once again, I suggest to you the parable of the river that Sapphire Blue posted here so long ago:

There were two fishermen, enjoying an outing in our beautiful mountains, and fishing a popular river. Suddenly they heard cries and as the sounds came closer, they could hear someone in the river calling for help. Outfitted for the water, they waded into the swirling rapids, and pulled the hapless person to shore. While they were covering the shivering person with a blanket, they heard another cry for help. They ran to pull that person in to shore, and make sure she was breathing, and warm her with a blanket.

Then two more people were being tossed by the rapid flow. After pulling them out, and hearing the cries of another, one of the fisherman again went into the water to pull the person out, while the other fisherman started walking upstream. "Where are you going?" cried the one wading in the water. "I need help here!"

His friend replied, "You pull 'em out, and I'll go upstream and find out why people are falling into the river."

We must do both at once, and get to the true cause!
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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 07:30 PM
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37. Amen, worth repeating!
Edited on Wed Jun-18-08 07:31 PM by maryf
"I also believe it begins on a level of getting to the 'heart' of the issue. suffering is real, it happens right under our noses in the "richest" country in the world, and we waste more than we give on a daily basis. If we can begin to come to grips with that individually, perhaps a few or a few thousand can begin to get things done. I have said for a long time that democracy is best when applied to small groups and worked in a local setting. Grass roots baby."

Thanks for this!!!
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KillCapitalism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 01:14 PM
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7. K&R
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nosmokes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 02:38 PM
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8. K&R
Thanks for a thoughtful post.
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ulysses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 04:11 PM
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9. well done.
:thumbsup:
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I Have A Dream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 05:10 PM
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10. Kick. nt
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checks-n-balances Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 07:08 PM
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11. Thanks so much for posting this thoughtful thread...
You give us much to think about, even bringing the Constitution into it (of course, why isn't that obvious to everyone?). Truly homeless people in our country are treated as though they have no rights at all as human beings. As though if you don't have a job or have/make a certain amount of income, you're nothing. Taken to its "logical" conclusion, that's how it is.

Two other things that struck me:

1. Your points about Bear Stearns, especially the audacity they have about privatization; and

2. "The economy of our modern civilization seems to cater to the Top 400 families who reportedly have average yearly incomes exceeding $170,000,000 per year..." is so obvious yet I hadn't thought of that before. Perhaps because it hasn't always been that way.

Think about shortening this a little in some way and sending it to the NYT as a LTTE or sending it to the "My Turn" feature of Newsweek, or to Huffington Post. It should get wider readership that DU, as many readers as there are here.

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Trillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 02:51 PM
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26. Reference for point #2
Edited on Tue Jun-17-08 02:59 PM by SimpleTrend
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=358&topic_id=4527

It is so far above the upper 1% who have around $1,000,000 yearly income, say two professionals, that it's difficult to conceive except on a non-exponential graph. There's one on that page, somewhere in the middle.
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wellstone dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 07:11 PM
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12. We could pay living wages
if executives limited their pay to a reasonable multiple of the lowest paid worker.
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Two Americas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 09:15 PM
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19. important point
As Democrats, we must remember that the real wealth in the country is produced by us, the working people, not by the wealthy and powerful few who now control everything. If, after the wealth we produce has filtered through the hands of the paper shufflers, the bankers, the financiers, the speculators, the investors - most of it is gone and we are left wanting, it is we the working people who have been fleeced. We have a right to defend ourselves from these fleecing operations.

The Republicans believe that no one would work unless some wealthy person, or slave owner, or tyrant forced or induced people to. As Democrats, we know that is a lie, and that no wealthy person would be wealthy, no tyrant would have power, and no slave owner could prosper unless we were producing value that they can then control.

This is not some radical or fringe point of view. This is exactly how Abraham Lincoln saw things, and this point of view would resonate strongly with 70% or more of the population today. We must fight for it to be heard, for all we are worth.

"Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if Labor had not first existed. Labor is superior to capital, and deserves much the higher consideration." - A. Lincoln



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Trillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 03:52 PM
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28. Placing my tinfoilhat firmly in place,
Edited on Tue Jun-17-08 03:56 PM by SimpleTrend
and disregarding Pierre Bourdieu's assertion that the illusion is not intentional, making homeless folks an example to all workers keeps us working harder and longer for less.

It would seem, under this observation, that Labor is indeed a valued corporate commodity, and that it is intentionally :tinfoilhat: undervalued by manipulating mass perceptions. Pay less for more!
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Two Americas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 05:47 PM
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30. agreed
Of course all of the social problems are inter-connected, and yes of course there is a conspiracy of sorts. There is no central planning agency or evil mastermind planning this all out in detail and in secrecy, but nevertheless there is the casual conspiracy of convenience and shared interests among the bullies and the predatory and exploitative few with the resources to force thier will on the rest of us.

Human beings atre not a commodity of the "free" market, but yes you are correct - that is all we amount to today.

That bears repeating -

Human beings are not a commodity. They are not an expense, a cost, a drain, a loss, a waste, defective, or in the way. Yet that is how we all have been trained to look at human beings.

One more thing - there is no such thing as "the economy" when it does not serve people. The purpose of any economy is to serve the people - after all, it belongs to us - not to have people serve the economy. The "economy" they talk about on TV, the economy that is doing so well, the economy we must all serve is really the needs, interests and desires of about 1% of the population, with a few crumbs falling to another 5-8% of the population.
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tishaLA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 07:33 PM
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13. I can't believe the ACLU hasn't gotten involved
It's really discouraging. As I posted on the thread from the other day, the ACLU was instrumental in Los Angeles in the effort to protect the homeless against the city of Los Angeles' policies. This is a battle we have already fought in the 9th Circuit. What ultimately emerged was a "compromise" that allows homeless people in Los Angeles' skid row area at night, but they have to pack up during the daytime.

It is a "compromise" that has worked for nobody. It has essentially rendered the homeless criminal, while it has "spread" the "crime" of homelessness. It has moved the homeless away from necessary services. It has necessitated spending hundreds of thousands of dollars for policing efforts--money that could go to permanent housing, which is the only cure for homelessness. It has overburdened shelters, which are often ill-equipped to deal with more homeless...and shelters cost more to house the homeless than permanent housing, which--to repeat--is the only cure for homelessness. Or, it sends the homeless to prisons, which is the wrong place to deal with the homeless, and costs more to house the homeless than permanent housing, which--let it be a mantra--is the only cure for homelessness.
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Trillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 03:37 PM
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27. Thank you for the article,
Edited on Tue Jun-17-08 03:40 PM by SimpleTrend
from your ACLU of Southern California link:
In Los Angeles, the effort to criminalize sleeping outside is led by the Central City Association, a business group that has found allies on the City Council. In November, the Association released a report calling for an anti-camping ordinance.


I don't know what to add. Business groups insure that money flows, because they value money, anything else 'is of no use,' except for low-wage labor, that is.

Building lots of low income housing should provide building contractor jobs, but the Federal Government needs to get off it's Federal Reserve-based Corporate Welfare lightning strikes and start helping The People once again with their needs.

I posted below (or maybe above) a photo of Nadir Kahlili's emergency shelters. They're just a thought. He's up in Hesperia, CA, anyone in LA can drive up during one of his monthly open houses to see his designs already built, and they're apparently earthquake approved. Since they're made of earth and a little concrete, I don't see how they would ever catch fire.

The land to build those structures would need to be obtained, the Federal Government doesn't seem to have many problems setting aside wilderness areas when they want. They set Federal land aside for the Indian Reservations at one time, and granted limited sovereignty on those lands, they can do it again.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 07:48 PM
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14. I'd like to see DUers draw up a "formal" petition of redress....
I agree that we are, in fact, petitioning by assembling.. but I think it would also be great to see this as a formal, written petition.

As you know, I've been a real activist on this issue, but you have given me so much to think about....

This is BRILLIANT!

:applause:
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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 08:16 PM
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16. Wow, fantastic thread! K&R nt
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varelse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 08:27 PM
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17. I'm in awe
and also in complete agreement. Many thanks to the friend who brought this thread to my attention. It deserves a wider audience - recommended.
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Two Americas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 09:06 PM
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18. spectacular post
THIS is the sort of creative thinking we need to be doing, rather than falling back on the same-old same-old tired mantras about "the way things are" and "working within the system" and "reality" let alone making attempts at enforcing conformity and loyalty and attacking all who do not agree with us in condescending and demeaning ways.

The most powerful thing we can possibly do - and there are always demands from people such as "but what are your practical alternatives?" - is to create new contexts for the political discussion, new ways to approach the political debate. That is what will turn the Titanic, not frantically running around like headless chickens, repeating the same failed tactics and the same failed approaches and the same failed arguments over and over again, and certainly not by shouting louder or trying to purge people who will not chant the slogans in unison with us.

We are the thinkers, the writers, the readers and the speakers of the working class. How we say things, how we talk about things, how we think about things is where we make our contribution, where we can be most effective.

Very inspiring!
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pamela Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 09:35 PM
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20. K & R
Excellent post. You make so many great points. I hope this will be widely read.
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windoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 10:14 PM
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21. With 30,000+ people displaced from the flood,
record numbers of foreclosures and bankruptcies, NO flood victims, tornado victims, veterans living below the poverty level, how many homeless do we have now?
This country is on the way down, almost everyone I know is very nervous about possibly losing their homes also. I wish everyone here well and hope you are all safe.
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Two Americas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 11:28 PM
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22. the illusion
Edited on Mon Jun-16-08 11:31 PM by Two Americas
A homeless camp challenges the illusion people have about their lives, and forces them to look at the reality. People respond with fear and anger to that challenge.

The illusion is that we all are, or could be, doing OK. The reality is that it takes two incomes to support the same life that one would support 40 years ago, and the reality is that half of the households are struggling along at $30,000 in annual income or less, and that only 10% are making a comfortable household income of $70,000 or more. The reality is that all of our "choices" are not choices at all - a car payment, a mortgage payment, insurance, a job.

Most of the people in the country are in a terrible soul-crushing trap and are hanging on by a thread. The variance between the reality and the illusion is something that people avoid. For those who are well-off, there is guilt and self-doubt involved. For those striving or hanging on, being forced to compare the reality to the illusion endangers their hope of "making it," their dreams and their sense of self-worth. For those who climbed out of poverty, there is deep resentment against those who have not, since in our modern cultural illusion one is rewarded for being good, and punished for being bad. For one to be permitted to climb out of poverty, one must admit that their poor self was bad and wrong, and their successful self is good and right. Of course, the exact opposite is true. People are rewarded for being greedy and selfish and anti-social and punished for being generous and sane and compassionate and self-sacrificing. Look around. We are seeing some sort of mass delusion of denial about this, and we take it very personally because we imagine our very survival to depend upon hanging on tightly to the cultural illusion. "Don't think negative thoughts, or the monster under the bed (the universe, or something) will eat you." Any observation of reality or expression of the truth is seen as a "negative thought" if it contradicts the illusion.

"I did it, why can't they?"

"I earned everything I have, and shouldn't feel guilty for it."

"They are poor and homeless because they want to be, because they like it."

"We tried to help them, but they would not accept our help."

"They are addicts, or mentally ill."

"There are resources available, so there is no excuse for those people."

"Whether we like it or not, this is the reality."

"If you put positive energy out into the universe, abundance will appear."

"Those people made their choices, and they need to take responsibility for themselves."

Which side of the cognitive dissonance divide are those statements from? The reality that people are desperately trying to bury, or the illusion that people are desperately trying to promote and protect?

The worse that things get, the more people will insist that they are OK. Facing that things are not OK invalidates the foundation of their lives and their identity. Anything that contradicts the narrative of the illusion must be viciously attacked and eradicated. We see that play out right here everyday.
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Trillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 02:29 PM
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24. "collective misrecognition"
A particular series of paragraphs jumped off the page from Without Housing (PDF) when I read it last night:


The influential sociologist, Pierre Bourdieu, referred to mass social deceptions, somewhat similar to the one surrounding homelessness in the United States, as “collective misrecognition.”83 This deception involves misrecognition of reality which is so grand, and which encompasses so many people, that no specific individuals are responsible for intentionally creating the deception. Although the deception does serve to benefit some groups within society over others, it is not simply a conscious conspiracy. Rather, it is a deception so deep that it has seeped into the very core assumptions and paradigms through which people see and understand the world.

The overwhelming omission of systemic and structural causes of homelessness in public discussions and public policy responses to homelessness in the United States is a collective deception that has involved thousands of policymakers, poverty “experts,” researchers, charity foundation staff, and journalists. This deception has been reinforced time and again in the authoritative texts of government-initiated studies about homelessness, and has been corroborated by private and academic researchers on the government payroll. It has been found in the columns of newspapers, in the content of TV and radio news shows, and on the covers of both popular magazines and academic journals. This deception can be heard in the halls of legislative chambers, in policy conferences, in the planning meetings of local commissions, and in passing conversations in communities throughout the United States.



Certainly, if there's enough money for the Fed to grant $30,000,000,000 in emergency corporate welfare to give Bear Stearns' non-embodied corpse to JPMorgan, there's enough money to give the homeless land and sovereignty and/or housing and some food or stipends, today. TODAY. Why not tomorrow? Because tomorrow never comes (it turns into 25 years, etc), and homeless folks need to eat and sleep today, just like all the rest of us.

When the financial system gets the jitters, $30 Billion is seemingly created quickly, out of thin air (Federal Reserve), like a lightning strike, at least from the publicly released timeline of corporate reporting. Perhaps it was discussed at more length quietly behind closed doors, but how would we, the public, know that? Yet, for the poor and homeless, 25 years can pass and nothing substantial is effected to solve the underlying problem, but they are successfully labeled as deficient during these years by various agents, which has the side effect of SCARING the rest of us, by the "example" made of them, into working harder and longer for less.

We don't WANT to be so labeled by others! The homeless FEEL the same way, they're humans just like the rest of us, we're not particularly different from each other! A number of them have jobs and are working, but the pay is so low and housing costs so high that they must 'sleep on public land' wherever they can find such a place.

For just a financial comparison: using simple figures of 30B (said to be JPMorgan's recent corporate welfare) divided by the cost of a typical house (full retail) of ~$250,000 buys about 120,000 existing homes and yards! Building new housing, perhaps a different, less expensive kind than the 3 bedroom, 2 bath wood-frame standard, should be effected for that kind of money to avoid displacing existing housing's residents.

Homeless people are quite industrious (just like us!), reportedly they build encampments and make-do structures behind bamboo and bushes. Let me repeat that. They have built their own dwelling places, which when discovered, authorities then destroy. Sounds to me like if the government were to grant some "reservation lands" to the chronic homeless so inclined (to live where they could be 'left in peace' by the authorities) then they would likely start building their own little communities. Would they be poor dwellings? Likely so, but maybe some would find Nadir Kahlili's emergency shelter building techniques which are less costly to build, but aren't "poor" at all, quite the opposite (I've been inside them, they're nice!):
To build simple emergency and safe structures in our backyards, to give us maximum safety with minimum environmental impact, we must choose natural materials and, like nature itself, build with minimum materials to create maximum space, like a beehive or a sea shell. The strongest structures in nature which work in tune with gravity, friction, minimum exposure and maximum compression, are arches, domes and vault forms. And they can be easily learned and utilize the most available material on earth: Earth." - Nader Khalili

http://www.calearth.org.nyud.net:8090/EmergencyShelter/UNRefugeeCampMed.jpg
(see http://www.calearth.org/EmergencyShelter/eshelter.html) and, with enough legal sovereignty, they'd be allowed to build those on their own "reservation lands". Maybe some would figure out how to plant a small farm (if they have water supplies, which they would need) to grow some of their own food. Perhaps some bags of concrete and barbed wire (part of Nadir's construction technique) and "endless tube-type sandbags" could be part of a government stipend (From the semi-private Federal Reserve? They don't hesitate for a moment to help their wealthy buddies), land or earth has most of the rest of the structure's materials.

Or, new subsidized housing could be built for them in existing communities. This would create a lot of construction jobs, though there is certainly some fat there. Just like the fat given to JPMorgan. However, this fat would start circulating in local economies, hardware and building suppliers at first, but also grocery and clothing stores, and on and on....

Myself, I like the reservation land and limited sovereignty paradigm, because it's been done before, and because there are some chronic homeless who may accept.
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Two Americas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 05:38 PM
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29. is there enough money?
Money - the value that money represents - does not come from the government, the banks, Wall Street, or corporations. The value comes from us.

This idea that people have that "we" can't afford to take care of our people - who is that "we" being referred to, by the way? - is nonsense. As it is, the people are supporting and taking care of the wealthy and powerful few, in an obscenely lavish style, who are not producing anything of value, but rather like vampires are sucking the wealth out of the people.

Every teacher, small farmer, nurse - just for starters to name a few of the professions people choose in order to dedicate themselves to the welfare of others as opposed to feathering their own nest, and who are producing things or performing services of real value - deserves an immediate doubling of their pay and restitution for back pay of a mid-six-figures range. Every homeless person deserves permanent quality housing for life starting right now. Where does that money "come from?" From those who stole it in the first place. Every child deserves food, housing, and an equal opportunity at education - right now, no exceptions, no excuses. Every person in the country deserves full access to medical care.

There are no barriers to any of those. The economy won't collapse, Pol Pot or Stalin won't take over the country, people will not turn into lazy parasites, our precious bodily fluids will not be drained from us by the Bolsheviks, our brains will not be washed, we will not be turned into robots - nothing terrible will happen.

Were we making the argument I am making here, not a one of us would ever lose a debate with a right winger or even work up a sweat, and hardly anyone in the country would oppose it or ever vote Republican.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 08:44 PM
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31. "mass social deceptions, " OMG! I missed this completely...
This is DI-NO-MITE.

I can't understand why this isn't a HUGE topic of discussion!

I'm copying this... :applause:

You're great for bringing all this to our attention!

:yourock:
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Two Americas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 11:44 PM
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39. an important point you make
"...which has the side effect of SCARING the rest of us, by the "example" made of them, into working harder and longer for less."

Many people are saturnine and apathetic about the emergency in which we find ourselves, saying that things are not that bad, that we shouldn't be alarmists and that the erosion of our liberties and the growth of the police state is vastly exaggerated. They look out their window, see no storm troopers or tanks, and have no day-to-day sense of living under tyranny, so mock and ridicule those who have seen what it is like outside of the privileged bubble.

They are ignoring the fact that 833,000 people have been rounded up over the last couple of years, denied all rights, held in detention indefinitely and incommunicado. They ignore that this state does torture people, is guilty of war crimes. They ignore the fact that every day agents of the state seize property without due cause, enter homes without warrants, and monitor our communications. Everything that one would expect to see in a police state, and that would tell us that we are in a dire emergency, is in fact happening - daily, and it is massive and widespread.

It is, however, especially for the privileged few, benign and can be easily dismissed. People imagine that they can say what they like, go where they like, do what they like.

But of course, why would the state use storm troopers and tanks when the population can be more easily controlled than that? The notion that we have freedom is an illusion. We only have freedom so long as we do not step out of line and so long as we do not stumble and fall. So long as we comply, we have a chance of being left alone. That is no freedom at all, by any analysis.

We have been scared into servitude. The poor have no rights, and the only way to stay out of poverty is increasingly to submit and comply with a state that is only protecting the interests of the wealthy and powerful few.


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Trillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 02:29 PM
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40. Yes. It is hard to swallow that truth.
That the very presumptions that have underlain our lives since childhood were a massive deception. If the state can get the children early enough, the indoctrination can begin, and if the parents were indoctrinated themselves and laboring under the same misrecognitions, so much the better.

"He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures."

If perpetual war is created, ala Orwell's 1984, then the legislature would agree, no? Along with expanded Executive Privilege, due to wartime powers granted a president. The Military Industrial Complex as a whole would benefit.

For protecting them, by a mock Trial, from Punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:

Building housing for the poor and homeless is a much better use of resources than building so many warships and missiles to spread our illusions to others.

From Without Housing (PDF), emphasis added by me

The last 25 years have seen a massive increase in military spending as the military industrial complex has grown in strength and power.93 The United States is without question the mightiest economic and military power on the planet. Consider the US Navy, which currently has well over 400 vessels and over 2300 aircraft in its fleet, including approximately 180 warships and submarines.94 This force is greater than any other naval power in the world.95 The US Navy’s current fleet of AEGIS destroyers alone (47, with 14 more authorized), carrying nuclear-capable missiles, has the capacity to simultaneously blow up the fifty largest cities in the world.96 With dozens of destroyers and attack submarines in our fleet, with many hundreds of fighter jets in the air, one less destroyer (out of 12 more requested), a few less fighters (out of 179 more requested), or one less submarine (out of 30 more requested) will not jeopardize our homeland security, and will not leave us vulnerable to attack by any military power.97 Yet we continue to build up our arsenal in order to maintain supremacy over the rest of the world, at the expense of those who are forced to live on our own streets. The US government plans to spend more money on one destroyer than it spent on all 2005 capital expenses for public housing; more on ten F-22 fighter jets than on all 2005 operating expenses for public housing; and twice as much on a single submarine than on all 2005 McKinney-Vento Act homeless assistance.


I, too, have been deceived, for many years, and it makes me angry. I didn't connect the dots that the homeless problem swelled at the same time Regean was wanting an 800-ship U.S. Navy, nor connect the dots to swellling homelessness when telling us we'd have to "cinch up our belts" (possible paraphrase, from memory of Reagan on TV). I'd heard that cliche, indeed those precise words so many times before, that I thought, same old story, work harder for less.

Under the First Amendment proposition (this OP) and my superficial understanding of the Amendment, Federal Lands are where the homeless should be allowed to encamp, because the First Amendment doesn't prevent local and state governments, only Congress, from making such laws, laws against rights to petition by "showing" for redress of grievances. But where are those lands? About 30% of the U.S. Land area is reportedly owned by the U.S. Government.

That's another reason why the reservation concept seems doable. Whether Homeless advocates can successfully argue that local laws against camping are First Amendment violations is unknown to me. I've read from time to time that some courts have upheld anti-camping ordinances, even on private church property in cities. I seem to recall one such news item in El Cajon (20 minutes east of San Diego) some years back (maybe only a few). People allegedly objected to the many tents, for homeless folks, in the Church's 'private' yard.

A "Reservation" for homeless folks that want it, granted from U.S. owned land, with limited sovereignty, and some survival stipends, would seem one possible solution.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-20-08 11:35 AM
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42. You keep putting out more and more important facts.
I've now included your figures on the budget (a moral document?) in my talk for tonight. There will undoubtedly be some people there who think there's never enough military might, but maybe the figures will be stunning enough to wake some from their stupor.

Right now I'd welcome a "Sovereign Reservation". My Indian friends would probably consider that pitiful. The problem, of course, would be for those who have family and want to stay near them. But for the rest of us.... heck yeah!

I'm so glad you've posted all this... so much food for thought, and it's sad to me that the general DU population isn't being drawn into this. How to get that to happen?
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 07:40 AM
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23. Kick
forced assimilation into an artificial "civilization"
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 09:36 PM
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32. Happy to kick, but too late to recommend.
Well done. As one begins to examine our society one finds that most, if not all, of it is simply a collection of lies and that is hard to swallow.

I often think of us as adolescents. We have had reality hidden from us and we are ill-prepared to deal with it when it slaps us in the head. Our image has been carefully crafted for a specific purpose and has nothing to do with reality as it is. We still cling to childish "beliefs" that were instilled in us at an early age. Finally, we will, of necessity, be forced to confront that reality whether or not we are prepared for it.





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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 03:41 PM
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33. Kick and question?
This thread is amazing, I've not read through each post as yet, but aside from using the 1st amendment, wouldn't the 4th amendment regarding illegal seizure also be applicable in many cases?
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 05:27 PM
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34. Yes, it would. And I think that has been used. I remember a post about
belongings being kept for a homeless person whose car was taken.

Obviously, it needs to be taken further.

Legal advocacy for homeless people is a NECESSITY!

Try reading "Street Lawyer", by John Grisham. Stirring!

:hug:
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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 07:25 PM
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36. ooops!!
posted a reply to myself! see Thanks below! :pals:
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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 07:21 PM
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35. Thanks!
Love good books, is it one of his novels? :pals: :pals: :pals:
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 07:34 PM
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38. "Street Lawyer" by John Grisham
Yes, a novel.

The first one of his I read.

Gripping, and very telling about the state of legal protection for homeless people.

And justice for all....?

:loveya:
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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 09:03 PM
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41. If you suggest it
I'll read it!!:loveya:
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