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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-15-08 08:00 AM Original message |
A Malicious Prosecution in my Family |
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ck4829 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-15-08 08:09 AM Response to Original message |
1. Something does sound a bit odd about that |
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dems_rightnow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-15-08 08:15 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. It's pretty well-established |
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ck4829 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-15-08 08:30 AM Response to Reply #2 |
4. I don't think I ever said it was protected under the First Amendment |
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AmyDeLune (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-15-08 01:26 PM Response to Reply #4 |
23. According to an IT tech I know, there is no reason a tech should be looking at image files |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-15-08 07:43 PM Response to Reply #23 |
44. I didn't think of that |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-15-08 08:43 AM Response to Reply #2 |
7. The main question at issue here isn't whether or not there was a crime |
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dems_rightnow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-15-08 09:45 AM Response to Reply #7 |
9. I seriously have no idea. |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-15-08 09:56 AM Response to Reply #9 |
13. I'm just as guilty as my nephew is |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-15-08 09:54 AM Response to Reply #7 |
11. Self-delete -- wrong place |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-15-08 02:46 PM Response to Reply #2 |
26. First Amendment: What Jim's lawyer explained to me, and the USSC decision from the link in the OP |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 11:51 AM Response to Reply #1 |
71. A former state Attorney General should know not to hire prostitutes with |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-15-08 08:17 AM Response to Original message |
3. Thanks for sharing the story. What a nightmare. |
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Smarmie Doofus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-15-08 08:37 AM Response to Original message |
5. That's why it's a bad law: |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-15-08 09:34 AM Response to Reply #5 |
8. I've suggested to my nephew that he pursue a civil suit, and he's explored it with his lawyer |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-15-08 10:05 AM Response to Reply #8 |
15. Since we know kiddie porn was present, it's not malicious prosecution. |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-15-08 11:37 AM Response to Reply #15 |
22. I don't understand why the fact that a crime has been committed immunizes |
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Joe Chi Minh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-15-08 06:28 PM Response to Reply #8 |
39. Good. I agree with your "take" on it on all counts, and understand |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 07:17 AM Response to Reply #39 |
66. The venal prosecutor simply showed no interest in even considering any other possibility |
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Joe Chi Minh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 11:10 AM Response to Reply #66 |
68. I found FarceOf Nature's post interesting, but not persuasive. |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 11:24 AM Response to Reply #68 |
69. Our gulag-archipelago |
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Joe Chi Minh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 11:41 AM Response to Reply #69 |
70. It wouldn't be at all practicable, Tfc! It certainly is the road to hell, |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 11:52 AM Response to Reply #70 |
72. I'm afraid it's true that our country is going to hell now. |
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Joe Chi Minh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 12:49 PM Response to Reply #72 |
75. I was kidding about the 'y' chromosome, and I understood your point. |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 08:09 PM Response to Reply #75 |
78. It's a subject of which I have very little understanding |
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Joe Chi Minh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-17-08 12:42 PM Response to Reply #78 |
89. Not at all. By a strange coincidence, after signing off yesterday, I found myself |
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MiniMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-15-08 08:41 AM Response to Original message |
6. It sounds like one of those chain of evidence problems |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-15-08 09:49 AM Response to Reply #6 |
10. I think it's far more than a chain of evidence issue |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-15-08 09:56 AM Response to Original message |
12. The $300 for record expungement is CHEAP. |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-15-08 10:08 AM Response to Reply #12 |
16. My problem with the expungement of the records is not so much the price |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-15-08 10:14 AM Response to Reply #16 |
18. Somebody at that company has found an easy way to cover |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-15-08 05:38 PM Response to Reply #18 |
37. I think that's probably a good idea |
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Viva_La_Revolution (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-15-08 06:52 PM Response to Reply #16 |
40. He can avoid paying that by doing it himself.... |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-15-08 07:07 PM Response to Reply #40 |
42. Ahhhhhhhhhh. Thank you. |
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acmavm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-15-08 10:30 AM Response to Reply #12 |
20. Very valid point made here. It's the same theory that guides this admin. |
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bertman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-15-08 10:04 AM Response to Original message |
14. I'm sorry for Jim's and your tragic involvement in this mess. |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-15-08 07:37 PM Response to Reply #14 |
43. I agree -- They should be held accountable for these things |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-15-08 10:11 AM Response to Original message |
17. Welcome to life in the fourth reich. |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-15-08 10:21 AM Response to Reply #17 |
19. This law reminds me very much of drug possession laws |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-15-08 11:04 AM Response to Original message |
21. Sounds like the defense lawyer did ok - and maybe he thought he had the |
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rebel with a cause (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-15-08 01:36 PM Response to Original message |
24. Don't take this the wrong way, but I am going to look at the case |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-15-08 02:31 PM Response to Reply #24 |
25. I agree with all you say here, except for one thing |
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rebel with a cause (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-15-08 02:56 PM Response to Reply #25 |
28. Person who have these porn sites often know how many |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-15-08 04:00 PM Response to Reply #28 |
30. Ok, let's say that whoever took the pictures knows how many times their sites are downloaded |
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rebel with a cause (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-15-08 04:42 PM Response to Reply #30 |
32. We will have to agree to disagree about the pictures |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-15-08 05:10 PM Response to Reply #32 |
34. That's ok |
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bkscribe (16 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-15-08 10:56 PM Response to Reply #30 |
55. important |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 12:11 AM Response to Reply #55 |
58. It's just a guess |
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bkscribe (16 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 01:01 PM Response to Reply #58 |
76. Stick to your point then. |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 08:25 PM Response to Reply #76 |
79. I have more than one point that I've discussed in this post and think is important |
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northernlights (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-15-08 03:19 PM Response to Reply #25 |
29. owning kiddie porn... |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-15-08 04:09 PM Response to Reply #29 |
31. I would answer your first paragraph by referring you to my last paragraph of post # 30 |
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Runcible Spoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 04:59 AM Response to Reply #31 |
61. I tend to agree with you. |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 07:04 AM Response to Reply #61 |
65. Thank you for all that information |
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Runcible Spoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 03:58 AM Response to Reply #29 |
60. The real danger of the internet is not in the images themselves but the communities created online.. |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-15-08 02:55 PM Response to Original message |
27. You ask: Shouldn’t a competent defense attorney have gotten this case dismissed for lack of probable |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-15-08 06:08 PM Response to Reply #27 |
38. I'm very glad |
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Vinca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-15-08 05:02 PM Response to Original message |
33. I think it would have been more helpful to the case if, when you got |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-15-08 05:17 PM Response to Reply #33 |
36. That may be a good point |
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barbtries (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-15-08 05:16 PM Response to Original message |
35. you'd think the prosecutor |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-15-08 08:56 PM Response to Reply #35 |
49. Thank you. |
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DRoseDARs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-15-08 07:07 PM Response to Original message |
41. Someone should look into whether Restronics has a sweetheart deal with police to "catch" people... |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-15-08 09:24 PM Response to Reply #41 |
53. I hadn't thought of that |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-15-08 08:02 PM Response to Original message |
45. blank check |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-15-08 08:46 PM Response to Reply #45 |
47. Very good points -- That's what I feel so uncomfortable about this law |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-15-08 08:59 PM Response to Reply #47 |
50. my guess |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-15-08 09:51 PM Response to Reply #50 |
54. That's a scary thought |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-15-08 11:05 PM Response to Reply #54 |
56. all speculation of course |
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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-15-08 08:46 PM Response to Original message |
46. Sounds like you were set up. Mabe for political reasons. Are you a DEM? |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-15-08 08:50 PM Response to Reply #46 |
48. Yes, I'm a Dem, but it wasn't me that they went after, it was my nephew |
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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-15-08 09:06 PM Response to Reply #48 |
51. Did it disrupt your life? Can you claim you were targeted? |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-15-08 09:23 PM Response to Reply #51 |
52. It sure as hell disrupted my nephew's life |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 12:06 AM Response to Original message |
57. My .02. |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 02:20 AM Response to Reply #57 |
59. "If the state in question depends upon the control issue, and the images were in Jim's computer |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 05:47 AM Response to Reply #59 |
64. Because it is Jim's computer. |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 07:25 AM Response to Reply #64 |
67. The God damned prosecution didn't even take the time to get a computer expert |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 12:25 PM Response to Reply #67 |
73. Couple things |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 02:41 PM Response to Reply #73 |
77. It's hard to be calm about this after this prosecutor so callously destroyed several months of my |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-17-08 04:32 AM Response to Reply #77 |
81. I understand your emotions. |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-17-08 09:12 AM Response to Reply #81 |
88. Thank you for your input |
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Occulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 12:45 PM Response to Reply #64 |
74. It does seem odd, doesn't it? |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-17-08 04:35 AM Response to Reply #74 |
82. Indeed. |
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Runcible Spoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 05:04 AM Response to Reply #57 |
62. absolutely agree with you, and posted my thoughts RE: dubious justifications for prosecution..... |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 05:42 AM Response to Reply #62 |
63. Exactly. It's hard to determine a causal relationship. |
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Joe Chi Minh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-17-08 01:19 PM Response to Reply #62 |
90. In those circumstances, I don't think they are dubious justifications, |
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tsuki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-16-08 09:36 PM Response to Original message |
80. I have thought hard about answering because you have no remedy. |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-17-08 09:06 AM Response to Reply #80 |
85. Thank you for the advice. Jim will take a look at this. |
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tsuki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-17-08 04:09 PM Response to Reply #85 |
93. Don't thank me. I brought a lot of grief down on me. There is nothing |
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readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-17-08 05:22 AM Response to Original message |
83. The reality is that this has nothing to do with kiddie porn or pedophilia. |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-17-08 09:10 AM Response to Reply #83 |
86. Thank you -- Those were some of my thoughts |
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live love laugh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-17-08 05:57 AM Response to Original message |
84. I have a dear friend undergoing a really unfair trial with the justice system. |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-17-08 09:11 AM Response to Reply #84 |
87. Yeah, just look at Guantanamo Bay |
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poliscifanboy (36 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-17-08 01:54 PM Response to Original message |
91. Is there any way to link this to Bush? |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-17-08 02:06 PM Response to Original message |
92. I would talk to another lawyer about the possibility of going after Restronics, |
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mdmc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-17-08 04:14 PM Response to Original message |
94. recently a kiddie porn case was tossed out cause the pics came |
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