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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 12:37 AM
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How many have a deep subconscious fear that Bush will do something...
horrendous and illegal before he leaves the White House? Either he will bomb Iran or he will encourage the Israelis to do so? Furthermore, that is what his trip to Europe has been about? If he can get just one leader to go along with him, he may actually do something very dangerous and fool-hardy?

Does anyone believe that he will simply bide his time until January 20th, 2009? He believes his entire "legacy" is at stake. His entire Presidency has been built around 9/11 and the war on terrorism that followed. He would like to kill Bin Laden or he would like to leave such a mess in Iraq and Iran that the next President will find it impossible to withdraw. He would consider that a success if he could create the conditions whereby the next President will have no choice but to continue his disastrous and failed policy.

In the interim, many American citizens are holding their breath in hopes that Bush will do nothing foolish. It is scary because he not only has the capacity to do it but he also has the inclination. Many citizens are doubly fearful because they know they cannot rely on the Congress to do its job and uphold its responsibility to oversee this criminally-minded White House. All we have left is hope. We hope we can make it 7 more months...
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 12:40 AM
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1. I believe he will attempt to interfere with the election or do serious destruction...
....before he leaves - yes. He's a criminal psychopath. And his minions will never cross him - lest they be subject to the bu$h Crime Family's revenge/vengeance. THAT is how psychopathic criminals get away with their shit. People are scared to cross them - lest they be destroyed.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 12:40 AM
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2. If he tries something, I think he'll be thwarted. nt
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alittlelark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 12:40 AM
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3. I do.... I hope I'm just paranoid...
I really do.
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sutz12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 12:42 AM
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4. Me, too. On both counts.
:scared:
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 12:44 AM
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8. OT --
DId the Hawks win the championship? How did I miss that?

:woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::woohoo:
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 12:42 AM
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5. you're assuming he's leaving?
I'm not.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 12:44 AM
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7. You are not alone with those thoughts...
He will do whatever he can get away with.
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Brigid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 01:25 AM
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23. I've thought of this too.
Edited on Sun Jun-15-08 01:25 AM by Brigid
But at that time he would be in violation of the law in a way that can at last be dealt with. He can be arrested and actually be chargedwith a crime he can't hide.

I would just love to see that! Maybe footage on all the news channels of him being physically removed by a detachment of Marines? :rofl:
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galledgoblin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 12:44 AM
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6. my fear isn't subconsious... (n/t)
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 12:47 AM
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10. I do understand.
It is real and is in all your waking moments.
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man4allcats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 12:46 AM
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9. I have a deep subconscious fear that Bush
will continue to breathe at least until next January. While he is alive and in office, he is dangerous to this country and to the rest of the world.

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Sheets of Easter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 12:49 AM
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11. I don't. I'm tired of being fearmongered to, by all sides.
I think he will ride off to Crawford with nary a consequence (for himself). The damage is done, and the money is made.

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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 06:41 AM
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30. I hear that.
November can't come quickly enough.
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 12:51 AM
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12. Not so deep, and not so subconscious.
My husband, in fact, is sure of it. I'm hoping against hope that he's wrong.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 12:53 AM
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13. It's real because...
we have seen for over 7 years that he is an irrational and unpredictable person, capable of doing anything.
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Mind_your_head Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 12:58 AM
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14. Never fear! We 'underdogs' are here!
to keep that geriatric piece of puss/useless 'eater' * from causing further harm.
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 01:05 AM
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15. Cheney would no doubt, but I think Junior
is more worried these days about his "legacy" and running around kissing everybody's ass so they don't piss on his grave.
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Mind_your_head Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 01:11 AM
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20. 'Junior;' is Cheney's "butt-boy"
it's has been VERY obvious....for a long time.
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 10:54 AM
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39. True, but he's the prez and you better believe he knows it.
He can say no when he wants to.
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Tresalisa Donating Member (537 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 01:05 AM
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16. My opinion is that he cannot wait to be an ex-President,
and go back to his ranch in Texas. I just wish it would have happened four years ago and we were excited and working towards re-electing President John Kerry to his second term.

Wouldn't it have been great to have gotten to sit back and watch the Repugs fight it out instead of having our side going after each other tooth and nail! :D
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 01:07 AM
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17. bush? Nope. He does nothing....
now, cheney? There is nothing he wouldn't do.
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chknltl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 01:07 AM
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18. Would you feel secure allowing a child to keep a book of matches?
Nor should you feel secure with bush controlling the greatest military might and the most destructive nuclear arsenal this planet has ever seen. I am quite sure that the good citizens of Tehran would agree that you and I should see to it that his 'toys' are taken away from him. I suspect that most of the citizens of this world would like to see this psychopath removed from power. Impeachment IS an option....
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Kool Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 01:07 AM
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19. He has already done horrendous and illegal things.
Edited on Sun Jun-15-08 01:07 AM by Kool Kitty
I do wonder what he has up his sleeve for a finale. :scared:
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 01:17 AM
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21. Before her assassination, Bhutto was quoted as saying to the press taht
that Bin Laden was dead.

This seems to be common knowledge in the Far East.
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jakem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 06:57 AM
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32. That seems like a reasonable guess-

Dialysis in a cave can only work out for so long....
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 02:22 PM
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46. Here's two YouTube's - one is serious abt the topic
The other is musical and makes fun of Bush


Bhutto's Interview with David Frost (serious interview)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1uLdmct8_E&feature=related


Pokes fun at Bush with clips from the above interview
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zScYmvmANcA
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 10:37 AM
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37. If that is true...?
and Bin Laden is already dead, then Bush & Co. only have to figure out a way to kill him again and take credit for it. After all, Bush said a few years ago that Bin Laden was of no concern to him..?
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 01:46 PM
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44. Whereas Saddam Hussein had look alikes who were paid to substitute for him
Edited on Sun Jun-15-08 01:55 PM by truedelphi
Bin Laden is an anomaly - a six ft seven inch guy who needs dialysis.

Don't know how they can kill him twice. A bombing raid that incinerates the bones??
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 01:50 PM
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45. But they have ways of getting and disseminating information...
that we do not have. Perhaps they already know that he is dead? They are only waiting on the right time to make it public. They have been bombing in Pakistan the last few days. Yeah, that's the ticket! He was killed along with some of his supporters when we bombed way back in June.
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 01:23 AM
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22. Do you remember when Bush...
...was ramping up the Iran rhetoric several months ago?

He was talking tough, and some Democrats and Republicans chimed in to agree with him
about how serious a threat, Iran was.

Very soon after Bush's theatrics, there was an intelligence report issued. I believe
it was from the CIA. This report clearly stated that Iran was many years away from
having a nuclear bomb, and that there was no evidence that they were making a bomb.

I really believe that BushCo is a powerful, evil, crime family. However, I also
feel that there are good and powerful forces who have had it with their thuggery.
No longer are they acting as bystanders as these thugs start more lie-based wars.

I think that intelligence report was a signal that there are forces at work who
will fight the neocons.

I think these assholes are done with this chapter of destruction. They may be
back for another round. But for now, they've been defeated.

The neocons have folded their Website.

It really is a new day in America. As it stands now, the neocons lack the power
to move their putrid agenda forward.

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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 01:27 AM
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24. I think that Obama can handle any mess Bush leaves behind.
Obama seems to be emotionally pretty unshakable. He is a feet-on-the-ground kind of guy. Obama also does not seem to have an exaggeratedly positive view of himself. He seems much less megalomaniac than McCain or any of the presidents since Truman. Only maybe Ford was similarly humble.
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Benhurst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 06:51 AM
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31. Obama projects humility; but seeking the presidency after only two years
in the Senate and none in the House hardly reflects it. Both Truman and Ford were thrust by circumstances beyond their control into the White House, they didn't actively seek it.

Obama does seem to have his feet on the ground, though. But maintaining one's balance in the isolated and sycophantic atmosphere of the White House is difficult, if not impossible.

My greatest fear is based on the short attention span and impatience of the American people. The problems Bush and company have created will take a generation or more to correct. I can easily see the public turning on the next president, whether Obama or McCain, in short order, blaming him for not being able to accomplish a quick, painless fix.

Whoever gets the White House in January will probably serve only one term.

Fasten your seat belts, it's going to be a bumpy ride.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 01:29 AM
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25. The thought has certainly been in my head.
But I've spent my whole life feeling the other shoe is always about to drop. Sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't. We'll just have to wait and see.

"Scary times are never dull."
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 01:32 AM
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26. Israel will bomb Iran, and Bushler will find (the pre-frozen body of) Osama Bin Laden.
Then he'll try to install McNuts as the next war pretzeldent cuz.... then WWIII.

Any other questions?




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rumpel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 01:34 AM
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27. to be honest kentuck
I think he does not have the guts, he never had any guts..

they've looted the country "mission accomplished" never to be tied to him, never to be found - or so they think.

All will be revealed. He's done, as much as he would not want to admit it. Finito.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 09:24 AM
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35. Since no one can know for sure, waiting and watching.
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pansypoo53219 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 01:35 AM
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28. georgee seems relieved it's almost over.
i worry far more about cheeney. tho georgee does like to make big fucking messes. gates is likely to keep it sane. i pray.
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Benhurst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 06:39 AM
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29. But ... But ... But ... We have Nancy Pelosi and our brave members of Congress
to protect us from any illegal or immoral acts on his part.

Sure we do.

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Golden Raisin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 09:15 AM
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33. There will be more dirty deeds from Bush/Cheney
before they leave --- if they leave. I could certainly see Iran being bombed or another large-scale domestic terrorist attack (genuine or stage-managed). As the election approaches they will try to (once again) ramp up Fear and Patriotic fervor.
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Rosemary2205 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 09:17 AM
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34. I have no doubt he's gonna go with a bang - but that's great by me
Edited on Sun Jun-15-08 09:17 AM by Rosemary2205
at least he'll fucking LEAVE. Not so long ago I wondered if he'd even do THAT.



edit - typo
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 09:29 AM
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36. Subconscious fear? I'd call it rational thinking.
Bu*h has proven time and time again that he will push the limits of whatever nefarious actions that he can get away with in order to further the fascist agenda.
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 10:44 AM
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38. To me I see they have no choice but to try to hang on to the power
Theres been lots of illegal shit done by this treasonous criminal crew to ever let them walk as free men/women again. You know they have to be thinking that also and thats all it will take for them to do whatever it takes to remain in power. My prediction is they will try but with the new empowerment that our Candidate is giving us we will be up to the task of stopping them cold, just let 'm make the next step. I have a good feeling about this one.
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varelse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 10:55 AM
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40. I do
it wouldn't be the first time. There's just no reason to think he'd suddenly stop flouting the highest law of the land NOW, after 7 years of ignoring it or shitting on it (and on us).
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IDemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 11:14 AM
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41. Would it really be "subconscious" if you're fully aware of it?
Edited on Sun Jun-15-08 11:16 AM by IDemo
I get what you're saying, though.

My thoughts: Israel will launch an attack against Iranian nuclear facilities this Fall whether or not the rest of the world is "on board". This will serve as the doorway for additional attacks by the US, sparking loud condemnation from the rest of the world and a collapse of the situation on the ground in Iraq as the Arab world reacts to still another criminal Bush war. Oil will top $200/barrel and the economy will take another swan dive (in mid cliff dive already).

As much as the fear exists here, the election will not be canceled, and McCain won't be swept in in a sudden rush of war-fever patriotism. Those days are gone. Obama will have the mess to deal with while the repubs look on with Cheshire Cat grins.
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Individualist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 11:16 AM
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42. Conscious fear, not subconscious.
The cabal is capable of anything.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 11:21 AM
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43. I think some folks are consciously fearful...
and others are subconsciously fearful. Those that are conscious of their fear understand what has happened in the last 7 1/2 years and understand that this White House is capable of anything. A few folks, like those that believe Obama is a Muslim, probably have subconscious fears but need a small needle stabbed into their brain stems from time to time...
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