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rudy23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-05-07 04:22 PM
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The Libby jury--hung like John Holmes
I have no doubt, especially since they've asked for the dictionary definition of "reasonable doubt", that there's a lone wingnut holdout.

As someone said on firedoglake, that question just smacks of "Will someone explain to this a**hole that reasonable doubt isn't the same thing as 'humanly possible'?"

This is too important for Bushco not to have tried to stack the jury. I'm not thrilled about Fitz letting the Moonie Times reporter on.

I can see this as clearly as the '00 and '04 elections. A new Katherine Harris is probably being born right this second.
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-05-07 04:24 PM
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1. Yes, but on how many counts?
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Casandra Donating Member (270 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-05-07 04:25 PM
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2. Maybe-Maybe
Perhaps there are jurors (or juror in the singular) who want to know why Libby is up there and Cheney isn't! I can only speculate, but myself as a juror would be wanting to know this... Maybe it's felt the case is 'half baked'...and the other half that will 'cook it' is running around unfettered. Just an idea..

Yes, I think it's hung too!!
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-05-07 04:27 PM
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3. Who's John Holmes?
:evilgrin:
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PCIntern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-05-07 04:35 PM
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6. Google "John Holmes" and "Johnny Wadd" together...n/t
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jollyreaper2112 Donating Member (955 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-05-07 04:42 PM
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9. nsfw
but not from work
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Cass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-05-07 04:29 PM
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4. I hope you are wrong, but I am thinking you have this one pegged.
:-(
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-05-07 04:31 PM
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5. Well, there will have to be an Allen charge if they are really hung.
That hasn't happened yet, has it?
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Beausoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-05-07 04:40 PM
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7. No Allen charge yet. Jury just sent another note this afternoon.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-05-07 04:43 PM
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11. I saw that on FDL....there probably is a jerk on the panel.
I say sequester the bastards, myself. That usually speeds up the process, and prevents a recalcitrant juror from covertly meeting a defense operative behind the rose bush in the back yard...
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-05-07 04:40 PM
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8. Sadly this is all possible.
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Hamlette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-05-07 04:42 PM
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10. I was a public defender for years, the request to define reasonable doubt is not unusual
I had several juries request a defintion (actually they would ask for additional infor on the definition since jury instructions often (always?) include a definition.

I don't read anything into it.
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-05-07 04:43 PM
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12. Thank you.
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-05-07 04:54 PM
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13. How does this theory hit you:
They might be having trouble with the obstruction charge because the prosecution has admitted to being unable to prove the crime for which the alleged obstruction was committed.

In other words, maybe the jurors were able to apply the (reasonable doubt) standard to the charges of false statements and perjury, but are getting hung up on the obstruction.

If so, that would seem to be a good thing, particularly since they've been at this a while and perhaps came to agreement on some of the charges by now.
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rudy23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-05-07 05:07 PM
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15. The request isn't what scares me. That it's coming after 8 days is what scares me nt
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shain from kane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-05-07 05:00 PM
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14. Do you mean it will be on exhibit at the Smithsonian Museum?
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