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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-05-07 12:44 PM
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Kucinich touts 'Medicare for all' plan
Kucinich touts 'Medicare for all' plan

http://www.unionleader.com/article.aspx?headline=Kucini...

By BENJAMIN KEPPLE
New Hampshire Union Leader Staff
12 hours, 33 minutes ago

MANCHESTER

U.S. Rep. Dennis Kucinich, an Ohio Democrat running for his party's Presidential nomination, focused
yesterday on the nation's health-care system and the war in Iraq as he wrapped up his third campaign
trip to New Hampshire.

Kucinich , received just 1 percent of the vote in the 2004 New Hampshire primary. This time around,
though, he is doing things differently. He has been traveling early and often to the Granite State,
and has been more aggressive in differentiating his views from those of the race's front-runners.

"My candidacy challenges the Democratic Party and gives the people of New Hampshire someone to vote
for who doesn't have any strings attached," said Kucinich, who yesterday morning spoke to a small
group of supporters at the Merrimack Restaurant on Elm Street.

Kucinich, a former mayor of Cleveland, touched on other issues during breakfast, such as calling for
incentives to boost production of wind- and solar-energy technology, and pushing for full employment
in the economy.

But health care and Iraq were the major issues of conversation.

On health care, Kucinich touted his plan for a single-payer health-care system, which he described
as "Medicare for all." The plan would be entirely government-funded, and would be paid for through
a variety of already-existing levies and a new 7.7 percent employer payroll tax.

The thinking behind the plan, according to Kucinich, is that it will remove private insurers and
their profits from the equation. He argued that would make health care cheaper and remove a burden
from businesses and families.

And despite the new employer tax, Kucinich said, many small firms would likely do better paying
that than paying insurance premiums.

Kucinich charged his opponents in the race would talk about universal health care, but also talk
about a system that would protect private insurers.

"This issue is a fault line in the Democratic Party. The question is: Whose side are you on, the
side of the people or the side of the insurance companies? You can't be on both," Kucinich said.

Kucinich also took shots at his opponents - although he named no names - regarding the war in Iraq.
He criticized them for advocating peace while having initially voted for the war, and he also
criticized them for planning to vote for the war's continued funding.

Those shots, while indirect, were aimed at front-runners such as U.S. Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y.,
and U.S. Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill. They were also aimed at capitalizing on intense dissatisfaction
with the war among more liberal Democrats.

Kucinich's next return to New Hampshire is set for early April. He plans to attend several meetings
and take part in the April 5 debate among Democrats running for their party's nomination. The New
Hampshire Union Leader, CNN and WMUR-TV are sponsoring the debate, which will be hosted at St.
Anselm College.

Kucinich, who in total has spent nine days in New Hampshire and said on Saturday that he joined a
Concord food co-op, also said he'll return to campaign in New Hampshire as much as he possibly can.

"I'll be back," Kucinich said at the end of yesterday's event. "I'll be back often."


http://kucinich.us /

The Kucinich 12-Point Plan for Iraq
http://kucinich.us/iraqplan

:thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-05-07 12:46 PM
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1. Hurrah, about time!
at last, great idea!
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-05-07 12:46 PM
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2. oh wait....n/m
Edited on Mon Mar-05-07 12:47 PM by Roland99
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Mrspeeker Donating Member (671 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-05-07 12:46 PM
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3. yeap the only good one!
of course he actually cares about people in general and is not greedy.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-05-07 12:57 PM
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7. Did you see his Project Vote Smart test results?
2006 Congressional National Political Awareness Test
Issue Positions

Representative Dennis J. Kucinich (OH)
http://www.vote-smart.org/npat.php?can_id=BC032003

People should compare his answers with Sen. Clinton, Gov. Richardson, and Sen. Obama!!

Inbelievable!!!!

-----------------------

He does care about people!! I agree!! :)





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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-05-07 01:09 PM
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11. No comparison, is there?
:D
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-05-07 01:14 PM
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12. I was shocked!!
I'm still shocked!

LOL! There is no comparison! :)
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-05-07 06:13 PM
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33. Couldn't since both Clinton and Obama have repeatedly refused to answer
any of the questions on the NPAT.

Now why would any candidate for President refuse to answer basic questions about their stance on these issues?

I did find this chart comparing the various candidates based on their records, as opposed to what they say or imply. It sheds some light on the possible reasons for some candidates to refuse to respond to straightforward questions.

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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-05-07 06:24 PM
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38. Kucinich is the only Democrat on the chart!
Edited on Mon Mar-05-07 06:28 PM by Breeze54
OK. LMAO! Maybe not the only Dem but the chart is very telling!
Thanks!

COMPARISON CHART: PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES 2006
http://votepeace.info/printablecomparisonchart.html

ISSUE ----------------------- BIDEN -- CLINTON ---- DODD ---- EDWARDS -- KUCINICH -- OBAMA -- RICHARDSON

RESTRICT HABEAS CORPUS - SUPPORTS - SUPPORTS - SUPPORTS - SUPPORTS - OPPOSES - SUPPORTS - UNKNOWN
/USA-PATRIOT

ALL THE ABOVE INFORMATION IS AVAILABLE FROM OFFICIAL VOTING RECORDS (THOMAS) OR FROM SPEECHES

:wow:
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-05-07 06:34 PM
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41. Yet another of those WTF, OMG! moments.
Yes that's right sports fans, all of "our leading Democratic Presidential candidates" (with the possible exception of Governor Richardson who isn't officially running yet) favor the governments ability to lock up anyone for any, or no, reason whatsoever.

:wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow:
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-05-07 06:49 PM
Response to Reply #41
47. LOL! It is quite revealing!
:wow: times 100 is right!!! :rofl:

I just don't understand why people don't actually do comparisons of the candidates! :shrug:

It makes absolutely no sense!

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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-05-07 12:47 PM
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4. Good man. - n/t
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sutz12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-05-07 12:48 PM
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5. We could do this incrementally...
Start by lowering the age of eligibility to 50 (That covers me ;)). Add in every child under 15 or so.

Then lower the age by 5 or 10 years at a pop every 2 years or so and phase it in.
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-05-07 02:12 PM
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21. It's more cost efficient to do it all at once. Otherwise, it will appear to most
that it costs more and still doesn't benefit them.

I would think a phase in peroid of say 10 months would be about right. That way, people acually see results within a reletively quick time period.

Why should private health insureres be allowed to hold the American people hostage to their money cow?

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itsmesgd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-05-07 12:52 PM
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6. what a radical idea
Too bad that he's not sexy enough for the MSM.

k and r
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-05-07 01:28 PM
Response to Reply #6
14. why??? is Guilani sexy looking?
too bad we are more concerned about the packaging than the substance. excluding DU'ers
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-05-07 01:50 PM
Response to Reply #14
16. I agree
Thank God no one cared what Abe Lincoln looked like. What an awful generation to live in. :(
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-05-07 02:07 PM
Response to Reply #14
20. Seems to me like lots of DUers care about appearance...
or did I misread your comment?
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-05-07 02:00 PM
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19. His wife Elizabeth is beautiful!
Edited on Mon Mar-05-07 02:01 PM by Breeze54
Elizabeth Kucinich Introduces 9-10 Forum in NH


http://kucinich.us/node/2885

Click here for a transcript.
http://kucinich.us/node/2964

:applause: :applause:
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cyclezealot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-05-07 01:00 PM
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8. health care, trade, peace
no one else can compare. Without Kucinich my enthusism would be less enthusiatic.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-05-07 01:07 PM
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9. Get 'em on track, Dennis!
Stop the funding now!

NON PROFIT universal healthcare ONLY!

:woohoo:
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-05-07 01:08 PM
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10. K&R for a good man.
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-05-07 01:26 PM
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13. I only wish Kucinich would get more play, everything this man
says we want to happen, apparently the big boys are not going to let him play.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-05-07 01:40 PM
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15. Then we have to make it happen! Right?
;)

The MSM isn't going to decide for me. Ever!
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-05-07 01:50 PM
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17. the msm? that same MSM who is in the back pocket of this
filthy regime, they are as much to blame as this regime. Once the facts or complete honesty of news reporting is gone, we are gone as an electorate. Thank goodness for these progressive sites, no wonder the population is living in a delusional world.
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mikelgb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-05-07 01:58 PM
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18. this is one of my issues
kick
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area51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-05-07 02:23 PM
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22. I love Kucinich.
The republinazi party claims to be "pro-life", but D.K. actually advocates the true pro-life position -- single-payer, universal healthcare.


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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-05-07 02:26 PM
Response to Reply #22
23. He actually has integrity, unlike
many of the candidates!
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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-05-07 04:20 PM
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24. At least somebody is talking sense on this issue.
Mike Gavel is too, by the way. Of course none of the officially annointed 'series' candidates are allowed to propose the only viable solution to our healthcare crisis.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-05-07 04:24 PM
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25. Hasn't that been what they are doing?
:shrug: Or am I misunderstanding what you are saying? ;)

Of course none of the officially annointed 'series' candidates are allowed
to propose the only viable solution to our healthcare crisis.


Do you mean the 'unannointed' are being ignored?? lmao! I must need more coffee!

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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-05-07 04:35 PM
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26. Yes Kucinich is either ignored or ridiculed.
He is unannointed. He has the freedom to actually talk sense, but of course his candidacy is dead on arrival as he has been poisoned in the media as 'not a serious candidate'. Our system is corrupt beyond tolerance.
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fed-up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-05-07 05:11 PM
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27. kick/rec n/t
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-05-07 05:16 PM
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28. I like...
Medicare for all... people. But not for all treatments. Kucinich supports adding a lot of unfounded, unscientific "alternative" treatments to medicare.

Homeopathy and the like are as much "faith-based" science as creationism, and I don't want my government funding either of them.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-05-07 05:55 PM
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31. Do you have an example and a link?
Thanks! ;)
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-05-07 06:05 PM
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32. Yep!
http://kucinich.us/issues/universalhealth.php

"We must establish streamlined national health insurance, "Enhanced Medicare for Everyone." It would be publicly financed health care, privately delivered, and will put patients and doctors back in control of the system. Coverage will be more complete than private insurance plans; encourage prevention; and include prescription drugs, dental care, mental health care, and alternative and complementary medicine."
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AnOhioan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-05-07 06:22 PM
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37. Here is DK's statement on Alternative medicine
Complementary and alternative medicine are included in my Enhanced Medicare for All single-payer health care program. Opportunities that will advance medical care and expand the treatment options afforded to today's doctors will be given vast amounts of support.

I have great respect for allopathic practice, but at the same time, I think that you will find that allopathic practitioners who are candid will admit that there are limitations to their own practice.

I think that we are fully aware that the United States enjoys some of the most advanced health care in the world, yet we are unable to provide relief for a number of common ailments. The current standards of practice occasionally fail to recognize that medicine is an ancient art that encompasses all methods of healing. Somewhere along the road to advance medicine we sometimes forget that there are methods of treating those who need help. It's time to help widen the vision of modern medical doctrine and explore alternative medicine. We have to let go of the fear that alternative medical practices will replace and endanger standards and instead embrace the idea that any method that is proven a safe form of treatment ought to be available to the people.

American citizens have a right to health care ... we have a duty to ensure that they have every available proven treatment option. Complementary and alternative medical care encompasses numerous forms of studied and tested procedures and practices, and it is gaining support from mainstream medicine. Unfortunately, there is some unwillingness to support its practice and research. We must ensure non-prejudicial disbursement of research funds to all disciplines of medicine, including alternative medicine. We must utilize this research not only to educate practitioners and the public, but to provide them with access to proven methods of alternative medicine.

I hope to broaden our understanding of alternative medicine and to expose and end any bias that may exist within our current system of medical doctrine. All citizens deserve access to safe and proven methods of medical care and I believe that we must expand our understanding of medicine that some would deem, unfortunately, the alternative.

We have a wonderful opportunity to think creatively about health care; to think dynamically; to draw new worlds toward us, using a higher consciousness of the potential we have within us to make this a better world.



http://kucinich.us/issues/comp-alt_medicine.php

Frankly, I do not have a problem with alternative medicine. I have been to a chiropractor and have family members who go to acupuncturists. Too often, mainstream doctors have one recommendation, drugs or surgery. I will gladly explore alternatives to either of those.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-05-07 06:31 PM
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40. I think people should be free
to go get it if they want, but I don't want tax dollars going to it.

it's faith-based science.

As far as I'm concerned, there is no such thing as alternative medicine - if something is shown to work, it becomes part of medicine. If people can't prove their claims using the scientific method, then it's something else.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-05-07 06:44 PM
Response to Reply #40
44. Then why is it taught in medical & nursing schools?
:shrug:
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-05-07 06:57 PM
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49. You'd have to give specific examples
you can't just make a blanket claim like that. Doctors are not taught Reiki. Nurses are not taught psychic healing.

At least I hope not!
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-05-07 07:14 PM
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51. ok..here you go!
Hospitals & Health System Programs:

http://www.pitt.edu/~cbw/hospital.html

# Beth Israel Medical Center New York, New York: The Continuum Center for Health and Healing
# California Pacific Medical Center, San Francisco, California: The Institute for Health & Healing
# Children's Hospital of Boston Boston Medical Center, Massachusetts College of Pharmacy and Health Sciences HolisticKids.org: Pediatric Integrative Medicine Education Project : an educational resource for medical students on pediatric rotation, pediatric residents, fellows,
# Cleveland Clinic Center for Integrative Medicine, Cleveland, Ohio
# Columbia University, College of Physicians & Surgeon, The Richard and Hinda Rosenthal Center for Complementary & Alternative Medicine
# Courses on Complementary Medicine and Alternative Therapies (CAM) Taught At Conventional U.S. Medical Schools
# Dana Farber Cancer Institute, Boston, Massachussetts: Zakim Center for Integrated Therapies
# Duke University Health System, Durham, North Carolina: Duke Center for Integrative Medicine (DCIM)
# Evanston Northwestern Healthcare: Integrative Medicine, Evanston, Illinois
# Hackensack University Medical Center, Hackensack New Jersey: Complementary Medicine Program
# Maine Medical Center Family Practice Residency Program: Integrative Medicine: "is to design, implement, and evaluate an educational program in CAM and Integrative Medicine for our residents"
# Memorial Health University Medical Center, Savannah, Georgia: The Center for Holistic Healing "mind-body techniques to help people reduce stress, take charge of their overall health, and live more fulfilling lives."
# Memorial Sloane-Kettering Cancer Center New York, New York

* Information Resource: About Herbs, Botanicals & Other Products: "objective information for oncologists and healthcare professionals, including a clinical summary for each agent and details about constituents, adverse effects, interactions, and potential benefits or problems"
* Integrative Medicine

# Stanford Hospital & Clinics, Stanford, California: Stanford Center for Integrative Medicine
# Thomas Jefferson University Hospital, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania: Myrna Brind Center of Integrative Medicine, Jefferson Health System, Thomas Jefferson University Hospital
# University of Pittsburgh Medical Center , Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania

* Complementary Medicine News Bureau Archives
* UPMC Cancer Centers Integrative Medicine Program
* UPMC Center for Complementary Medicine: offers massage therapy including: Swedish, Shiatsu and reflexology; acupuncture; therapeutic touch; biofeedback; medical hypnosis; relaxation therapy.

# UTMB/University of Texas Medical Branch Integrative Medicine - UTMB Complementary and Alternative Medicine Project, Galveston, Texas
# University of Arizona Program in Integrative Medicine: "train physicians to be leaders in fostering the redesign of medical education to incorporate the philosophy of Integrative Medicine.
# University of Colorado Hospital, Denver, Colorado Center for Integrative Medicine
# University of Maryland, School of Medicine, Program in Complementary Medicine
# The University of Texas M. D. Anderson Cancer Center Complementary/Integrative Medicine
# University of Virginia, The Center for the Study of Complementary and Alternative Therapies (CSCAT)
# University of Wisconsin Hospital and Clinics, UW Health Integrative Medicine

----------------

Courses on Complementary Medicine and Alternative Therapies (CAM) Taught At Conventional U.S. Medical Schools
http://www.healthwwweb.com/courses.html
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-05-07 07:23 PM
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52. I'm sorry
a list of course titles doesn't really help. WHAT is being taught in these courses? Are they required? Do they actually teach the practice of these methods, or do they just describe them so that medical practitioners can be more aware of what their patients might be doing?

I think doctors SHOULD be educated on alternative therapies - not to practice them, but to understand what questions to ask, and what answers to provide.

I'm pretty sure no medical school is giving specialties in homeopathy, chiropractic, reiki, reflexology, psychic surgery, and the like.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-05-07 07:26 PM
Response to Reply #52
53. You asked if they were taught in conventional medical schools.
Edited on Mon Mar-05-07 07:27 PM by Breeze54
The answer is YES!!!

The list I posted are Hospitals and Medical schools!
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-05-07 07:27 PM
Response to Reply #53
54. Actually, no
I did not ask that.

But I made my point - I would oppose pseudo-science being funded by the government.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-05-07 07:29 PM
Response to Reply #54
55. No you didn't.
You just proved that you need to learn more and not focus on one or two therapies or alternatives.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-05-07 07:51 PM
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58. I don't think I proved anything...
I merely expressed my opinion that faith-based science is bad, regardless of the political persuasion of the person advocating it.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-05-07 07:34 PM
Response to Reply #54
56. You asked for examples !
MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts)
Mon Mar-05-07 06:57 PM
Response to Reply #44
49. You'd have to give specific examples

you can't just make a blanket claim like that.
Doctors are not taught Reiki. Nurses are not taught psychic healing.

At least I hope not!


But considering all the good things Kucinich is FOR; why would you worry
about a small part of a proposal that helps/may help people? :shrug:





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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-05-07 07:50 PM
Response to Reply #56
57. I did not ask if
alternative therapies were being taught in medical school. Somebody made the claim that they were and I asked for examples. Subtle for some, I understand.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-05-07 07:52 PM
Response to Reply #57
59. oh brother.....
:eyes:
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-05-07 07:55 PM
Response to Reply #59
60. Here's how it went....
paraphrased:

me: I'm opposed to alternative medicine getting federal money
you: why is it taught in medical school, then?
me: You'd have to provide some specific examples - then we can discuss it.
You: (big list of class names)
me: Well that doesn't help much, exactly WHAT is being taught?
You: You asked if alternative medicine is being taught!!
Me: no i didn't
You: :eyes:
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-05-07 07:58 PM
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61. Not just class names. Hospitals with Alternative Medical Programs!
:eyes:
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-05-07 08:01 PM
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62. look
there's no point in having a meta-argument about the argument.

The existence of medical school classes on alternative medicine doesn't mean, per se, that these classes teach the PRACTICE of those therapies. It could well be that they teach about, say, chinese herbal medicine as it relates to real medicine.

A doctor SHOULD know if his heart patient is taking guarana and ephedra. An orthopedist SHOULD know if his patient is seeing a chiropractor.

ALL doctors should know about the placebo effect.

You haven't yet shown that these medical schools endorse the PRACTICES discussed in these classes.
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AnOhioan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-05-07 06:46 PM
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45. You and I will have to disagree
Edited on Mon Mar-05-07 07:18 PM by AnOhioan
Alternative medicine such as chiropractics is now covered by insurance, it is becoming mainstream. As is acupuncture. Both started out being decried by those in the medical profession whose livelihoods are based on expensive surgeries and drugs.

Yes there are ideas such as homeopathy that are not proven, but you must have noticed that DK never mentions homeopathy by name. He merely discusses alternative and complementary medicine. Many things considered alternative at one time are now part of the mainstream, having undergone scientific testing. To say that no alternative medicines should be explored is just shortsighted.

I am pleased that Dennis sees the need to include alternative therapies in his plan. If no research ever occurs, we will be stuck with the status quo. To me, that is unacceptable.

BTW, your tax dollars are already being spent on alternative and complementary medicine...
National Center for Complementary and Alternative Medicine (NCCAM), established in 1998 is part of the National Institutes of Health, which is in turn part of the Department of Health and Human Services.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-05-07 06:53 PM
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48. yes
Acupuncture has actually been shown to WORK for some conditions. Those tests were performed, and the conclusions derived, from real science.

Chiropractic COULD, imo, be funded only for specific back problems. Not for asthma, allergies, diabetes, or any other quack claim chiropractors make. And any chiropractor who uses the word "subluxation" should be proscribed from ever receiving a public dollar.

And I am opposed to funding NCCAM:

http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/nccam...
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AnOhioan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-05-07 07:03 PM
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50. As I said, agree to disagree.
Thankfully, there is room here at Du for both our viewpoints. Have a good one.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-05-07 09:24 PM
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63. I understand perfectly...
have a good one yourself.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-05-07 06:35 PM
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42. I don't have a problem with it either.
Edited on Mon Mar-05-07 06:35 PM by Breeze54
Why not?? :shrug:

I doubt it would suck up all the $$ anyway.

Drugs and surgery are NOT always the answer to every medical problem.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-05-07 06:37 PM
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43. Thanks for the link but
Edited on Mon Mar-05-07 06:37 PM by Breeze54
I don't have a problem with offering alternatives.

Ever been to a chiropractor?
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-05-07 06:46 PM
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46. No I have not
I'm not suggesting outlawing alternatives. I'm simply saying that only REAL science should be backed by the power and the money of the state.

Should Reiki practitioners be able to charge Medicare for their "skills"? Psychics? Where do you draw the line?

I draw the line at those treatments that can, and have, been shown to be effective. But then, when that happens, those treatments become just part of regular old medicine.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-06-07 09:01 AM
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67. Labeling something "faith based science" doesn't make it so.
This is ONE of the reasons I like DK's plan better than anyone else's.

"Non-Western" is not the same thing as "faith based," and "alternative" covers just about any kind of treatment that doesn't involve a knife or a drug. Knives and drugs are the only tools in orthodox Western Medicine's toolbox, which limits treatments, research, and advances.

Having been under the knife, been bled, tested, and drugged, and having used some alternative forms of treatment as well, I can tell you that the alternative forms will always be my first choice, whenever indicated.
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info being Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-05-07 05:19 PM
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29. I'll support him again this time
Now *that* would be an upset...beating Obama, Hillary, all the fakers.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-05-07 05:25 PM
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30. It would be
pretty awesome!!

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PreacherCasey Donating Member (717 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-05-07 06:19 PM
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34. Kick for a serious issue and a serious man.
:thumbsup:
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-05-07 06:20 PM
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35. Well, I sure hope he is elected President and his plan works well.
Sounds good to me. Health care costs are devastating nowadays, and a lot of folks that have insurance still pay high co-pays, have limitations on insured services, and have enormous deductibles with the crummy insurance plans provided by many employers.
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Nutmegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-05-07 06:21 PM
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36. "No strings attached"
Take that fakers.
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-05-07 06:26 PM
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39. don't worry--RWers preparing the ground by bitching about how bad Medicare is
they'll be up to speed on this any time we care to try to expand it for all.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-06-07 04:18 AM
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64. All who want to push that agenda--
--should be caucusing for him.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-06-07 08:04 AM
Response to Reply #64
65. I'd be
happy to do that! ;)

I think there are a lot who are more than willing!

Are you going to caucus? :shrug:
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-06-07 03:54 PM
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70. Yes, most assuredly n/t
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-06-07 08:51 AM
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66. He's been touting this for some years.
One of the reasons I like him. One of the reasons he had my support in '04. One of the reasons I'll support him in '08.

:thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-06-07 09:26 AM
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68. Woot!!
Edited on Tue Mar-06-07 09:27 AM by Breeze54
:woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-06-07 11:57 AM
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69. Is the info in post 38 wrong? Is Dennis the only candidate who won't restrict Habeas Corpus?
Edited on Tue Mar-06-07 11:57 AM by redqueen
Christ Almighty...
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-07-07 08:06 AM
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71. I don't know anything about the group that made the chart.
It's accuracy can be checked, if you have the time. This part is correct, though: While all of the candidates claim to support "universal health care," he is the only candidate to advocate "not for profit."
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