Does anyone else think McCain WON'T be the Republican nominee?

[L. Coyote]

Is he just a stand-in, to make Cheney look young and bright?
Is Cheney waiting until the last minute, the convention?

Why was the Republican convention pushed so far back,
numerous states had to make dramatic changes in rules?

I just cannot believe John McCain will be the candidate.
It makes no sense at all. McCain could lose 50 states!!
Will he withdraw for health reasons? I suspect so.

Cheney's best chance is to step in at the last minute, having avoided
a year of negative publicity and negative focus during a primary battle!

[LakeSamish706]

1. I think Cheney would stand less chance of being elected than would McCain...

Just my opinion, but I don't think that he is liked much at all.

[Clear Blue Sky]

14. I agree. Cheney has huge negatives.

Who else? Huckster? Romney? Newt?

[boobooday]

2. I would love to see Cheney run . . .

literally and politically.

heh heh

[Mrs. Overall]

3. I think Cheney is going to be too busy dealing with criminal charges and war crimes allegations....

[LakeSamish706]

21. From your keyboard to God's ears... n/t

[Bluzmann57]

4. Not going to happen

Wish I had as active an imagination as you.

[pompano]

8. Cheney is...

not going to be President or even run for it.

There was a post up a couple of weeks ago. It outline the most ridiculous scenario of players for the fall GE. I don't remember it all but I think it was McHundred/2013 dropping out for health reasons, Huckleberry Phlegm as the Republican nominee, and Condi. as Obama's running mate. I thought it was funny as hell at first and then I never saw the sarcasm emotocon at the bottom.

:rofl:

[RedCappedBandit]

5. Who the hell would vote for cheney?

Wait.. don't answer that..

[DrDan]

6. there is no way cheney would make the ticket

he made his hundreds of millions while spending his time hunting . . . flying "first class" in his personal 757.

He will fade away to enjoy his fortune . . .

[SpiralHawk]

7. I suspect health problems may curtail McSame's candidacy

I base that statement on careful observation of him from TV clips. I see weaknesses, and faltering - signs I recognize as PROBLEMATIC.

So I can see the possibility of McCain bowing out at some point -- maybe late summer, and some other Republicon Homelander being shoved out in front...

[L. Coyote]

17. I remember when I diagnosed Reagan and noone believed me.

I have had personal experience, including years spent doing living assistance for a parent.
The signs are definitely there.

[LiberalFighter]

9. The party of the President in power determines when to hold their convention first.

The opposing party must then schedule their convention before the party in power.

[Quakerfriend]

10. I wonder too. You know, Barr announced he's running just

last week. :think:

I think the 'fundies' would vote for him before McCain, any day.

[Benhurst]

12. I don't think the Bush Crime Family would want Barr. He has spoken out

the shredding of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights more than our own "leaders" have, including Clinton and Obama.

What about Chuck Hagel? Now that would stir the pot!

[Clear Blue Sky]

11. I think he WILL be the nominee.

Age and those issues aside, who else would be the nominee? I don't see a last minute switcheroo...

[moondust]

13. Been wondering about it.

Although I don't think the successor would be Cheney who has about a single digit approval rating. Probably Romney.

The big Puke donors are watching to see how McCain does in the wild until the convention and then they'll decide who to run.

[billdemo]

15. The other options are far worse...

I mean, who really thought anyone was going to vote for Mitt Romney or Huckabee or... god forbid ... FRED THOMPSON. He's the best of a bad lot. My prediction is he picks Giuliani as a running mate.

[napi21]

16. I think the Pubs KNOW they have a VERY small chance of winning

and McNut us their sacrificial lamb. It makes HIM happy, fulfills their promise to him from back in 2000, and they don't lose much.

[PSPS]

20. I think so too

McSame is just a place holder. They know they're going to lose anyway, and nobody else wants that stink on them later.

[jwirr]

18. I have thought this from the beginning when he began showing how

little he knew about anything. As to who will replace him - we probably will be surprised - someone who is not always in the spotlight. They will leave him in only if they have already conceded and need a sacrificial lamb.

[Warpy]

19. It's McCain's turn, folks

This is the payoff for his 8 years of butt kissing the man who attacked his family, his military record and his honor. They owe him.

That's how that party works, and he's being sacrificed the way Dole was.

They don't expect to win this one. They'll use McCain to prove that moderates (ha!) can't carry the party and they'll run Jebbie next time, putting him up as a savior from the mean old Democrats who will have their hands full dealing with the mess that party has created, a mess much too large for any one administration to cope with.

I think he'll be the nominee.

[MuseRider]

23. That makes a lot of sense Warpy.

I too have thought that McCain will not be the nominee and they will come up with someone else at the convention but you make a lot of sense here. You are right, this is exactly how they work and it will be made easy for them if a Dem gets in office and the Dems have the Congress as well because the fix for this mess will not be pretty or easy or popular with a lot of people and it will be so easy for them to sail right back in once the Corporate Media take care of the Dems. They will be able to run whatever fanatic they want and look good compared to the Dems (that is assuming the Dems actually do their job and I have my doubts about that).

[rustydad]

22. Cheney IS the president....now

What he will do is keep his puppet in the White House for the foreseeable future. How? Start a war with Iran, escalating to nuclear bombing of Iranian cities. Have that war lead to turmoil in the Mid East with oil prices going to $400+ a barrel. And China reacts by dumping the dollar reserves it has, destroying our economy. Riots here in the US. Martial Law imposed. Cities and forests burning blamed on Arab/Muslim terror cells. Under social dis-order even the Democrats will accede to a postponement of elections. This to happen this summer. These bastards are seeking to gut the US of anything of value. They may succeed. Bob

[L. Coyote]

24. Sounds a lot like the stuff coming from the John Birch Society.

If there is a shadow leader to the Junta or Enterprise,
Cheney is just another of the many chore boys.

You know, this rant sounds a lot like the stuff coming from the John Birch Society.
Myself, I think paranoid politics says more about the paranoid than politics.

I wouldn't open a Fortune Telling shop! :rofl: People like to hear about a rosy future!

[SoCalDem]

25. I wondered this same thing a while back.. It scares me a little

that they always call him the "presumptive" nominee, and Romney only "suspended" his camapign..

I fear we may get "Schwarzeneggered"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=3203928

[L. Coyote]

27. The SoCal Corrupt Bastards Club got "Schwarzeneggered"

The plot was to have the Cunningham, Issa, et.al. group, the Corrupt Bastards Club, take over California.

The 'Kennedy family' stepped in and took that much away from them!!
There is some small solace in the fact that Arnold was able to prevent the desired outcome.

[SoCalDem]

28. But we all got snookered too.. We had unimpressive candidates

because our governor had JUST been re-elected, so they end-arounded us..

Bustamante has the charisma of a 3 week old bridal bouquet, and never stood a chance..

Cheney & Enron set us up.. they knew Davis would be re-elected in '02, and they NEEDED a republican governor in place.. why ELSE would Ahhhnold be "invited" to the the energy meetings in March of '01..he was just an aging mooooovie star, with no political aspirations ..at that point..

The whole plan was to discredit Gray Davis AFTER his election, because they knew they could do it..and then to "install" Ahhhnold..
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The Cheney energy task force was a rubber stamp for Enron and the other energy pirates, who virtually wrote the text of the group's report, which was rushed to release on May 16, 2001 (a new General Accounting Office report assails Cheney for keeping the entire effort secret—see accompanying article). While the Cheney report peddled energy cartel looting on the homefront, it also targetted Iraq and other oil-rich countries for imperial conquest and energy grab.

The Cheney report made scant mention of the California crisis. Cheney also spat on California in a PBS "Frontline" interview after the report was unveiled, coldly denying that the energy giants were functioning as a cartel. "The problem you had in California," Cheney lied, "was caused by a combination of things—an unwise regulatory scheme, because they didn't really deregulate. Now they're trapped, from unwise regulatory schemes, plus not having addressed the supply side of the issue. They've obviously created major problems for themselves and bankrupted PG&E in the process."

In April 2001, Cheney had met with Enron's chief executive, Kenneth Lay, a member of the Pioneers group of Bush campaign mega-contributors, who presented the Vice President with a memo laying out eight proposals. Seven of the eight, all promoting radical deregulation, were adopted almost verbatim in the Cheney report. Lay reportedly also pressured Cheney to ensure that his report made little mention of California. Cheney obliged.

Lay was running a simultaneous campaign in California, to focus the blame for the energy crisis on Governor Davis, and to dodge state and Federal prosecutors for Enron's predatory actions. Former Dow Jones California bureau chief Jason Leopold recently revealed that on May 24, 2001—one week after the Cheney report's release—Lay held a secret meeting at the Peninsula Hotel in Beverly Hills, to organize a group of GOP bigshots and Hollywood celebs to join his propaganda push against Davis, and peddle Enron's schemes for accelerated looting of the state through even more drastic deregulation.

Among the attendees: former Los Angeles Mayor Richard Riordan, infamous Drexel Burnham junk bond felon Michael Milken—and Arnold Schwarzenegger! The attendees were given a proposal titled "Comprehensive Solution for California." One key feature was that all state and Federal probes into Enron's role in the California energy crisis should immediately be shut down.

Lay knew Enron was dying, despite robbing California blind—the firm would file for bankruptcy Dec. 2, 2001—when he made the pitch to end the probes and give Enron one last chance to loot its way out of bankruptcy court.

A Leopold source at the meeting revealed that Schwarzenegger and Riordan had been asked to the session as likely GOP gubernatorial candidates against Davis in 2002.

Just before that meeting, on April 15, 2001, the New York Times reported on a meeting between "Bush political advisors" and the Terminator, to discuss a gubernatorial run. White House chief political advisor Karl Rove was quoted saying that a Schwarzenegger run "would be nice. That would be really, really nice. That would be really, really, really nice." In fact, Arnie had been at the White House, meeting with Rove, on April 12.
http://larouchepub.com/other/2003/3034cheney_calif.html

[johnaries]

26. Ron Paul will have a last-minute surge just before the convention

and become the nominee with over-whelming support.

At least that's what the Paulistas at work keep saying. :shrug:

[MiniMe]

29. While it is definitely possible, I doubt it would be Cheney

I think it would be either Romney or Huckaduck. However, I think this was something that Boosh promised McSame in 2000.

[L. Coyote]

30. McBush earned the mantle, is so, by covering up the Abramoff e-mails in 2004

just before the election. McBush saved GW in 2004 with his cover-up.

[K8-EEE]

31. I think the GOP def has buyer's remorse

I think they want Romney in there -- I think that's why they are doing all sorts of pro-LDS shit on FR, where they used to call him a "cultist" before they started hating McCain so bad, LOL!

It would not surprise me at all if McCain had to "step down" for some phony reason.

McCain against Obama is their worst nightmare -- I think they were counting on years of promoted HillHate to bring out the GOP. They are trying their damnest to make the anti-Obama thing the motivating factor, but the truth his he is not that easy of a person to villify, hahaha on them!!

[Time for change]

32. I think that if Cheney has plans of remaining in power, the way to do that is to declare martial law

and cancel the 08 elections.

No way he would actually think of standing for election. His approval ratings have been around 15% for as long as I can remember. He wouldn't stand a chance.

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