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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 08:34 AM
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Heir to the Holocaust: How the Bush Family Fortune Is Linked to the NAZIs
Edited on Fri May-16-08 08:34 AM by Octafish
The links are pretty clear.

Heir to the Holocaust

Prescott Bush, $1.5 million, and Auschwitz: how the Bush family wealth is linked to the holocaust

Toby Rogers

While the Enron scandal currently unfolds, another Bush family business scandal lurks beneath the shadows of history that may dwarf it.


But while President Bush publicly embraced the community of holocaust survivors in Washington last spring, he and his family have been keeping a secret from them for over 50 years about Prescott Bush, the president's grandfather. According to classified documents from Dutch intelligence and US government archives, President George W. Bush's grandfather, Prescott Bush made considerable profits off Auschwitz slave labor. In fact, President Bush himself is an heir to these profits from the holocaust which were placed in a blind trust in 1980 by his father, former president George Herbert Walker Bush.

Throughout the Bush family's decades of public life, the American press has gone out of its way to overlook one historical fact that through Union Banking Corporation (UBC), Prescott Bush, and his father-in-law, George Herbert Walker, along with German industrialist Fritz Thyssen, financed Adolf Hitler before and during World War II. It was first reported in 1994 by John Loftus and Mark Aarons in The Secret War Against the Jews: How Western Espionage Betrayed the Jewish People.


However, Prescott Bush's banks were not just financing Hitler as previously reported. In fact, there was a distinct business link much deeper than Mr. Higham or Mr. Loftus knew at the time their books were published.

A classified Dutch intelligence file which was leaked by a courageous Dutch intelligence officer, along with newly surfaced information from U.S. government archives, "confirms absolutely," John Loftus says, the direct links between Bush, Thyssen and genocide profits from Auschwitz.

The business connections between Prescott Bush and Fritz Thyssen were more direct than what has been previously written. This new information reveals how Prescott Bush and UBC, which he managed directly, profited from the Holocaust. A case can be made that the inheritors of the Prescott Bush estate could be sued by survivors of the Holocaust and slave labor communities. To understand the complete picture of how Prescott Bush profited from the Holocaust, it is necessary to return to the year 1916, where it all began.


Why isn't this front-page news today?
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Fredda Weinberg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 08:35 AM
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1. Because it has nothing to do w/anything except toxic politics n/t
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 08:36 AM
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2. George W Bush acts like a NAZI.
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atreides1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 08:41 AM
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3. Why???
It is the truth after all, and isn't the truth important?
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 10:28 AM
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14. Some people IMHO incorrectly believe that by pointing out people to be Nazis is political and takes
away from the importance of the holocaust. I think that is bullshit. If it talks like a Nazi, runs the government like a Nazi, has been behind mass murder like the Nazis, I think our sociopath in chief is qualifies.

Grandpa Prescott and Poppy were great role models....... :sarcasm:
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 01:16 AM
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38. How deeply predictable of you. n/t
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 09:02 AM
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4. The optimum time for this
would have been when George HW and W were running for President - not sure what it would accomplish now EXCEPT to show how W, especially, has moved this country toward fascism. I don't know if people are willing to listen to that, unfortunately.

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izquierdista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 09:25 AM
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5. Earlier
The optimum time for this was when the OSS was rounding up traitors during WWII. The inadvertently forgot to jail Prescott Bush and without jailing him, he was able to run for office and give his hideous family a toehold into politics. Without that toehold, G.W. Bush would just be a name stitched in an oval on a beer distributor's uniform. On second thought, he probably couldn't even do that job right and would be flying a sign at some freeway offramp.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 09:26 AM
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6. You're right - Prescott should have been nailed. nt
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 09:29 AM
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7. Big Oil did Big Business with the NAZIs.
Good points, gately. The thing is, the connections continue to haunt America.

Case in point: Big Oil and the NAZIs were, and still are, joined at the hip through the actions of the current generation. Consumers and the rest of We the People have seen the price of gasoline triple, due in large part to Bush's "War on Terror."

Trading with the Enemy

The Nazi - American Money Plot 1933-1949

by Charles Higham
Delacorte Press, 1983


To this day the bulk o~ Americans do not suspect The Fraternity. The government smothered everything, during and even (inexcusably) after the war. What would have happened if millions of American and British people, struggling with coupons and lines at the gas stations, had learned that in 1942 Standard Oil of New Jersey managers shipped the enemy's fuel through neutral Switzerland and that the enemy was shipping Allied fuel? Suppose the public had discovered that the Chase Bank in Nazi-occupied Paris after Pearl Harbor was doing millions of dollars' worth of business with the enemy with the full knowledge of the head office in Manhattan? Or that Ford trucks were being built for the German occupation troops in France with authorization from Dearborn, Michigan? Or that Colonel Sosthenes Behn, the head of the international American telephone conglomerate ITT, flew from New York to Madrid to Berne during the war to help improve Hitler's communications systems and improve the robot bombs that devastated London? Or that ITT built the Focke-Wulfs that dropped bombs on British and American troops? Or that crucial ball bearings were shipped to Nazi-associated customers in Latin America with the collusion of the vice-chairman of the U. S. War Production Board in partnership with Goring's cousin in Philadelphia when American forces were desperately short of them? Or that such arrangements were known about in Washington and either sanctioned or deliberately ignored?

For the government did sanction such dubious transactions-both before and after Pearl Harbor. A presidential edict, issued six days after December 7, 1941, actually set up the legislation whereby licensing arrangements for trading with the enemy could officially be granted. Often during the years after Pearl Harbor the government permitted such trading. For example, ITT was allowed to continue its relations with the Axis and Japan until 1945, even though that conglomerate was regarded as an official instrument of United States Intelligence. No attempt was made to prevent Ford from retaining its interests for the Germans in Occupied France, nor were the Chase Bank or the Morgan Bank expressly forbidden to keep open their branches in Occupied Paris. It is indicated that the Reichsbank and Nazi Ministry of Economics made promises to certain U.S. corporate leaders that their properties would not be injured after the Fuhrer was victorious. Thus, the bosses of the multinationals as we know them today had a six-spot on every side of the dice cube. Whichever side won the war, the powers that really ran nations would not be adversely affected.


The Secrets of Standard Oil

In 1941, Standard Oil of New Jersey was the largest petroleum corporation in the world. Its bank was Chase, its owners the Rockefellers. Its chairman, Walter C. Teagle, and its president, William S. Farish, matched Joseph J. Larkin's extensive connections with the Nazi government.

From the 1920s on Teagle showed a marked admiration for Germany's enterprise in overcoming the destructive terms of the Versailles Treaty. His lumbering stride, booming tones, and clouds of cigar smoke became widely and affectionately known in the circle that helped support the rising Nazi party. He early established a friendship with the dour and stubby Hermann Schmitz of I.G. Farben, entertaining him frequently for lunch at the Cloud Room in the Chrysler Building, Teagle's favorite Manhattan haunt of the late 1920s and the 1930s. Teagle also was friendly with the pro-Nazi Sir Henri Deterding of Royal Dutch-Shell, who agreed with his views about capitalist domination of Europe and the ultimate need to destroy Russia.

Because of his commercial and personal association with Herman Schmitz, and his awareness that he must protect Standard's interest in Nazi Germany, Teagle made many visits to Berlin and the Standard tanks and tank cars in Germany throughout the 1930s. He became director of American I.G. Chemical Corp., the giant chemicals firm that was a subsidiary of I.G. Farben. He invested heavily in American I.G. and American I.G. invested heavily in Standard. He sat on the I.G. board with Fraternity brothers Edsel Ford and William E. Weiss, chairman of Sterling Products.

Following the rise of Hitler to power, Teagle and Hermann Schmitz jointly gave a special assignment to Ivy Lee, the notorious New York publicity man, who had for some years worked for the Rockefellers. They engaged Lee for the specific purpose of economic espionage. He was to supply I.G. Farben, and through it the Nazi government, with intelligence on the American reaction to such matters as the German armament program, Germany's treatment of the Church, and the organization of the Gestapo. He was also to keep the American public bamboozled by papering over the more evil aspects of Hitler's regime. For this, Lee was paid first $3,000 then $4,000 annually, the money paid to him through the Bank for International Settlements in the name of I.G. Chemie. The contract was for obvious reasons kept oral and the money was transferred in cash. No entries were made in the books of the employing companies or in those of Ivy Lee himself. After a short period Lee's salary was increased to $25,000 per year and he began distributing inflammatory Nazi propaganda in the United States on behalf of I.G. Farben, including virulent attacks on the Jews and the Versailles Treaty.

In February 1938 the Securities and Exchange Commission held a meeting to investigate Nazi ownership of American I.G. through a Swiss subsidiary. The commissioners grilled Teagle on the ownership of the Swiss company. He pretended that he did not know the owners were I.G. Farben and the Nazi government. The commissioners tried to make him admit that at least American I.G. was "controlled by 'European' interests." Teagle replied dodgily, "Well, I think that would be a safe assumption." Asked who voted for him as a proxy at Swiss meetings, again he asserted that he didn't know. He also neglected to mention that Schmitz and the Nazi government owned thousands of shares in American I.G.

Teagle was sufficiently embarrassed by the hearing to resign from the American I.G. board, but he retained his connections with the company. He remained in partnership with Farben in the matter of tetraethyl lead, an additive used in aviation gasoline. Goring's air force couldn't fly without it. Only Standard, Du Pont, and General Motors had the rights to it. Teagle helped to organize a sale of the precious substance to Schmitz, who in 1938 traveled to London and "borrowed" 500 tons from Ethyl, the British Standard subsidiary. Next year, Schmitz and his partners returned to London and obtained $15 million worth. The result was that Hitler's air force was rendered capable of bombing London, the city that had provided the supplies. Also, by supplying Japan with tetraethyl, Teagle helped make it possible for the Japanese to wage World War II.

On September 22,1947, Judge Charles Clark delivered the final word on the subject. He said, ''Standard Oil can be considered an enemy national in view of its relationships with I.G. Farben-after the United States and Germany had become active enemies." The appeal was denied.


Similar price spikes happened during the Iran-Iraq War, the first Gulf War and the present time. This has moved money from the middle class to the Middle East.
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HowHasItComeToThis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 09:42 AM
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 09:51 AM
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9. CIA brought in NAZIs after WW 2. Coincidently, Dulles and Co. did business with NAZIs before WW2.
Small world.

How Was The CIA Formed?

By absorbing the Nazi war criminal infrastructure

by Jared Israel

On Oct 8, 1998, the Nazi War Crimes Disclosure Act became US law. This legislation:

...calls for the establishment of the Nazi War Criminal Records Interagency Working Group (IWG) to locate, identify, and make available to the public Nazi war criminal records. (1)

The IWGs task was to organize previously classified documents from the OSS, predecessor of the CIA, as well as from the CIA and other intelligence sources, and to make these documents available to the public. These were to include documents relating to possible collusion between US government organizations and Nazi war criminals.

Millions of pages have been released but very little information has trickled down to the broad public. And this trickle has been presented in a way calculated to minimize public awareness of the extent to which the Nazi apparatus was recruited in order - literally - to *become* the US covert operations and intelligence apparatus (the CIA etc.)

This story centers around the figure of Reinhard Gehlen.


Thank you for giving a damn, YEBBA.
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bluesmail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 09:05 AM
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59. The first time I heard this was when I was living in Monterey
and listened religiously to Mae Brussel who had a radio show every Sunday. She wouldn't give up speaking the truth about the Nazi's. This was early 70's.
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 07:45 AM
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48. Because as long as these people are NOT brought to justice . . .
and as long as no one holds them accountable, the specter of corprocentric governing and the potential for it to happen again still remain.

Maybe it's a reminder not to continue what Dumbericans have been continuing for the past 28 years. McClown will only be a lapdog to the neo-Robber Baron corporatists.
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iamahaingttta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 08:50 AM
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56. None of this is new.
This book was written when Poppy was running for president:

You can read the whole book, online, right now if you choose.

This kind of info has been out there for a long time. I first started hearing about this stuff when Poppy had John Lennon killed, and then tried to assassinate Reagan.

The Bush family is complete scum.
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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 10:06 AM
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10. Wow. John Foster Dulles was their lawyer.
John Foster Dulles (February 25, 1888 May 24, 1959) served as U.S. Secretary of State under President Dwight D. Eisenhower from 1953 to 1959. He was a significant figure in the early Cold War era, advocating an aggressive stance against communism around the world. He advocated support of the French in their war against the Viet Minh in Indochina and famously refused to shake the hand of Zhou Enlai at the Geneva Conference in 1954. He also played a great part in the CIA operations to overthrow the democratic Mossadegh government of Iran in 1953 (Operation Ajax) and the democratic Arbenz government of Guatemala in 1954 (Operation PBSUCCESS).

Dulles also became a partner at Sullivan & Cromwell, an international law firm. According to Karlheinz Deschner's book The Moloch Dulles gave assets of 1 bio. $ to the Nazi party in 1933 after Hitler's election, and according to Stephen Kinzer's 2006 book Overthrow, the firm benefited from doing business with the Nazi regime, and throughout 1934, Dulles was a very public supporter of Hitler. However, the junior partners, led by his brother Allen<2>, were appalled by Nazi activities and threatened to revolt if Dulles did not end the firm's association with the regime. In 1935, Dulles closed Sullivan & Cromwell's Berlin office; later he would cite the closing date as 1934, no doubt in an effort to clear his reputation by shortening his involvement with Nazi Germany.<3>
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 11:21 AM
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15. "Farben was Hitler and Hitler was Farben."
Big Oil and Wall Street and the CIA means...Big Bucks and Bush.

The Empire of I.G. Farben

Chapter Two

"Farben was Hitler and Hitler was Farben." (Senator Homer T. Bone to Senate Committee on Military Affairs, June 4, 1943.)

On the eve of World War II the German chemical complex of I.G. Farben was the largest chemical manufacturing enterprise in the world, with extraordinary political and economic power and influence within the Hitlerian Nazi state. I. G. has been aptly described as "a state within a state."

The Farben cartel dated from 1925, when organizing genius Hermann Schmitz (with Wall Street financial assistance) created the super-giant chemical enterprise out of six already giant German chemical companies Badische Anilin, Bayer, Agfa, Hoechst, Weiler-ter-Meer, and Griesheim-Elektron. These companies were merged to become Inter-nationale Gesellschaft Farbenindustrie A.G. or I.G. Farben for short. Twenty years later the same Hermann Schmitz was put on trial at Nuremburg for war crimes committed by the I. G. cartel. Other I. G. Farben directors were placed on trial but the American affiliates of I. G. Farben and the American directors of I. G. itself were quietly forgotten; the truth was buried in the archives.

It is these U.S. connections in Wall Street that concern us. Without the capital supplied by Wall Street, there would have been no I. G. Farben in the first place and almost certainly no Adolf Hitler and World War II.

German bankers on the Farben Aufsichsrat (the supervisory Board of Directors)1 in the late 1920s included the Hamburg banker Max War-burg, whose brother Paul Warburg was a founder of the Federal Reserve System in the United States. Not coincidentally, Paul Warburg was also on the board of American I. G., Farben's wholly owned U.S. subsidiary. In addition to Max Warburg and Hermann Schmitz, the guiding hand in the creation of the Farben empire, the early Farben Vorstand included Carl Bosch, Fritz ter Meer, Kurt Oppenheim and George von Schnitzler.2 All except Max Warburg were charged as "war criminals" after World War II.

In 1928 the American holdings of I. G. Farben (i.e., the Bayer Company, General Aniline Works, Agfa Ansco, and Winthrop Chemical Company) were organized into a Swiss holding company, i. G. Chemic (Inter-nationale Gesellschaft fur Chemisehe Unternehmungen A. G.), controlled by I. G. Farben in Germany. In the following year these American firms merged to become American I. G. Chemical Corporation, later renamed General Aniline & Film. Hermann Schmitz, the organizer of I. G. Farben in 1925, became a prominent early Nazi and supporter of Hitler, as well as chairman of the Swiss I. G. Chemic and president of American I. G. The Farben complex both in Germany and the United States then developed into an integral part of the formation and operation of the Nazi state machine, the Wehrmacht and the S.S.

I. G. Farben is of peculiar interest in the formation of the Nazi state because Farben directors materially helped. Hitler and the Nazis to power in 1933. We have photographic evidence (see page 60) that I.G. Farben contributed 400,000 RM to Hitler's political "slush fund." It was this secret fund which financed the Nazi seizure of control in March 1933. Many years earlier Farben had obtained Wall Street funds for the 1925 cartelization and expansion in Germany and $30 million for American I. G. in 1929, and had Wall Street directors on the Farben board. It has to be noted that these funds were raised and directors appointed years before Hitler was promoted as the German dictator.


Thank you for giving a damn, trof.
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ekwhite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 07:54 AM
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50. Bayer - Zyklon B in the 1940's - aspirin now
Edited on Sat May-17-08 08:06 AM by ekwhite
What an evil company.

Edited to bring you this link to a nice piece on IG Farben's link to the pharmaceutical industry. Bayer is the manufacturer of Bayer aspirin, Bayer lawn chemicals and pesticides. The Hoechst pharmaceutical company is now part of the pharmaceutical giant Sanofi.

Another nasty company - Vetter, founded by Nazi doctor Helmut Vetter, who conducted experiments at the KZ Guzen death camp.
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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 10:15 AM
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11. And ThyssenKrupp breaks ground for steel mill near Mobile.
Ain't it funny that the two biggest financial backers of Hitler's rise to power were the Thyssens and the Krupps?
And now they're right here.

"ThyssenKrupp Breaks Ground on the Site of its Steel and Stainless Steel Facility in Alabama, USA
Alabama Plant to Begin Operations in 2010

ThyssenKrupp Steel USA, LLC, and ThyssenKrupp Stainless USA, LLC, today broke ground on the site of its $3.7 billion carbon and stainless steel processing facility in Calvert, Alabama. The groundbreaking marks the beginning of construction of the 3,500-acre plant."
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 11:25 AM
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16. I.G. Farben had a big interest in Standard Oil.
They even used Standard's patent for creating synthetic petroleum from coal.

The great Dave Emory does an excellent job of documenting the connections between Big Oil, Wall Street, the Bush Family, and the NAZIs:

Update on the Formula and the Standard-I.G. Agreement of 1929

Real Audio link:


Thanks for the heads-up re: new steel mill, trof. These guys are living proof of George W Bush's quote: "Money trumps peace. Sometimes."
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 11:48 AM
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17. Brown Brothers Harriman, Union Banking Corporation, and Prescott Bush

Early in 1924, Hendrick J. Kouwenhoven, the managing director of Bank voor Handel en Scheepvaart, traveled to New York to meet with George Herbert Walker and the Harriman brothers. Together, they established The Union Banking Corporation. The UBC's headquarters was located at the same 39 Broadway address as Harriman & Co.

As the German economy recovered through the mid to late '20s, Walker and Harriman's firm sold over $50,000,000 worth of German bonds to American investors, who profited enormously from the economic boom in Germany. In 1926, August Thyssen died at the age of 84. Fritz Thyssen was now in control of one of the largest industrial families in Europe. He quickly created the United Steel Works (USW), the biggest industrial conglomerate in German history. Thyssen hired Albert Volger, one of the Ruhr's most influential industrial directors, as director General of USW.

Thyssen also brought Fredich Flick, another German family juggernaut, on board. Flick owned coal and steel industries throughout Germany and Poland and desperately wanted to invest into the Thyssen empire. One of the primary motivations for the Thyssen/Flick massive steel and coal merger was suppressing the new labor and socialist movements.

Also in 1924 in New York, George Walker decided to give his new son in law, Prescott Sheldon Bush, a big break. Walker made Bush a vice president of Harriman & Co. Prescott's new office employed many of his classmates from his Yale class of 1917, including Roland Harriman and Knight Woolley. The three had been close friends at Yale and were all members of Skull & Bones, the mysterious on-campus secret society. Despite the upbeat fraternity atmosphere at Harriman & Co., it was also a place of hard work, and no one worked harder than Prescott Bush.

In fact, Walker hired Bush to help him supervise the new Thyssen/Flick United Steel Works. One section of the USW empire was the Consolidated Silesian Steel Corporation and the Upper Silesian Coal and Steel Company located in the Silesian section of Poland. Thyssen and Flick paid Bush and Walker generously, but it was worth every dime. Their new business arrangement pleased them all financially, and the collective talents of all four men and their rapid success astonished the business world.

The great depression also rocked Harriman & Co. The following year, Harriman & Co. merged with the London firm Brown/Shipley. Brown/Shipley kept its name, but Harriman & Co. changed its name to Brown Brothers Harriman. The new firm moved to 59 Wall St. while UBC stayed at 39 Broadway. Averell Harriman and Prescott Bush reestablished a holding company called The Harriman 15 Corporation. One of the companies Harriman had held stock in was the Consolidated Silesian Steel Company. Two thirds of the company was owned by Friedrich Flick. The rest was owned by Harriman.

According to New York Times reporter Charles Higham, Hitler and the Fraternity of American businessmen "not only sought a continuing alliance of interests for the duration of World War II, but supported the idea of a negotiated peace with Germany that would bar any reorganization of Europe along liberal lines. It would leave as its residue a police state that would place the Fraternity in postwar possession of financial, industrial, and political autonomy."

Six days after Pearl Harbor and the US declaration of war at the end of 1941, President Franklin D. Roosevelt, Secretary of the Treasury Henry Morgenthau and US Attorney General Francis Biddle signed the Trading With the Enemy Act, which banned any business interests with US enemies of war. Prescott Bush continued with business as usual, aiding the Nazi invasion of Europe and supplying resources for weaponry that would eventually be turned on American solders in combat against Germany.

On October 20, 1942, the U.S. government had had enough of Prescott Bush and his Nazi business arrangements with Fritz Thyssen. Over the summer, The New York Tribune had exposed Bush and Thyssen, whom the Tribune dubbed "Hitler's Angel." When the US government saw UBC's books, they found out that Bush's bank and its shareholders "are held for the benefit of ... members of the Thyssen family, is property of nationals ... of a designated enemy country."

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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 12:10 PM
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19. Globalization is nothing wonder Bush embraces it
GW BUSH made this ALL relevant invoking WWII terminology and referencing Nazis..and he did it in Israel..of all places.. he opened this can of worms, and now is just as good of a time to re-visit his family (and party's) connection to Nazi-ism, appeasement (trading with the enemy) and ALL of the dirty laundry...

This stuff is NOT's all in the PUBLIC record, and if he can go back and drag bits of "history" out for HIS benefit, then so should WE..
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 02:13 PM
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20. So Bush's banker essentially brought Hitler to power...

...and they allow his grandson to speak at the Knesset?!

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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 04:22 PM
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21. Interesting question, that one. n/t
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stubtoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 10:18 AM
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12. K, R and Bookmarking for you. This is hot stuff. Will it make the MSM?
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 05:15 PM
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22. Nazi's In America
More reading, essential to disseminate to all who give a damn about democracy in the United States of America.

Nazi's In America


Hate: George Lincoln Rockwell and the American Nazi Party
<388 pp with photos. Published by Brassey's, Washington, London, 1999>
William H. Schmalz (author)

A Commentary and Review


A Dramatic Shift to the Conservative Right in America

Since the end of WWII, but especially over the last 35 years or so, the political landscape in the U.S. --as well as other parts of the world--has shifted dramatically to the Conservative Right. That shift has largely gone unnoticed by those not old enough or not historically sensitive enough to place the Conservative Right political ideology and agenda in historical perspective. Many do not realize that the inherently racist, homophobic, and misogynist ideology now passed off by some Conservative Right politicians such as George W. Bush as acceptable and even respectable, was part of the reason the U.S. entered WW II. Millions of American soldiers died fighting against that hateful ideology that many on the Conservative Rightin varying degrees-- are now trumpeting as a kind of "final solution" to socioeconomic and other problems they claim have been created by the U.S. Government and by the "Liberals" of the 1960's.

Certainly, American G.I.s returning from the ravages left by Hitler's Third Reich at the end of WWII probably could not have conceived the possibility that the United States might one day have its own Nazi Party. But in the 1950's, while the world was still coming to terms with the Holocaust and fighting Cold War Communism, George Lincoln Rockwell, born March 9, 1918 in Bloomington, Illinois, was engendering the idea of the American Nazi Party (ANP).

From the late 1950's until his death in 1967, Rockwell became the seminal force of post-World War II National Socialism (Nazism) in America and the originator of the "Holocaust Denial" movement. That movement, institutionalized in various neo-Nazi organizations such as the so-called "Committee on the Open Debate on the Holocaust" (CODOH) is so rampant today across the United States that many college-age and younger unquestioningly accept its fundamental thesis, that the Holocaust is a Jewish lie.

William H. Schmaltz's Hate: George Lincoln Rockwell and the American Nazi Party is an excellent, well-researched book on Rockwell's American Nazi Party (ANP) and its legacy to Conservatives in the United States. He has documented the historic development of this Conservative Right organization and its leader, who would otherwise be (and was, by some) dismissed as a "half-penny" Hitler. Through numerous interviews with many of the original ANP "Stormtroopers" of Rockwell's Party, and much research from the FBI and other original sources, Schmaltz traced the persistence of Rockwell and his supporters to establish the ANP over many financial, political, and legal obstacles, from 1958 through 1967.

Most importantly, Schmaltz provides us with an invaluable overview of the American Nazi Party's evolution to its present forms, the Christian Identity movement, Aryan Nations, and the Order. Certain of Rockwell's original Stormtroopers, such as William Peirce, head of the neo-Nazi National Alliance, have carried forward the Nazi creed and agenda of Rockwell's ANP. The last part of the book, the Epilogue, provides a very useful summary of that evolution and development, as well as an outline of the similarities and differences between the Conservatives of Rockwell's time and present-day Conservatives of the 1980's and 1990's.


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sofa king Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 10:26 AM
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13. Octafish is way ahead of me on this, but... response to the Resident's revisionism, I've posted online an article I wrote a couple months back. It's chock full of related links, though online primary sources are regrettably thin.

And as usual, a big thubs-up to kpete, leveymg, and Octafish, who have been on top of this angle for years and years. DU is lucky to have folks like them around.

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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 05:32 PM
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23. Bush and the Nazis: New Documents
Thank you for telling me about your essay, sofa king. I look forward to reading it later this evening. The computer I'm using right now is ancient and crashes when challenged by modern things with lots of information. I'll be at a more modern machine late tonight. In the meantime, I hope to add a bit to the fire underneath a certain crazy monkey from crawford.

Bush and the Nazis: New Documents

Herbert Parmet
November 26, 2003


George Herbert (Bert) Walkers relationship with Averell Harriman went back to 1919, reported Buchanan, when both went to Paris to set up the German branch of their banking and investment operations, which were largely based on critical war resources such as steel and coal. Other corporate entities, all with ties to similar German interests, were then created by UBC, which had Prescott Bush on its board most notably, the Hamburg-American Line, the Holland-American Trading Corporation, and the Seamless Steel Corporation. On October 12, 1920, the St. Louis Globe-Democrat headlined Ex-St. Louisan Forms Giant Ship Merger, explaining that Bert Walker was the moving power behind the merger of two big financial houses in New York, which will place practically unlimited capital at the disposal of the new American-German shipping combine. In the summer and fall of 1942, Congress, under the authority of the Trading With the Enemy Act, seized the first group of entities, the UBC, the Holland-American Trading Corporation, and the Hamburg-American Line. Buchanans diligence has discovered that the latter reportedly smuggled Nazi spies into the U.S. before the war and encouraged U.S. Patriots to travel to Germany and proselytize for Hitler in the early 1930s.

Much of this is confirmed by the new documentation. The UBC was not a bank at all but in reality a clearing house for many assets and enterprises held by Fritz Thyssen, a German steel magnate who has written about his role in helping to finance the Third Reich. Located close to Bushs 59 Wall Street office, it was founded in 1924 by W. Averell Harriman on behalf of Thyssen and his Bank voor Handel en Scheepvaart N. V. of Holland. The UBC was seized by the United States under Vesting Order 248 on October 20, 1942, and, according to Buchanan, Bush and Harriman later received $1.5 million in compensation. Similar vesting orders leading to the divestiture of enemy national assets continued until well after the war. (A total of ten such vesting orders that indicate the firms investments are in the files in my possession.) Other holdings, associated with Bush, are more problematical, such as the relationship with the Silesian Holding Corporation and Consolidated Silesian Steel, which was bought from Thyssen in 1931.

In 1943, after press reports that the Polish mining interest was employing forced labor by using prisoners from the Auschwitz concentration camp, we are informed that Prescott Bush distanced himself from UBC and had even engaged in the collection of funds for the victims of the war in his role as president of the National War Fund. He had, in fact, taken over as head of the United Service Organizations soon after Pearl Harbor, raising millions for the National War Fund, according to Mickey Herskowitz, Prescotts recent biographer.

The declassified papers confirm questionable transactions in violation of the Trading With the Enemies Act, but, as with all examinations of corporate malfeasance, more is needed to establish individual responsibility. Buchanan himself, when pressed for more details about Auschwitz, was uncharacteristically hesitant. Consolidated Silesian was the only direct link to the notorious death camp. A file in the Library of Congress confirms the business part of the relationship, but does not give any financial details. More secretive, says Buchanan, is where the cloaking arrangement with Sullivan and Cromwell and Schroeder Rock, which is the Schroeder Bank and the Rockefeller family trust and investment arrangement that links to the Rockefeller dealings (which John Loftus has written about) to the New York banks, some of which had to do with I. G. Farben through City National Bank of New York in back of those transactions. Buchanan contends that there are also records involving the City National Bank, which he cites as definitely the hot-blood area for all the Nazi money, especially I. G. Farben and Hermann Schmidt, the infamous managing director of I. G. Farben, which was represented in court by Dulless Sullivan and Cromwell.

Their relationship with German enterprises, moreover, began during the years of Germanys Weimar Republic, well before Hitler's rise. An international investment banking firm, they also did business with the Soviets during the 1920s (which was not in violation of any statute), and, all in all, with forty-five different countries. Their correspondent relationships spanned the world and numbered some five thousand, according to Walter Isaacson and Evan Thomas's The Wise Men, transactions that hardly were confined to Nazis or the Soviet Union.


Thank you for the kind words and for giving a damn, sofa king. I've been around DU long enough to know when it comes to battling the Reich, you are no slouch.
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 11:50 AM
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18. Bush-Nazi Dealings Continued Until 1951 Federal Documents

by John Buchanan and Stacey Michael,
Exclusive to The New Hampshire Gazette, Vol. 248, No. 3, November 7, 2003

After the seizures in late 1942 of five U.S. enterprises he managed on behalf of Nazi industrialist Fritz Thyssen, Prescott Bush, the grandfather of President George W. Bush, failed to divest himself of more than a dozen "enemy national" relationships that continued until as late as 1951, newly-discovered U.S. government documents reveal.

Furthermore, the records show that Bush and his colleagues routinely attempted to conceal their activities from government investigators.

Bush's partners in the secret web of Thyssen-controlled ventures included former New York Governor W. Averell Harriman and his younger brother, E. Roland Harriman. Their quarter-century of Nazi financial transactions, from 1924-1951, were conducted by the New York private banking firm, Brown Brothers Harriman.

The White House did not return phone calls seeking comment.

Although the additional seizures under the Trading with the Enemy Act did not take place until after the war, documents from The National Archives and Library of Congress confirm that Bush and his partners continued their Nazi dealings unabated. These activities included a financial relationship with the German city of Hanover and several industrial concerns. They went undetected by investigators until after World War Two.

At the same time Bush and the Harrimans were profiting from their Nazi partnerships, W. Averell Harriman was serving as President Franklin Delano Roosevelt's personal emissary to the United Kingdom during the toughest years of the war. On October 28, 1942, the same day two key Bush-Harriman-run businesses were being seized by the U.S. government, Harriman was meeting in London with South African Field Marshall Smuts to discuss the war effort.

Denial and Deceit

While Harriman was concealing his Nazi relationships from his government colleagues, Cornelius Livense, the top executive of the interlocking German concerns held under the corporate umbrella of Union Banking Corporation (UBC), repeatedly tried to mislead investigators, and was sometimes supported in his subterfuge by Brown Brothers Harriman.

All of the assets of UBC and its related businesses belonged to Thyssen-controlled enterprises, including his Bank voor Handel en Scheepvaart in Rotterdam, the documents state.

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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 09:53 PM
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26. The Dutch Connection: How a famous American family made its fortune from the Nazis
This was front page news in the nation's oldest newspaper, the New Hampshire Gazette. But other than that, zilch.

Note: This article's author, John Loftus, is a former U.S. Department of Justice Nazi War Crimes prosecutor, the President of the Florida Holocaust Museum and the highly respected author of numerous books on the CIA-Nazi connection including The Belarus Secret and The Secret War Against the Jews, both of which have extensive material on the Bush-Rockefeller-Nazi connection.

Copyright September 27, 2000
by Attorney John Loftus

The Dutch Connection

How a famous American family
made its fortune from the Nazis

For the Bush family, it is a lingering nightmare. For their Nazi clients, the Dutch connection was the mother of all money laundering schemes. From 1945 until 1949, one of the lengthiest and, it now appears, most futile interrogations of a Nazi war crimes suspect began in the American Zone of Occupied Germany. Multibillionaire steel magnate Fritz Thyssen-the man whose steel combine was the cold heart of the Nazi war machine-talked and talked and talked to a joint US-UK interrogation team. For four long years, successive teams of inquisitors tried to break Thyssen's simple claim to possess neither foreign bank accounts nor interests in foreign corporations, no assets that might lead to the missing billions in assets of the Third Reich. The inquisitors failed utterly.

Why? Because what the wily Thyssen deposed was, in a sense, true. What the Allied investigators never understood was that they were not asking Thyssen the right question. Thyssen did not need any foreign bank accounts because his family secretly owned an entire chain of banks. He did not have to transfer his Nazi assets at the end of World War II, all he had to do was transfer the ownership documents - stocks, bonds, deeds and trusts--from his bank in Berlin through his bank in Holland to his American friends in New York City: Prescott Bush and Herbert Walker. Thyssen's partners in crime were the father and father-in-law of a future President of the United States.

The allied investigators underestimated Thyssen's reach, his connections, his motives, and his means. The web of financial entities Thyssen helped create in the 1920's remained a mystery for the rest of the twentieth century, an almost perfectly hidden underground sewer pipeline for moving dirty money, money that bankrolled the post-war fortunes not only of the Thyssen industrial empire...but the Bush family as well. It was a secret Fritz Thyssen would take to his grave.

It was a secret that would lead former US intelligence agent William Gowen, now pushing 80, to the very doorstep of the Dutch royal family. The Gowens are no strangers to controversy or nobility. His father was one of President Roosevelt's diplomatic emissaries to Pope Pius XII, leading a futile attempt to persuade the Vatican to denounce Hitler's treatment of Jews. It was his son, William Gowen, who served in Rome after World War II as a Nazi hunter and investigator with the U.S. Army Counter Intelligence Corps. It was Agent Gowen who first discovered the secret Vatican Ratline for smuggling Nazis in 1949. It was also the same William Gowen who began to uncover the secret Dutch pipeline for smuggling Nazi money in 1999.


We owe thanks to Agent Gowen. Unlike Bush and the BFEE, he has helped defend America.
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 05:36 PM
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24. Octafish, thank you for your always relevant historical posts. n/t
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 05:52 PM
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25. "they allow his grandson to speak at the Knesset?!"
Either the Israelis don't know about Busholini's Crime Family or they
don't care.
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ekwhite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 08:15 AM
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53. With one of the most renowned intelligence services in the world?
I doubt they don't know about something you can look up on Wikipedia. They don't want to mention that they are in bed with the grandson of a Nazi collaborator.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 08:23 AM
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54. Obviously, THEY don't care and why is that?
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Amonester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 08:52 AM
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57. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$++(R The$e The An$Wer Why?)
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 10:13 PM
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27. Our Nazi Allies
When it comes to the NAZIs and the CIA, the history is very, very disgusting. Of course, Big Oil, Wall Street and the CIA just happen to converge there, held together by a common thread named Bush.

Our Nazi allies

A German amateur investigator finds information on the U.S. government's friendly dealings with war criminals. Meanwhile, the FBI and CIA guard their records.

By Ken Silverstein

May 3, 2000 | WASHINGTON -- Dieter Maier, an amateur investigator working from his home on the outskirts of Frankfurt, Germany, has uncanny luck finding out about U.S. ties to the Nazis.

For the past 20 years, Maier has been filing a steady stream of requests for information to a variety of U.S. government agencies, largely for the existential pleasure of historical inquiry, and also out of a fear of a rebirth of Nazism, fascism and racism in Germany. The more he knows about the past, he says, the better prepared he is to deal with the future and present.

What is most startling about Maier's success, however, is that he appears to have had an easier time finding information on U.S. collaboration with Nazis after World War II than a committee appointed by Congress to extract the same controversial data.

Maier, through Freedom of Information Act requests, has unearthed new information on characters like Karl Heinz-Priester, one of the most prominent postwar neo-Nazi leaders. According to "The Biographical Dictionary of the Extreme Right," Priester, a former Waffen SS liaison officer, helped found the National Democratic Reich Party in 1949. After being expelled for his dictatorial tendencies, Priester set up the equally virulent German Social Movement and became a leading player in the international fascist movement.

Maier received files from U.S. Army Intelligence that show that Priester was on the U.S. payroll as an informant, a fact never before reported. Priester was terminated as a U.S. spy in 1959 when it was deemed that his usefulness was falling off, or as it was put on his file card: "Subject's services no longer needed. Production and performance poor." (The FOIA is, unfortunately, a hit-and-miss proposition. I also filed a request on Priester, and was sent, among other things, the identical file card -- with the notations identifying Priester as a U.S. agent blacked out.)

That U.S. officials collaborated with Nazis after World War II is, of course, well known. Just one day after Germany's surrender, on May 10, 1945, the Joint Chiefs of Staff ordered Gen. Dwight Eisenhower to arrest all suspected war criminals, though advising him "to make such exceptions as you deem advisable for intelligence and other military reasons." In other words, cut deals with war criminals who could be usefully employed by U.S. intelligence. Over the years, the United States found a spot on the payroll for thousands of former Nazis, especially as part of intelligence gathering operations aimed at the Soviet Union, our wartime ally but soon-to-be mortal foe.

Not much has been learned about these programs since, with successes such as Maier's rare. But that was supposed to change in the fall of 1998, when Congress passed the little-noticed Nazi War Crimes Disclosure Act. It requires government agencies to turn over to the National Archives all files relating to Nazi looting and war crimes, including documents that detail American ties to Nazi war criminals.


Still, there are no encouraging precedents for this degree of disclosure. "From the end of World War II to Vietnam to Iran-Contra -- you name it and (the CIA) lied about it," says Christopher Simpson, author of "Blowback," the definitive book so far on U.S. collaboration with the Nazis.


Thanks for giving a damn and the kind words, Blue_In_AK.
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 10:26 PM
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28. Oh, you're most welcome.
I always look forward to reading your posts. Sometimes we get so caught up in our little day-to-day issues that we fail to see the bigger picture. You're definitely a "big picture" kind of person, and I really appreciate that.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 10:47 PM
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30. Thanks, Blue! It's one of the good things about getting old...
...seeing the big picture get painted.

And here are some of the most important things I've seen framed:

The Nazi Connection to the JFK Assassination

The following articles and excerpts document the Nazi connection to the JFK assassination.

Excerpt From "The Nazi Connection to the John F. Kennedy Assassination"
(c) 1983 LFP, Inc.
(from The Rebel, Nov. 22, 1983)
Reprinted in "The Mae Brussel Reader"
(c) 1991 Prevailing Winds Research
P.O. Box 23511
Santa Barbara, CA 93121
Send for their catalog, you will enjoy it!

1963: A Few Connections in Dallas

Gen. Walter Dornberger, Michael and Ruth Paine

When George de Mohrenschildt was busy introducing Lee and Marina to the Dallas-Ft. Worth White Russian displaced Czarists, he managed to keep the social level equal with his American contacts. One casual dinner in the company of Michael and Ruth Paine, and that was enough meeting to set the Oswald's course. George and Jeane didn't have to meet with them again.

Ruth Paine would provide housing for Marina while Lee went to New Orleans. A few weeks later, she drove Marina to join Lee. After summer vacation at Wood's Hole, Mass., Ruth returned and brought Marina to her home in Irving, Texas, while Lee was on the bus to Mexico with Albert Osborne/John Bowen, and four other Solidarists from the Russian network. After Kennedy was murdered, the Dallas police rushed to the Paine's home. From that garage and elsewhere, via the Paines, came most of the incriminating evidence against Oswald. The alleged murder weapon never could be proven by the Warren Commission as ever having come from their garage.

The cropped photo that Life printed with Oswald holding a rifle came from a box removed from the garage, taken to the police department, then returned the next day, with nobody present to indicate where it came from.

Accessory after the fact, the letter was delivered to Marina in December undated and unsigned, to cover up General Walker's anxiety to blame a "Communist,' Lee, for shooting at him in April and came from Ruth to Marina. It wasn't in the home before then. The Warren Commission required planted evidence sometimes in order to divert from Lee Oswald's links to the Defense Department, assisted by Ruth and Michael Paine.

Michael Paine's occupation at Bell Aircraft is the Defense Department. This job requires security clearances, so what would the unlikely Oswalds be doing in his home? Oswald, the "defector?" Paine's boss at Bell Aircraft as Director of Research and Development, was none other than the notorious war criminal General Walter Dornberger. Dornberger was supposed to be hanged at Nuremburg for his war crimes, slave labor and mass murders. The British warned the U.S. not to let him live because even after the war he was conniving for another one. As stated, "Dornberger is a menace of the first order who is untrustworthy. His attitude will turn ally against ally and he would become a source of irritation and future unrest." (Project Paperclip, Clarence Lansey.)

The very first call to authorities after the gun went off on November 22, 1963, was from an employee at Bell Helicopter who suggested "Oswald did it." Police never located the source of both Oswald addresses that day.

Michael Paine took Lee to a meeting with General Edwin Walker shortly before the assassination. Soon Oswald would be charged with having shot Walker in April, and Walker would be calling his nazi cronies in Germany 24 hours after JFK was killed telling them he finally solved "who shot through his window" seven months earlier: the same Oswald.


Guess who's name shows up in regards to Nov. 22, 1963?

In the hour of the death of President John F. Kennedy, ostensible Texas oilman George Herbert Walker Bush named a suspect to the FBI in a "confidential" phone call. He then added he was heading for Dallas. Skeptics need not take my word for it, that's what Poppy told the FBI:





At 1:45 p.m. Mr. GEORGE H. W. BUSH, President of the Zapata Off-Shore Drilling Company, Houston, Texas, residence 5525 Briar, Houston, telephonically furnished the following information to writer by long distance telephone call from Tyler, Texas.

BUSH stated that he wanted to be kept confidential but wanted to furnish hearsay that he recalled hearing in recent weeks, the day and source unknown. He stated that one JAMES PARROTT has been talking of killing the President when he comes to Houston.

BUSH stated that PARROTT is possibly a student at the University of Houston and is active in political matters in this area. He stated that he felt Mrs. FAWLEY, telephone number SU 2-5239, or ARLINE SMITH, telephone number JA 9-9194 of the Harris County Republican Party Headquarters would be able to furnish additional information regarding the identity of PARROTT.

BUSH stated that he was proceeding to Dallas, Texas, would remain in the Sheraton-Dallas Hotel and return to his residence on 11-23-63. His
office telephone number is CA 2-0395.

# # #

Gee. Why was Poppy Bush in Dallas when JFK was assassinated?

Could it be, he was on official business? I suspect he was on Secret Government business. After all, his eldest son bragged during his Texas Air National Guard and Harvard grad school days that his daddy was CIA.

Here's an FBI document from the same week of the assassination in which FBI Director J Edgar Hoover briefed one "Mr. George Bush of the Central Intelligence Agency." Some strange coincidence there, wot?


Date: November 29, 1963

To: Director
Bureau of Intelligence and Research
Department of State

From: John Edgar Hoover, Director

NOVEMBER 22, 1963

Our Miami, Florida, Office on November 23, 1963, advised that the Office of Coordinator of Cuban Affairs in Miami advised that the Department of State feels some misguided anti-Castro group might capitalize on the present situation and undertake an unauthorized raid against Cuba, believing that the assassination of President John F. Kennedy might herald a change in U. S. policy, which is not true.

Our sources and informants familiar with Cuban matters in the Miami area advise that the general feeling in the anti-Castro Cuban community is one of stunned disbelief and, even among those who did not entirely agree with the President's policy concerning Cuba, the feeling is that the President's death represents a great loss not only to the U. S. but to all of Latin America. These sources know of no plans for unauthorized action against Cuba.

An informant who has furnished reliable information in the past and who is close to a small pro-Castro group in Miami has advised that these individuals are afraid that the assassination of the President may result in strong repressive measures being taken against them and, although pro-Castro in their feelings, regret the assassination.

The substance of the foregoing information was orally furnished to Mr. George Bush of the Central Intelligence Agency and Captain William Edwards of the Defense Intelligence Agency on November 23, 1963, by Mr. W. T. Forsyth of this Bureau.

# # #

My Friend, Blue_In_AK: What a coincidence it is that CIA, NAZIs, Big Business, Big Oil, the KKK and the Rabid Right would overlap at Bush. The picture sickens my stomach.

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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 10:54 PM
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32. Mine, too, Octafish,
And I'm so afraid that they will escape justice yet again. Do you see any hope?
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 11:03 PM
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35. Yes, I do.
There are many, many good people working in government.
I believe they outnumber the crazy monkey's henchmen.

If, and this is a big "if," we get an honest Attorney General in the mold of RFK,
then we might see these turds get the book thrown at them.

The last guy to try was Jimmy Carter.
He even tried to appoint Ted Sorensen as Director of Central Intelligence.
The conservatives killed that nomination ASAFP.

And then they got Carter with the secret dealings with the Ayatollah holding the hostages before the election.
I have no proof, but I wouldn't put it past the people who control Poppy and Smirko to have arranged the original embassy siege.

What's different now is we have the Internet.
Along with all that porno and hate, those tubes carry truth.
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Festivito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 01:01 PM
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62. GHWB claims "CIA George Bush" at Bay of Pigs was not him.
The Bay of Pigs George Bush failed to call for support and botched the raid. GHW Bush claimed it wasn't him.

Add, the picture in front of the Book Depository Building before the assassination showing a tall man looking a lot like GHWB is claimed by GHWB not to be himself either.

(Reminiscent of Ashcroft saying that guy passing out the white supremacist literature wasn't him either. Maybe it's a RW thing.)

Will we prosecute? The political class avoids prosecuting each other in a way similar to police avoiding prosecution of each other in a way similar to journalists not wanting prosecutions of fellow journalists. It takes a big push that comes with a lot of squimish questions.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 10:29 PM
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29. Link?
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 10:55 PM
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34. Link? I got your link right here.

Pruneface was a NAZI. Jane and Priscilla were all right, though.

Nazi Propaganda by Joseph Goebbels: 1933-1945

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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 07:54 AM
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51. Reagone was the ultimate propagandist.
The former spokesperson for GE (and facilitator of their weaponry and rampant plant offshoring) became the smiling wooden face behind an ugly American undertone of hatred, bigotry, fearmongering and fundamentalism.

Symbolman had an informative Flash of the "Great Communicator" but it seems Take Back the Media is unfortunately dead.
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 10:52 PM
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31. How Bush's grandfather helped Hitler's rise to power (The Guardian UK, 2004)
How Bush's grandfather helped Hitler's rise to power

Rumours of a link between the US first family and the Nazi war machine have circulated for decades. Now the Guardian can reveal how repercussions of events that culminated in action under the Trading with the Enemy Act are still being felt by today's president

Ben Aris in Berlin and Duncan Campbell in Washington
The Guardian, Saturday September 25 2004

George Bush's grandfather, the late US senator Prescott Bush, was a director and shareholder of companies that profited from their involvement with the financial backers of Nazi Germany.
The Guardian has obtained confirmation from newly discovered files in the US National Archives that a firm of which Prescott Bush was a director was involved with the financial architects of Nazism.

His business dealings, which continued until his company's assets were seized in 1942 under the Trading with the Enemy Act, has led more than 60 years later to a civil action for damages being brought in Germany against the Bush family by two former slave labourers at Auschwitz and to a hum of pre-election controversy.

The evidence has also prompted one former US Nazi war crimes prosecutor to argue that the late senator's action should have been grounds for prosecution for giving aid and comfort to the enemy.

(see full text)

Three sets of archives spell out Prescott Bush's involvement. All three are readily available, thanks to the efficient US archive system and a helpful and dedicated staff at both the Library of Congress in Washington and the National Archives at the University of Maryland.

The first set of files, the Harriman papers in the Library of Congress, show that Prescott Bush was a director and shareholder of a number of companies involved with Thyssen.

The second set of papers, which are in the National Archives, are contained in vesting order number 248 which records the seizure of the company assets. What these files show is that on October 20 1942 the alien property custodian seized the assets of the UBC, of which Prescott Bush was a director. Having gone through the books of the bank, further seizures were made against two affiliates, the Holland-American Trading Corporation and the Seamless Steel Equipment Corporation. By November, the Silesian-American Company, another of Prescott Bush's ventures, had also been seized.

The third set of documents, also at the National Archives, are contained in the files on IG Farben, who was prosecuted for war crimes.

A report issued by the Office of Alien Property Custodian in 1942 stated of the companies that "since 1939, these (steel and mining) properties have been in possession of and have been operated by the German government and have undoubtedly been of considerable assistance to that country's war effort".

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Broadslidin Donating Member (949 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 07:52 AM
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49. Why has the Democratic Party protected the Bush family since the FDR Coup attempt in 1933...?
With an easily manipulated entrenched two political party biz..

the founding feudal father's corporate controlled constitution
protection racket
continues to function just fine.
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BlueJac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 11:08 PM
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36. hi
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 12:29 AM
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37. I wonder
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New Dawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 01:20 AM
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39. Kick for truth!
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Snarkoleptic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 01:36 AM
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40. Wow...just wow!
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 02:42 AM
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41. K&R. Thanks for keeping this alive. Bush and Hitler in the 1930's is like Bush and bin Laden today.
I posted along this line yesterday and appreciate your keeping it alive.

Since Bush brought up Hitler, I think that it should be open season now on Burt Walker and Prescott Bush.
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judasdisney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 04:25 AM
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42. I'm so fucking sick of Democrats refusing to link Bush to his Nazi history & to the Bin Ladens
The GOP would never hesitate to use such historical facts.

But EVERY Democratic politician refuses to touch it.

I can't wait to get the fuck out of this shithole country.
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IamyourTVandIownyou Donating Member (446 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 04:56 AM
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43. Prescott and Richard
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flashl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 05:34 AM
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44. The Bush-Hitler-Nazi history makes the National Guard story appear to be a bit tame. No? nt
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ForeignSpectator Donating Member (970 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 06:33 AM
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45. How come there is only 40 recommends for this??? n/t
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 08:09 AM
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52. Here is one more recommend.

America 2008 is Germany 1930

By Norman Livergood


President Franklin Roosevelt's Alien Property Custodian, Leo T. Crowley, signed Vesting Order Number 248 seizing the property of Prescott Bush under the Trading with the Enemy Act. The order, published in obscure government record books and kept out of the news, explained nothing about the Nazis involved; only that the Union Banking Corporation was run for the Thyssen family of Germany and/or Hungary, nationals of a designated enemy country

This act by the U.S. government made it clear that Prescott Bush and the other directors of the Union Banking Corporation were in essence front men for the Nazis. By keeping news of this seizure quiet, the American government avoided the more important issue: in what way were Hitler and his Nazi cohorts set up, armed, and supported by the New York and London cartel of which Prescott Bush was an executive manager?

On Oct. 28, 1942, the U.S. government issued orders seizing two Nazi front organizations run by the Bush-Harriman bank: the Holland-American Trading Corporation and the Seamless Steel Equipment Corporation. Nazi interests in the Silesian-American Corporation, long managed by Prescott Bush and his father-in-law, George Herbert Walker, were seized under the Trading with the Enemy Act on November 17, 1942. In this action, the government announced that it was seizing only the Nazi interests, leaving the Nazis' U.S. partners to carry on the business.

These were actions taken by the U.S. government during wartime, but Prescott Bush and his collaborators had already played a central role in financing and arming Adolf Hitler for his takeover of Germany. Harriman, Bush and the other cabal puppets had financed the buildup of Nazi war industries for the conquest of Europe and war against the U.S. They had also helped in the development of Nazi genocide theories and racial propaganda, with the slave labor and extermination camps as the result.

The cabal that controls America has moved as rapidly as possible to bring about the same conditions of dictatorship and fascism in the U.S. as it did in Nazi Germany in the 1930s. The first major thrust toward fascism began during the Bush takeover of the Reagan presidency. During Bush Senior's (second) presidency he pulled off the Iran-Contra drugs-for-weapons crime, the savings-and-loan heist, the illegal use of U.S. military force to protect Bush's criminal collaboration with Manuel Noriega, his man in Panama, and many other crimes of state.
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OnyxCollie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 07:31 AM
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46. K&R. nt
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 07:39 AM
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47. k&r

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moondust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 08:23 AM
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55. How much of it is in GWB's trust fund?
Not years ago--right now?

How much of the Bush family's Nazi gold was employed in the political campaigns of GHWB and/or GWB?
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 09:05 AM
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58. America had better wake up and smell the BUSHit!
The best place to hide anything, like a NAZI for instance, is right out in the open, like in and around the White House.

Let's see now...

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism - Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays. TOP

2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights - Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.

3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause - The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.

4. Supremacy of the Military - Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.

5. Rampant Sexism - The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Divorce, abortion and homosexuality are suppressed and the state is represented as the ultimate guardian of the family institution.

6. Controlled Mass Media - Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.

7. Obsession with National Security - Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.

8. Religion and Government are Intertwined - Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.

9. Corporate Power is Protected - The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.

10. Labor Power is Suppressed - Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed.

11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts - Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts and letters is openly attacked.

12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment - Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.

13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption - Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.

14. Fraudulent Elections - Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.

Wow...if it looks like a NAZI and it conducts itself and it's business like a NAZI, then it probably is a NAZI!
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MinM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 10:19 AM
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60. Appeasement v Active Support
You have to give Dubya one thing.

Has anyone else in History had the audacity, and unmitigated gall, to accuse others of appeasement while having a personal history of Actively Supporting Terrorists?
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glowing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 10:20 AM
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61. Wow, bet Bush wishes he hadn't mentioned Hitler...
Ya'll have been doing your research.. I am always so surprised at how many people out here know about these connections.. and that people who aren't always political know these connections. This country is waking up. Thank you Internets.. you've done a good job at exposing some awful stuff.
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 07:22 PM
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63. actually carried a rather superficial A.P. account in 2003. Carefully whitewashed..

Documents: Bush's Grandfather Directed Bank Tied to Man Who Funded Hitler

WASHINGTON President Bush's grandfather was a director of a bank seized by the federal government because of its ties to a German industrialist who helped bankroll Adolf Hitler's rise to power, government documents show.
Friday, October 17, 2003

Prescott Bush (search) was one of seven directors of Union Banking Corp. (search), a New York investment bank owned by a bank controlled by the Thyssen family, according to recently declassified National Archives documents reviewed by The Associated Press.

Fritz Thyssen (search) was an early financial supporter of Hitler, whose Nazi party Thyssen believed was preferable to communism. The documents do not show any evidence Bush directly aided that effort. His position with Union Banking never was a political issue for Bush, who was elected to the Senate from Connecticut in 1952.

(see story)

The new documents were first reported by freelance writer John Buchanan in The New Hampshire Gazette.,2933,100474,00.html

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