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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 11:42 AM
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Cantelope $3.89 a piece? Fuck, we'll be carrying sacks on a stick and begging at the back doors of
the "haves" pretty soon!

A crappy bagel costs $.69 and a crappier muffin is $1.49 at the supermarket. A 16 oz can of soup is $2.19...for broth and a few pieces of pasta. Brown rice is $1.79 lb and bread and milk are near $4.00. Why are we not taking to the streets with this? I despise this administration. DESPISE them. I hope they pay in hell.
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Waya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 11:44 AM
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1. Looked at Watermelons, yesterday........
...........small ones - $6.99 and less small ones (can't call them big, really - $7.99. Last year you could get them for $4.99 and they were huge......insane....
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Sabriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 11:45 AM
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2. And people wonder why the poor have diets lacking in proper nutrition
Edited on Mon May-12-08 11:46 AM by Sabriel
Ya think expensive fruits and veggies have anything to do with it?

Joining you in your Despise-athon.
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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 11:47 AM
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4. No shit. The junk food aisle prices are cheap.
Hell, a 16 oz bag of imitation chocolate candy $.89. Twinkies are still cheap enough. Why not buy em by the case?
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 12:47 PM
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42. well we know where they are coming from when they
Edited on Mon May-12-08 12:49 PM by alyce douglas
keep junk food prices down, they are treating us with such vile and disrespect.
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unkachuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 10:52 PM
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97. yes sir....
....junk food today is like yesterday's cigarettes....make it cheap, encourage their use and watch the peasants drop like flies (after we work the shit out of 'em for a few decades, of course)

....capitalism gives me such a warm feeling inside....
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 11:51 AM
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6. Shhhhh! It's popular on DU to bash us poor folk --- it IS our fault, doncha know!
:mad:
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kath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 12:01 PM
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11. bullshit.
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countryjake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 12:19 PM
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24. what in the world are you talking about?
I've been absent for some time...where has this bashing been going on?
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 12:24 PM
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30. ...
:shrug: All in the mind.
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distantearlywarning Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 12:32 PM
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35. Actually, I've seen it on numerous occasions here.
Edited on Mon May-12-08 12:32 PM by distantearlywarning
It will probably even crop up in this thread eventually.

They usually start out with something innocuous like, "Beans and lentils are both cheap and nutritious! Why don't you just eat that every day of the week?" and then get progressively nastier and more blaming when they are argued with.

Just wait. You'll see it.

(I'm neither poor or one of the people who have personally experienced this on DU, BTW. I've just seen it in a number of threads in the past.)
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 01:31 PM
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63. Thank you for inserting some reality.
It's very sad that there are "progressives" who like to hold themselves as superior to poor folk, and it's even sadder that other "progressives" will deny it goes on.

I thank you. :hi:
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Sabriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 01:37 PM
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65. Yep, there's a couple in this thread already. n/t
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 10:41 PM
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94. GD: P
Poor people are horrible racist wretched people, according to lots and lots of GD:P posters.
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countryjake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 05:52 PM
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114. thanks for the reply...I never did go into that pit of vipers anyway. n/t
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LibDemAlways Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 11:46 AM
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3. A single ear of corn $1.00. It's crazy.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 11:54 AM
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8. They were $2 for six last week at Publix
People need to learn to shop smart. Stock up on items which are on sale and use coupons.
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distantearlywarning Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 12:35 PM
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36. That doesn't make sense given your example though.
Edited on Mon May-12-08 12:38 PM by distantearlywarning
If I'm poor and I'm trying to be smart by "stocking up" on fresh corn on sale, how should I keep it so it lasts me the rest of the month??? This is the quandary with fresh produce...

And I haven't been able to use a single coupon for just about anything other than non-food household items since we started cooking using whole foods rather than processed stuff. They don't print coupons for strawberries or salmon or asparagus. They only print coupons for oreos and boxed mac & cheese and Stove Top and crap like that.

(Not complaining here - I can afford to buy 3.89 cantaloupe even though I don't like it. I just don't think that this is a reasonable suggestion for people who are struggling when the topic du jour is produce.)
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latebloomer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 04:07 PM
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80. yeah, I don't get that coupon-clipping stuff
and how people say they save so much money that way.

It's mostly for junk food or overly-processed stuff. The household cleaners are still more expensive, even with the coupon, than the house brand. It only works if you're attached to a specific brand- like shampoo, for example.
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Retrograde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 07:59 PM
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87. I never see coupons for broccoli
or other fresh fruits and vegetables. I read about people who hit the groceries with stacks of coupons and supposedly end up paying $1.95 for a cartload of groceries, but every time I get coupons they're for things I don't buy in the first place.

One store I frequent does have a marked-down meats locker that I do check, and I will buy one type of vegetable over another if it's on sale, but unless you have a large freezer or like canning they're not the kind of things to stock up on. There's a chain in the area catering to the Asian population that has good prices on vegetables, but they're sold packaged in large quantities that are too big to use before they go bad, although Mr. Retrograde did make kim chee with the remains of the huge bag of bok choy.
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newfie11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 06:48 AM
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104. smart by "stocking up" on fresh corn on sale, how should I keep it so it lasts me the rest of the mo
The answer is blanch it and throw it in the freezer
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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 11:54 AM
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10. I love the way they chage produce by the pound and then wrap them in plastic
so you can break up the bunches. Bastards. Plus, have you noticed a lot of produce is old...greens have brownish edges, etc.
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durablend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 12:03 PM
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13. Stores are keeping a LOT until it rots
Only when it starts getting really bad do they stick them with the markdowns (and even then at a ridiculous price, more often than not).
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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 12:09 PM
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18. I worked in produce several years ago and I could not believe the amounts
of vegetable and fruit they threw out at the end of the day. And their policy at the time was to not give any of it to food kitchens or churches. Now they just sell it with the fruit flies on it.
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Ellen Forradalom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 11:48 AM
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5. Agreed. I can't believe these produce prices.
I shell out for it, but then, I CAN. I count my blessings and am angry on behalf of those whom it really pinches.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 11:52 AM
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7. Thank you for your anger. We feel very alone and isolated.
:(
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Ellen Forradalom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 02:16 PM
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67. Healthy eating is the cornerstone of healthy living.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 03:30 PM
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78. .
????????????????
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Ellen Forradalom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 05:27 PM
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84. If people can't even eat healthily
then we got a big-ass problem in this country!

Sorry if I was a bit brief. Awful busy today.
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Ellen Forradalom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 07:31 PM
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86. Truth be told, I'm one of these idiotfucks
who thinks Trader Joe's is economical, so clearly I haven't "gotten it" in many years. But I look at wages, and I look at the price of food, housing and gas, and it sure as shit ain't adding up for a whole lot of people.
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Waya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 11:54 AM
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9. I got hostile in the toilet paper section..........
...12 roll pack of my usual brand - $8.76. Screw that - it goes down the crapper, ferchrissakes, I'll be damned if I pay that. Family will have to get used to flimsy I guess. Meat aisle should have a loan counter right next to it so I can take out a mortgage to get some damn chops..... Milk - hell, a few bucks more and I could get a dang cow..... eggs - do we have a shortage of laying hens?
I hate to go to the grocery store anymore - it seems these days we'll have the same menu rotation week after week - but I guess we're lucky to still be able to eat something.
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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 12:03 PM
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12. We're living on split pea soup, lentil soup, rock soup...whatever.
Yeah, the toilet paper thing is sickening. Better off using a pressure cleaner.
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durablend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 12:05 PM
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16. Prices of eggs have come down
Now they're just ridiculous instead of obscene.
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Waya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 12:07 PM
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17. It may come to that, yet.....
......save the leaves and pine cones in the fall ....... sheeeeeeeeeesh! Well, I guess the ancestor did it - we can too.
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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 12:10 PM
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19. Ha! Eat pine cones AND use them as toilet paper!
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durablend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 12:11 PM
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20. Three seashells!
:rofl:
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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 12:14 PM
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22. Or just drag your butt across the lawn.
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Waya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 12:18 PM
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23. ROFL.........ah geeeeez........
....hey, we know how to help ourselves, eh ?
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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 12:19 PM
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26. We're survivors.
We've had near 8 years experience with morons, defectives and psychopaths running the country.
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Waya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 12:23 PM
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28. Damn right!
......... that's one thing we will always have an advantage over the rich folks with - our world doesn't come to an end when we have to do with less - we got practice......
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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 12:27 PM
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32. The rich will never, ever want for anything.
Except services from us, that is. Fight Club....(I didn't say that)
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 12:53 PM
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45. the rich wouldn't know how to survive cause they have had it good
for so long. They will learn the hard way, they think they are blessed for their wealth, total BS!!!
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 12:53 PM
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46. who have been shitting on us every day..
hey...that gives me an idea.......
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Pierogi_Pincher Donating Member (323 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 10:15 AM
Response to Reply #22
111. I haven't contributed any posts of substance
for awhile (mb never, come to think of it), but lookit what I respond to??
The kitty drug her sweet lil butt across the floor the other day, 'n' me & hub were checkin' out her technique.

P_P
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Gato Moteado Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 12:05 PM
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14. a friend of mine was visiting canada and she said a head of lettuce is $5 there.....
....is that true? who the hell would pay $5 for a head of lettuce?

food prices have gone up down here in costa rica too. but i don't pay more than 20 or 30 cents for a head of romaine lettuce. and i can still get hass avocadoes for 40 or 50 cents each (they used to be about 20 cents each) and there's no ration on rice. of course we make less money than you folks in the states, but still at least we can afford produce.

i don't know what i'd do if i were still living in the states. i do know that i'm going to start a huge organic garden on one of my properties down here. i'm already growing citrus, bananas, mangoes, avocadoes and stuff like that. i've got a mountain of compost cooking as we speak and as soon as it's ready i'm putting in a giant raised bed garden for tomatoes, peppers, lettuce and other stuff. even though it's still affordable here, i'm concerned about pesticide use, herbicide use and general soil quality where the farming is done.
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DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 12:05 PM
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15. When I was a kid we never saw any cantaloupe (or corn) until, at least, July.
You're paying for transportation from Mexico, California, Central and South America. Granted, the other things mentioned are entirely too expensive, but you could save a lot cash by buying "in-season" fruits and vegetables - then buy your rice, flour, etc... in bulk and share the cost with other friends/families.
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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 12:12 PM
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21. I haven't had canteloupe for years based on the price.
Only when they sell them at 2 for $3.00. And this is MacIntosh apple country. Cripes, they are $3.49 lb.
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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 12:55 PM
Response to Reply #15
49. You got it.
Exactly.


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Winterblues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 12:19 PM
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25. Is this at all surprising to you? ~ Oil at $126. per barrel
The price of fuel effects everything we buy.. Everything is trucked to the store or market and fresh foods need fuel to harvest..It is only gouing to get worse unless Bush* were to be Impeached. That would have an immediate effect upon fuel prices and consumer confidence..
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siligut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 12:20 PM
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27. Hell is too good for them!
Edited on Mon May-12-08 12:35 PM by siligut
In the shadow of corruption. I recognize that oil prices have caused production costs to rise. But I also think that the blatant and seemingly carefree corruption that grips our country has some people/corporations thinking that they are going to get theirs now too. The economy is now a free-for-all cluster fuck.
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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 12:26 PM
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31. No one is minding the store!
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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 12:24 PM
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29. Leeks (bunch of three) -- $5.99 at my local Krogers last week.
Ridiculous!

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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 12:29 PM
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33. And I love leeks.
How about them vidalia's? Take a loan out for those, too?
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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 12:41 PM
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39. bought Vidalias at my local produce store for $.59/lb.
I don't buy produce at the chains. All of 'em are way too high.

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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 12:43 PM
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41. I'm gonna rejoin a food co-op for certain things.
Buy large bulk items and split the costs.
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 02:47 PM
Response to Reply #39
74. You can buy them on the side of the road in Vidalia, Texas
REALLY cheap. Luckily I have that option.
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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 02:57 PM
Response to Reply #39
77. The non-corporate places are still ok. I have plenty of little
Asian and other ethnic shops here around Philadelphia to get cheap stuff at. The corporate chains are WAYYYY too much now!
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countryjake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 12:29 PM
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34. We already have folk knocking asking for stuff...
and I live out in the boonies. Last year, a couple stopped by while I was out in the garden and I ended up sending them home with a box full of fresh produce...didn't know them from adam, but they needed money for food.

This year, a fellow canvased our neighborhood, asking for financial help. Money I can't give, but he got a handout from my freezer, for supper, and advice on where he and his family can volunteer to get help with weekly groceries.

People are hungry as hell in this "land of plenty" and it will take more than a mere change in administrations to fix that!
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Gato Moteado Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 12:37 PM
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37. are the freeptards feeling the same crunch? and what are they saying?
i gotta believe the average freeper earns a lot less than the average DUer. DUers tend to be much more intelligent and resourceful and so i assume have more economic opportunities. yes, i realize we have people here at DU that are struggling horribly right now, but we're so diverse and we have so many hi tech professionals and other white collar people here that the average salary is probably very respectable.

freeptards on the other hand seem to be less intelligent, less educated, and less likely to hold down a high paying job.

i have to believe freeptards are getting their asses kicked by the food price crisis much more than DUers. how are they justifying the huge oil company profits that are costing them so much for fuel and food?
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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 12:39 PM
Response to Reply #37
38. Freeptards it shit, so they should be fine.
Bwahahahahahahahaha!
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Gato Moteado Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 12:42 PM
Response to Reply #38
40. and they sure do have plenty of shit to eat!
nt
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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 12:48 PM
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43. And being trolls, they are very close to the ground
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Gato Moteado Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 12:56 PM
Response to Reply #43
53. but seriously....i hope they're feeling every bit of this economy....
....they deserve it more than anyone since they're the ones that support the corporate whore party.
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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 01:01 PM
Response to Reply #53
58. They'll find some way to blame liberals.
But you're right, I hope they feel every minute of it.
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Dreamer Tatum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 01:08 PM
Response to Reply #37
60. By "freeptards" I assume you mean "Republicans"
I know a great many of them, and they hold down the same sorts of jobs for the same kind of pay as my dyed-in-the-wool
liberal friends. I've noticed that Republicans are more likely to blame the entire system for higher prices, when they complain
at all. I have heard one claim that it's Bill Clinton's fault, but when challenged, he went and hid.

I've noticed that the best way to smoke out a Republican is to ask them what they think of the weak dollar...those who
say it's a net good are Republicans, without fail.

ps - my most conservative "friend" (sparring partner) drives a Prius, whereas two of my most liberal friends drive a Yukon and a
1979 Lincoln, respectively. Can't always judge a book by its cover.
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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 01:10 PM
Response to Reply #60
61. True. Liberals and republicans look and act alike in northern NH
Most everyone drives a Subaru Forester or big pickup truck
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Dreamer Tatum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 01:25 PM
Response to Reply #61
62. It's when they start TALKING that they reveal themselves
Including this total a-hole on an airplane last week. Would not shut up about
"damned liberals." I felt sorry for the woman he was talking to...he was some
sort of political operative with no shame, no decorum, and no intuition about
when to shut the hell up.
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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 02:45 PM
Response to Reply #62
73. The ones up here write letters to the local paper and sign their real names
They're racists but they don't know it.
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 10:35 PM
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93. you won't believe it but here you go ..Warning RW lies within
Edited on Mon May-12-08 10:39 PM by proud patriot
(everything below these words are from a RW email sent to me ..Not My Words proud patriot)


-----This email comes in three parts: Read them all...



Part 1

In just one year. Remember the election in 2006?
Thought you might like to read the following:




A little over one year ago:
1) Consumer confidence stood at a 2 1/2 year high;
2) Regular gasoline sold for $2.19 a gallon;
3) The unemployment rate was 4.5%.

Since voting in a Democratic Congress in 2006 we have seen:
1) Consumer confidence plummet;
2) The cost of regular gasoline soar to over $3.50 a gallon;
3) Unemployment is up to 5% (a 10% increase);
4) American households have seen $2.3 trillion in equity value evaporate (stock and mutual fund losses);
5) Americans have seen their home equity drop by $1.2 trillion dollars;
6) 1% of American homes are in foreclosure.

America voted for change in 2006, and we got it!

Remember it's Congress that makes law not the President.

He has to work with what's handed to him.



Part 2:

Taxes...Whether Democrat or a Republican you will find these statistics enlightening and amazing.
www.taxfoundation.org/publications/show/151.html

Taxes under Clinton 1999 Taxes under Bush 2008
Single making 30K - tax $8,400 Single making 30K - tax $4,500
Single making 50K - tax $14,000 Single m aking 50K - tax $12,500
Single making 75K - tax $23,250 Single making 75K - tax $18,750
Married making 60K - tax $16,800 Married making 60K- tax $9,000
Married making 75K - tax $21,000 Married making 75K - tax $18,750
Married making 125K - tax $38,750 Married making 125K - tax $31,250



Both democratic candidates will return to the higher tax rates

It is amazing how many people that fall into the categories above think Bush is screwing them and Bill Clinton was the greatest President ever. If Obama or Hillary are elected, they both say they will repeal the Bush tax cuts and a good portion of the people that fall into the categories above can't wait for it to happen. This is like the movie The Sting with Paul Newman; you scam somebody out of some money and they don't even know what happened.





PART 3:

You think the war in Iraq is costing us too much?


Read this:
Boy am I confused. I have been hammered with the propaganda that it
is the Iraq war ($52B / Yr) and the war on terror ($40B / Yr) that is bankrupting us.

I now find that to be RIDICULOUS.


I hope the following 14 reasons are forwarded over and over again
until they are read so many times that the reader gets sick of reading them. I
have included the URL's for verification of all the following facts.





1. $11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to illegal aliens
each year by state governments.

Verify at:




2. $2.2 Billion dollars a year is spent on food assistance programs
such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for illegal aliens.

Verify at:




3. $2.5 Billion dollars a year is spent on Medicaid for illegal aliens.
Verify at:



4. $12 Billion dollars a year is spent on primary and secondary school
education for children here illegally and they cannot speak a word of English!





5. $17 Billion dollars a year is spent for education for the

American-born children of illegal aliens, known as anchor babies.





6. $3 Million Dollars a DAY is spent to incarcerate illegal aliens.





7. 30% percent of all Federal Prison inmates are illegal aliens.





8. $90 Billion Dollars a year is spent on illegal aliens for Welfare &
social services by the American taxpayers.






9. $200 Billion Dollars a year in suppressed American wages are caused
by the illegal aliens.






10. The illegal aliens in the United States have a crime rate
that's two and a half times that of white non-illegal aliens. In particular,
their children, are going to make a huge additional crime problem in the US





11. During the year of 2005 there were 4 to 10 MILLION illegal aliens
that crossed our Southern Border also, as many as 19,500 illegal aliens
from Terrorist Countries. Millions of pounds of drugs, cocaine, meth, heroin
and mariju ana, crossed into the U. S from the Southern border.






12. The National Policy Institute, 'estimated that the total
cost of mass deportation would be between $206 and $230 billion or an average
cost of between $41 and $46 billion annually over a five year period.'





13. In 2006 illegal aliens sent home $45 BILLION in remittances
back to their countries of origin.





14. 'The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration: Nearly One Million
Sex Crimes Committed by Illegal Immigrants In The United States.'





The total cost is a whopping $338.3 BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR.



Are we THAT stupid?


If this doesn't bother you then just delete the message. If, on the other
hand, if it does raise the hair on the back of your neck, I hope you
forward it to every legal resident in the country including every representative in Washington, D.C.





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lpbk2713 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 12:50 PM
Response to Original message
44. The hell with you people.


:sarcasm:

Bush had all the groceries he wanted and then
some at the pig farm this past weekend.








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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 12:54 PM
Response to Reply #44
47. He's a pea-brained fruit loop.
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BluePatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 12:54 PM
Response to Original message
48. *eats rice and beans for lunch*
Edited on Mon May-12-08 01:01 PM by BluePatriot
At least I made, like, a week's worth of pinto beans for maybe $3 worth of ingredients in the Crock-Pot, and the rice was $0.99/lb. This is my first attempt in a while to make dry beans and it was very easy.

Soaked beans (I heard this helps with gas but I guess I'll find out lol)
Chicken stock
Diced onions
Diced carrots
Turkey bacon
Salt and spices to taste

Cook on low 8-10 hours

mmm

*edit* ack, i just looked upthread. i'm not starting a bean flamewar, i swear! *ducks*
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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 12:55 PM
Response to Reply #48
51. Whole barley is even cheaper
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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 12:56 PM
Response to Reply #48
52. Dried beans are still a good bargain
and can be made lots of ways. And are low in sodium and high in fiber.

And there are loads of different kinds.


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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 12:57 PM
Response to Reply #52
54. Adzuki beans are the lowest in fat but high in protein.
They're great cooked with buttcup squash.
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 10:46 PM
Response to Reply #54
95. Yeah, right.
I'm not going back to those days, thanks! I'm a little old for that. ;-)
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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 06:23 AM
Response to Reply #95
102. bok bok bok
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deaniac21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 09:28 AM
Response to Reply #54
108. Somehow I can't see myself eating any buttcup.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 12:55 PM
Response to Original message
50. Hell, an apple is at least 75 cents
a BIG one is $1.50 or so

Think anyone is going to buy one if they are eating off $3 a day??
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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 12:57 PM
Response to Reply #50
55. Do they cost that much in season and locally?
I think many prices are related to the gas consumption in transporting produce to us right now from where ever they are currently in season far, far away.

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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 01:01 PM
Response to Reply #55
57. I'm talking about at a "regular" grocery store
they have been that price for a couple of years now.

The gas excuse is pure BS-the truckers aren't getting paid near the same as prices are going up on the shelves.
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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 01:03 PM
Response to Reply #57
59. "They" know no one can keep track of the actual breakdown in costs.
"They're" all price gouging....bastards.
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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 02:40 PM
Response to Reply #55
69. The prices fluctuate, but they're still higher than they have been in the past.
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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 12:58 PM
Response to Reply #50
56. But the keep doctors aways who are $150 an hour.
Somehow, that doesn't make me feel better.
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gollygee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 01:37 PM
Response to Original message
64. I got 5 granny smith apples for just over $4 the other day
that's all I bought and I was digging in my purse and had pulled out three dollar bills and was thinking that would pay for it. Nope. It was $4 and some change.

We're very lucky that we can, so far anyway, absorb these costs, but we are far above the median income. I have no idea how people who were struggling before are managing now. It's awful. If prices are going to keep going up so much, food stamp amounts need to go up too. From what I've read, they were too low to feed people before prices went up so much.
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Yavapai Donating Member (554 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 02:10 PM
Response to Reply #64
66. That is why we just planted 4 apple trees in our back yard..
We gonna be wealthy soon! :bounce:

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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 02:42 PM
Response to Reply #64
70. To qualify for food stamps in NH your annual income for two has to be
$1200 per month. Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah! Riiiiiight.
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 02:22 PM
Response to Original message
68. you need to find a better supermarket...
wolfgang puck soup is almost always on sale for $1-$1.25/can, and it definitely is MUCH better than "some broth and a few pieces of pasta".

our grocery bill hasn't gone up hardly at all- i ALWAYS shop for sale items, and definitely do NOT have any loyalties to any particular brands or products.
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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 02:43 PM
Response to Reply #68
71. This is N. Conway. They charge whatever they want because we're so far north.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 02:56 PM
Response to Reply #68
76. Where I live the difference between the PX and the outside shops
is down right ridiculous

Lets put it this way, I can only afford chicken at the PX any longer

In ten days it went up 100%, from six bucks or so a pound at the local store, all the way to twelve

At the PX it hovers around three

You explain that one to me... and we are not in the boonies

I don't blame folks for it, and I do understand why there is the inflation there is.
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 02:44 PM
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72. Pork Rinds are a buck a bag...
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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 02:49 PM
Response to Reply #72
75. They make lowfat jerky now, too!
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 03:33 PM
Response to Original message
79. Have you thought about growing your own?
I've been growing a great deal of my own produce for the past few years, and am putting more in this year. Yes, you have to have the time to take care of the garden, and a way to store the food(freeze, dry or can), but if you have these two things, you can grow and store enough veggies and such to last year through the year.
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Fox Mulder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 04:10 PM
Response to Original message
81. When will people finally take to the streets?
When cantalopes cost $5? $10? What would it take?

Seriously...people should be out in the streets NOW.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 12:05 AM
Response to Reply #81
98. In this country of enslaved couch potatoes? Never.
You know it and I know it. However, we can console ourselves that our populace with this mentality at this time are going to make GREAT Brownshirts, Concentration Camp Guards, and Neighborhood Spies.

The best.

Of course, much of what we collectvely become has nothing to do with us but with whatever the Bushies have planned for the Penultimate and Final Solutions gto the Liberal Problem, likely slated to kick in during the reign of Emperor Jeb or George P. Bush.

I'm guessing they are going to try very VERY hard to avoid any overt similarities to Nazi Methodologies. Though by that time, since they won't have to bother with deception when tyhis nation is 20 years more enslaved and most who remember freedom are old or dead.

So it could go any direction. Honestly, from what I have seen over the past seven years, I am convicned that there is absolutely no bottom to the atrocities that an enslaved Amerika will permit and even embrace, ESPECIALLY if the Busies hit us again like they did on 9/11 or we have an ecoinomic catastrophe.

But the Imperial Subjects of Amerika taking to the streets? Pardon me while I fall down laughing.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 04:15 PM
Response to Original message
82. If Bush has his way, expect ALL costs to hit their limits before he goes, he
will feel that much more valuable to his cronies as they become so much more wealthier. Bush to the American people; 'fuckem"
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chelaque liberal Donating Member (981 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 04:47 PM
Response to Original message
83. Why buy cantelope when it is out of season?
Of course it is expensive, it traveled all the way from Peru and it had to be picked way before it was ripe so it doesn't have any flavor.
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Matariki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 06:03 PM
Response to Original message
85. Or - we'll go back to eating local, in season food.
Instead of food that's been shipped half way around the world.
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 08:01 PM
Response to Original message
88. Welcome to Hawai'i-style sticker shock
A 16 oz can of soup is $2.19...for broth and a few pieces of pasta....and bread and milk are near $4.00.

That can of soup'll set you back three bucks out here, unless it's on special, which basically means "We'll let you have that at the actual fair price, without the paradise tax, just for this week." As for the milk, it's usually closer to $5 than $4.
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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 09:35 PM
Response to Reply #88
89. We make a whoppin' $9 per hour here in NH
What do they pay you in Hawai'i? Bet it's not enough.
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 09:42 PM
Response to Reply #89
90. Nope. We are a high-cost, low-wage environment.
With so many jobs in the notoriously low-paying hospitality industry, many have to work two jobs to get by. Many others end up moving to Vegas or someplace else on the mainland. I pay $850 to rent a small studio that was built in the '60s as a vacation rental, and that's about the best deal in town unless you want to live in a drug area or something.

I consider myself significantly underemployed as a Yale grad making in the mid- to upper $30s, but out here, that's actually not bad.
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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 10:22 PM
Response to Reply #90
92. Wow, I'm paying $750 for a 2B/2B witha mountain view.
And we have to work 2 or 3 jobs here to makes ends meet.
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Rockholm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 10:08 PM
Response to Original message
91. Clemetines went from $5.99 to $9.99 for a 5lb crate!
Please, I bought a small crate once and swore never to do it again. I had to eat all of them in 2 days before they started going bad. Never again now! What a price jump!
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 10:51 PM
Response to Reply #91
96. They're tasty little devils, for sure,
but they're sold in a crate to jack up the price. I've had the same experience. It's like buying produce at Costco for two or three people. It's bound to go bad before you can eat it, and that's a real waste.

Watch out for the perishables, and don't waste them!
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Rockholm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 09:07 AM
Response to Reply #96
107. I go to the store every day. I plan one meal out.
With our schedules, I prefer the option of deciding dinner in the afternoon or just eating out (or getting to go). It has always irritated me to buy 4-5 days worth of groceries just to have stuff go bad.
Maybe it's just me, but it seems as if food spoils quicker than it used to.
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Pierogi_Pincher Donating Member (323 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 10:36 AM
Response to Reply #107
113. I've been doing that for a few years now, too.
It's better'n buying a week's worth of food and then finding out the hub is having last minute dinner meetings or going out of town. The real thing that got me doing this was when we had that nasty ice storm in '04 (?)--I had a freezer/fridge full of food for the holidays, and we had no power for three days. EVERYTHING went in the garbage. Our insurance covered most less a deductible, but I was sick over it. Whatta waste! Never again.

P_P
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 12:17 AM
Response to Original message
99. Melons are EASY to grow.. and boy are they prolific
You'll be giving them away..just to get rid of them:)
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Nutmegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 12:28 AM
Response to Original message
100. $2.67 for store brand soup.
Use to be $4 for 2 a few weeks ago.

Juice is insane.

God damn fucking eggs.

Shopping has become depressing. God damn Bush Inc and the enablers.
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1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 12:45 AM
Response to Original message
101. soo...
cantelope is essential to your diet?

cantelope is too expensive?

don't buy cantelope...
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distantearlywarning Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 06:44 AM
Response to Reply #101
103. Thanks. That's helpful advice.
But what if food in general is essential to the OP's diet and she finds herself unable to afford any of it? What should she do then?
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gollygee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 06:50 AM
Response to Reply #101
105. A new word for you today:
EXAMPLE

Main Entry:
1example Listen to the pronunciation of 1example
Pronunciation:
\ig-ˈzam-pəl\
Function:
noun
Etymology:
Middle English, from Anglo-French essample, example, from Latin exemplum, from eximere to take out, from ex- + emere to take more at redeem
Date:
14th century

1: one that serves as a pattern to be imitated or not to be imitated <a good example> <a bad example>2: a punishment inflicted on someone as a warning to others; also : an individual so punished3: one (as an item or incident) that is representative of all of a group or type4: a parallel or closely similar case especially when serving as a precedent or model5: an instance (as a problem to be solved) serving to illustrate a rule or precept or to act as an exercise in the application of a rule
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joeystoy Donating Member (7 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 09:48 AM
Response to Reply #101
109. Finding the Best Price.... An Alien Concept?
It seems that for most Americans shopping for the best price is way too difficult. When beef is high, buy chicken. Go on the web and find the gas station on your day's route with the lowest prices. People who willingly pay top dollar for everything, while doing nothing but complain, wind up bidding up prices for the rest of us.
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 07:00 AM
Response to Original message
106. If it cost a nickel to take a George, I'd have to...
:puke:

Bush and the duck stepping GOP really has "Fixed" things...are you better off NOW, than you were 8 years ago...ask a GOPer that question, if you can still find a GOPer...
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 09:51 AM
Response to Original message
110. I was home last week and paid $21 for 4 items!
Edited on Tue May-13-08 09:52 AM by 48percenter
A loaf of cinnamon raisin bread, a jar of folger's decaf coffee, a quart of stoneyfield farms plain yogurt and medium bottle of coffee creamer.

Christ on a stick! You guys are SCREWED over there. I worry so much for my mom, she is on a fixed income, and she is scared to death. :cry:
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MaryEllen71 Donating Member (79 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 10:20 AM
Response to Original message
112. I think
The freepers probably aren't complaining about food prices because I would bet my last dollar that they are charging everything to a credit card and are probably working under the table and have more money to spend.
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