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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 05:43 PM
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The next Supreme Court nominees
One of the things Democrats wail about whenever our local panic monkeys say they can't support a given nominee is the importance of the next few appointments to the Supreme Court. Often we say that the next president may shape the make up of the court for some time to come; that the next president will make certain determinative choices in his or her appointments to the highest court in the land. Sadly, that's just not true.

Presidents Reagan & the Bushae have already determined the ideological character of the court for our generation and probably for the next. By appointing young men--primarily Catholics with established or presumptive anti-abortion credentials--as a matter of ideological policy over the past 22 years, the Court has dramatically shifted much further to the right than any could have expected a quarter of a century ago.

What's most likely to happen is that the next president will only have the power to save the Court from (or finally condemn the Court to) plunging entirely off the far end of the ideological spectrum. The next appointees will replace two of the last standing liberals (and they are liberals only by virtue of today's right-slanted jurisprudential standards). They are Ford-appointee 88 year old John Paul Stevens and 75 year old Ruth Bader Ginsberg, the latter having had some health issues over the past few years but hell bent on not retiring while a mad man was in the White House.

If a liberal president is able to replace them in the next few years, the court will remain ideologically unaltered. If John Hagee's new buddy is in office for the next four years, we may face the bitterest irony in SCOTUS history since Clarence Thomas replaced Thurgood Marshall. It is doubtful the next president will "fix" the Reagan-Bush warping of the Court.

The next oldest justices, Scalia & Kennedy, are in seemingly excellent health and, having come into office at a time when the clear understanding was "You get this honor, bub, only cause we think you got a good three decades of service in ya." Each can look foreward to at least another two, possibly three terms of good health before they start checking their cholesterol and gauging if they need to hold out through the next election. Rehnquist did this during the Clinton years, only to succomb to buyer's remorse when he observed exactly the sort of presidency he brought upon his nation. No doubt our two elder liberals have put off even considering retirement at least since the Harriet Miers fiasco.

Here's the current demographics:
Justice, age, (age at confirmation)

John Roberts, 53 (50)
John Paul Stevens, 88 (55)
Antonin Scalia, 72 (50)
Anthony Kennedy, 71 (51)
David Souter, 68 (51)
Clarence Thomas, 59 (43)

Ruth Bader Ginsburg, 75 (60)
Stephen Breyer, 69 (56)

Samuel Alito, 58 (55)

In centuries past, the Court was an honored and far less politicized institution. Appointments came more frequently because appointments came under greater considerations than "how long do you think you can hold out?" Older men got nominated and nearly half of them retired before Death came a callin'.

Today when justices get ultimate legal gig, the expectation is that they'll clutch their bench seats with a miser's hold. The ideological calcification brought into American politics by the current "Jesus Loves Me and Hates You" generation of conservatives has made each new judicial appointment a long term binary investment--are you for or against our side in the culture wars? Republicans have been quick to seize upon this reality--being the authors of it (to be fair, they would doubtlessly blame it all on activist hippie judges from the 70s, although concrete examples may be hard to come by). Each conservative, save Alito, appointed in the past 25 years has been 51 years old or younger. Thomas was a whippersnapper of 43. Fortunately they had a "job shadowing" program there back in the 90s and Scalia was able to teach him the ropes.

The kid's doing great now.

All of the kids are alright, in fact. The three youngest judges are superduper conservatives. Of the four judges bunched around the biblical allotment of three score and ten years, all are in spry health and two are lock step wingers. Only 69 year old Breyer passes for liberal. The fourth, 68 year old Souter, is standing proof of God's existence. He's still a conservative, but keeps having these pestiferous flashes of sanity right before the activist Right can carry out another hit job on the Bill of Rights.

The chance any of them will step aside to allow a new Democratic president appoint a replacement is remote--particularly the five majority justices currently serving who know they got appointed specifically for their displays of ideological rigidity. Politics for movement conservatives is war and they expect their foot troops not to surrender the field of battle. They're expected to man their stations until younger replacements arrive or until their deaths. So, don't get too optimistic about our next president turning the court back to the liberal halcyon days of the Burger Court. The damage is done; the Bill of Rights still falters at the whims of the Far Right. Unless we can ensure a decades-long liberal primacy, the highest federal court will not be a friend to progress. The best we can hope for is to contain the damage.

The cycles of history are not encouraging here. With the Religious Right holding its death grip on the Republican Party, it will fall upon Democratic presidents of the early 21st century to appoint judges who value the rule of law over ideological brownie points. The Republicans benefit today from a 40 year stretch in history in which Democrats have made only two appointments to the Republicans' collective 12. Jimmy Carter made no Supreme Court appointments. The American presidency, given the current partisan alignment, will probably waiver between Republicans and Democrats. The odds against correcting this environmental imbalance are remote.

Republicans, of course, call them "strict constructionist" judges, but in fact what they appoint are conservative activists. The only way to correct this ticking time bomb of regressive "justice" and conservative activism--with their radical agendas opposed to environmental regulations, opposed to protection of unions & workers' rights, intrusive designs on women's reproductive rights, hostility to nontraditional families, and an active disregard for the rights of the accused--is to somehow hope for a generational realignment in our national politics. That's the long term political goal we on the progressive side of the fence must work for.

The next president will appoint justices to replace liberals Stevens and Ginsberg. I don't think we can count on much more, unless Justice Breyer decides not to risk it a few years further down the road. The six conservative Republicans on the bench can certainly ride out an eight year stint under Presidents Obama or Clinton. It is the presidents who take office as these men hit their mid-80s--the ball starts rolling after 2020--who we will look to restore the balance.

That, my friends, is a long wait to wait.
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RC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 05:47 PM
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1. The problem is we don't not have any Liberals running for President.
Edited on Tue May-06-08 05:48 PM by RC
We have to wait at least four more years.

Democrat does not necessarily equal Liberal.
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 05:56 PM
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2. True, true, too true. They are, of course, liberaler than Republicans
But then again, you and I might have a hard time deciding what "liberal" means from case to case. What I lament about the conservatives on board Scotus today is their prioritizing ideology. Liberality, meaning "openness" can mean several things, but a rigidity isn't among those possiblities
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 05:58 PM
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3. Update: "McCain will seek judges like Roberts and Alito"
Reuters: "McCain will seek judges like Roberts and Alito"
http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSN0651670920080506

Carpetbagger: "When McCain loved Robert Bork"
http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/15447.html
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IntravenousDemilo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 06:03 PM
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4. IMHO, Supreme Court justices should have set terms of 10 years or age 75, whichever comes first.
And Chief Justices should sit for five years. The exception to the 10-year rule I would make would be if a SCOTUS justice had been there for more than five years and then was named Chief Justice, in which case, he or she would still sit for the full five years. But if he or she hit age 75 during that time, resignation would be required.
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Thothmes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 06:24 PM
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5. Agree, I think term limits for the Supreme Court are reasonable
Instead of appointing a Chief Justice for a fixed term, why could the nine members of the court elect one of their members to serve as the Chief Justice,
for a one or two period. Then the Chief Justice duties would rotate to one of the other members. Of course we will never get an amendment to the Constitution to make this happen.
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rpannier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 10:49 PM
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12. I think the retirement age should be whatever the federal government mandates for federal employees
If it's 70, then they retire at 70.

The difference between the SCOTUS and Congress is, Congress has to stand for election every few years.
My father was a federal judge and retired 3 years ago. Not because he had to, but because he wanted to.

Whatever age he would have had to retire at, is what age the SCOTUS should have to relinquish their seats as well.

A friend of mine had an interesting idea on getting rid of Alito and Roberts, that didn't require bloodshed. Get a Consitutional Amendment that set the Court at 7 members -- it would force the two most junior justices to relinquish their seats -- Roberts and Alito.
I pointed out, that it's unlikely that Stevens would still be on the bench at that time. But, it would still get Alito off the bench.
If a Dem is President than it would prevent him from coming back onto the Court any time soon.
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nichomachus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 09:25 AM
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21. There are serious problems with mandatory retirement
Most notable is that 70 or even 75 would be young enough to make them very desirable as corporate lobbyists. Can you imagine the money Big Tobacco or Big Pharma would be throwing at a retired Supreme Court justice to get them on their legal team. Even if that's not the case, every legal firm of any size would be salivating at the thought of getting a retired justice's name painted on the front door.

We have enough problems now with retired military officers and retired Congressmen chowing down at the public trough without adding justices to the mix.
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FreepFryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 08:01 PM
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6. The next Democratic President & Congress must stack the court, as Johnson threatened to do.
Edited on Tue May-06-08 08:06 PM by FreepFryer
The court has become patently ideological and it's past time.

WHEN a majority of Supreme Court justices adopt a manifestly ideological agenda, it plunges the court into the vortex of American politics. If the Roberts court has entered voluntarily what Justice Felix Frankfurter once called the “political thicket,” it may require a political solution to set it straight.

The framers of the Constitution did not envisage the Supreme Court as arbiter of all national issues. As Chief Justice John Marshall made clear in Marbury v. Madison, the court’s authority extends only to legal issues.

When the court overreaches, the Constitution provides checks and balances. In 1805, after persistent political activity by Justice Samuel Chase, Congress responded with its power of impeachment. Chase was acquitted, but never again did he step across the line to mingle law and politics. After the Civil War, when a Republican Congress feared the court might tamper with Reconstruction in the South, it removed those questions from the court’s appellate jurisdiction.

But the method most frequently employed to bring the court to heel has been increasing or decreasing its membership. The size of the Supreme Court is not fixed by the Constitution. It is determined by Congress.

{...}If the current five-man majority persists in thumbing its nose at popular values, the election of a Democratic president and Congress could provide a corrective. It requires only a majority vote in both houses to add a justice or two. Chief Justice John Roberts and his conservative colleagues might do well to bear in mind that the roll call of presidents who have used this option includes not just Roosevelt but also Adams, Jefferson, Jackson, Lincoln and Grant.


http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/26/opinion/26smith.html

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MiniMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 08:19 PM
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7. You should have Stevens in red too
He is 88.
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 08:37 PM
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8. Scalia and Kennedy are both in their 70s
and Souter isn't far behind. Once you get to that age your health can change suddenly - I've seen it happen with friends' parents. Or, given their ages, they may suddenly decide they need to spend more time with their familes.



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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 07:06 AM
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17. Nah. He was appointed by a Republican. He should be in the same color as Scalia.
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MiniMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 08:25 AM
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19. True, by Ford
But he is considered on the "liberal" side of this court. In other words, I think he leaves politics and personal views out of his decisions. If a neocon nominates the replacement, it will skew the court further to the right.
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MilesColtrane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 08:48 PM
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9. "panic monkeys"
LOL

Can I use that, or is it copyrighted?
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 09:31 PM
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10. You are right that the court can't be turned, but
we do not want it worse. If Stevens and Ginsberg were replaced with two forty year old Scalia clones, we would be sunk even further.
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-..__... Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 09:40 PM
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11. The SCOTUS should be untouched or guided by party poliics...
and that means any party or ideology.

Unfortunately... that is far from the reality of the nomination and appointment process.

Ideally... I would much rather see a balanced court...

1/3 liberal

1/3 conservative

1/3 moderate (with the Chief Justice being on the moderate side).

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lastliberalintexas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 10:55 PM
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13. Edith Jones
All I need to think about to get me to vote for any Dem is the idea of Jones replacing Ginsburg on the Court. And that has been the rumor for some time now, ever since she wasn't tapped as O'Connor's replacement.
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 11:17 PM
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14. There's a possibility that Scalia might quit because it doesn't pay well enough
He has 9 kids and 28 grandkids. I'd imagine he wants to leave them with something.
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drmeow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 11:24 PM
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15. Scalia will never quit
He gets off on being the most bombastic anti-American anti-Democratic fascist on the court. The power trip is almost too much for him to stand. He will NEVER EVER allow someone ideologically to the left of him onto the court if he can help it. He's only going to leave in a coffin.
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 06:28 AM
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16. Well, you know
Edited on Wed May-07-08 06:30 AM by tavalon
if God is willing to listen to that jackass of all jackasses, Pat Robertson, then perhaps he will hear my requests to bring his wonderful judges home a bit early. Heck, Scalia has the blackest heart ever seen (and Alito's is not far behind his in blackness), couldn't it also be full of plaque? And, really, how are all those old, old prostates? I'm just saying we can't assume, even with the best healthcare, that these old men will live to 90.


Edited to add: Let's not forget that Scalia likes to duck hunt with, of all people, Cheney. That alone puts him at very high risk of an early, untimely leave. }(
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 07:48 AM
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18. Yes -- and it could get a LOT worse if McCain wins
Kennedy is not as bad as the other 4. He wrote the opinion essentially saying that Bush was a war criminal for his violations of the Geneva Convention with respect to treatment of prisoners. So at least he represents some balance on the court. But if Ginsburg or Stevens are replaced with someone of the caliber of the other four, all hell will break loose. John Dean believes that one more appointment along the lines of a Scalia, Roberts, Thomas or Alito would result in the following:

 The overturning of Roe v. Wade
 The total extinction of affirmative action
 The enabling of our states to overturn (page 68) our entire Bill of Rights without federal interference
 Radical curtailing of civil rights for women, homosexuals, and minority racial groups
 The declaring of environmental protection laws to be unconstitutional
 The widespread disappearance of habeas corpus
 The virtual creation of Christianity as a national religion
 The Dismantling of the Voting Rights Act of 1965
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 08:39 AM
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20. Why 60 Democrats In The Senate Matter
I'm hopeful that Huggy Bear runs out of gas and he and his party implodes this Fall...but it can't be emphasized enough about what his election would mean. IMHO this was one issue Kerry really dropped the ball on in '04 and has to be an issue in this election...both nationally and on the state level.

Not only do we need a Democratic President to nominate moderate and liberal judges to the court (I expect Stevens will retire and Ginsburg also is in poor health) but also 60 Democratic Senators to make sure the nominee is confirmed without GOOP hijinks. This means a pick up of 10 seats...a tall order, but with a lot of good candidates out there this year...it can happen.
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satya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 09:34 AM
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22. Increase the number of justices (see post #6) ... and appoint Hillary Clinton.
Edited on Wed May-07-08 09:40 AM by satya
Edited to add: a very thoughtful and well-written post -- thanks!

:toast:
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